50 year anniversary of the March on Washington. Dr Martin Luther King's dream, how much of it has co

Methodical Management said:
Obviously the centrality of the "I Have a Dream" speech within Dr. King's legacy has proven quite problematic, as its popular interpretation has focused on what Dr. King would describe as that false peace which is the absence of tension as opposed to a positive peace, which is the presence of justice. 

Far, far too many people tend to take this speech out of context, which was a March on Washington for Jobs and Equality, and conceptualize it as some distant ideal, an end disembodied from its means.  

Not enough attention is paid to King's final years.  Though there's no way to know for certain how he'd feel about America in 2013, perhaps the best clue comes from his Christmas Sermon on peace in 1967: 


I urge everyone to read (or re-read) this sermon in its entirety:  
http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/christmas-sermon#
 
Dr. King's message of nonviolence, hope, interdependence, and justice was a timely one in 1967, and it's a timely one in 2013.  
 
Whether we share the same spiritual beliefs as Dr. King or not, we'd all do well to share his sense of love and compassion, as well as his unwavering dedication to peace and equality.  


"Part of King's dream" involved being judged based on the content of your character, meaning, in part, that ONE person's actions, sponsored by and sold to an American public with an seemingly insatiable appetite for minstrelsy and racist stereotype, would not be used to defame or DEFINE an entire race or ethnicity.

It is telling that people do not view Breaking Bad, Dexter, or Jackass as an indictment of "White culture", and proof positive that Whites celebrate criminality and revel in ignorance.  


I'm tired of your racist trolling.  Your recent post history is a disgrace.  

I find it sad indeed that you're so desperate for attention that you don't seem to care whether it's positive or negative so long as your existence is acknowledge and your impact is felt.  A troll has the mentality of a flea.  Do better.


Good timing.  They just completed the repairs yesterday to remove the erroneous quote.  Personally, I think you should consider checking it out in the daytime, too.  


Some monuments seem best appreciated during moments of quiet personal reflection.  With this one, I feel like you want to experience it with strangers.  You want to walk through the mountain of despair with people you've never met before.  You want to appreciate the diversity of the crowd assembled in front of Dr. King's image, smiling, talking, taking pictures, and reading his words.  If you go there alone at night, you're going to get a different feeling from it.  It's more powerful and uplifting, to me, as a gathering place.  For every kid staring at a cell phone or snapping a selfie, you'll find at least two people who are legitimately moved by the experience and no matter how many times I pass through, seeing their reactions allows me to enjoy the monument anew.
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Yeah it will probably happen. Surprisingly there are usually a good amount of people out there at night especially in the summer. the way the lights display it just seems so much more cooler. We will probably do both however.
 
Sort of a sidenote: but someone should look into the 4th or so (depending on if more comments are added) comment on this video. Better safe then sorry smh
 
The Nomad said:
This, I don't think people realize he took a fatal bullet to the neck to make ALL OF MODERN DAY African-American culture possible. Jordans, sports, movie, film, education, business, and anything else that involves us living free and being treated somewhat fair in this country. I owe it to that man to die leaving behind something great as he did. Anything less is unacceptable.

For anybody to speak ill of King in the slightest, makes them an idiot and worthless to society. 
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Yes and no. As far as AA culture being possible...it was already integrated well before his speech. It was used against AA and exploited for fiscal gain, and after his speech it still is. Ppl will say oh if it wasn't for the king there wouldn't be a p.diddy, a jay z etc... but ppl act as if there wasn't a berry gordy. Ppl say there wouldn't be a oprah winfrey, but there was a Hannah Elias (first multi-millionaire in America, who was a black woman btw.) Or a Madam CJ Walker.

Not to discredit anything he did, but many of the examples you and many list, where already going on, and AA already had. Its just the whole social network, media change of times makes heightens more awareness, and make the info more accessible.

If you look at the key/core elements, in a sense AA have regressed. Black business ownership is waaaaaaaaaaaay down, while kids out of wedlock, incarceration rates have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay up. Marriage is almost non-existent, and fatherless homes has increased 6 times fold. College degrees have only slightly improved, while high school dropout rates have almost doubled. STD's etc have massively increased.

Even if you look at entertainment. The quality and integrity has decreased substantially. You could make an argument AA culture is more acceptable, but in most part its acceptable because most of the other cultures who accept it, benefit from it financially. And even then its still not accepted in the working/corporate setting.

Ppl say oh well things like Emitt Till etc... but we still have isolated incidents like this in trayvon martin and Oscar grant. And as far as segregation goes, the visual signage of segregation and laws, have been replaced with mental segregation, and income bracket...ala this club, business excludes by income bracket.

To be honest its more the same, more the difference. The game remains the same, only difference is the ppl playing it, and their approach and how they play the game.

Physical barriers have been replaced with mental and financial ones. Verbal hatred has been replaced with social media.

I respect and applaud his efforts along with others, but honestly in essence, all he did was make the powers that be etc... gameplan change, and go about doing the same ole same ole a different way.
 
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Yes and no. As far as AA culture being possible...it was already integrated well before his speech. It was used against AA and exploited for fiscal gain, and after his speech it still is. Ppl will say oh if it wasn't for the king there wouldn't be a p.diddy, a jay z etc... but ppl act as if there wasn't a berry gordy. Ppl say there wouldn't be a oprah winfrey, but there was a Haonnah Elias (first multi-millionaire in America, who was a black woman btw.) Or a Madam CJ Walker.

Not to discredit anything he did, but many of the examples you and many list, where already going on, and AA already had. Its just the whole social network, media change of times makes heightens more awareness, and make the info more accessible.

If you look at the key/core elements, in a sense AA have regressed. Black business ownership is waaaaaaaaaaaay down, while kids out of wedlock, incarceration rates have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay up. Marriage is almost non-existent, and fatherless homes has increased 6 times fold. College degrees have only slightly improved, while high school dropout rates have almost doubled. STD's etc have massively increased.

Even if you look at entertainment. The quality and integrity has decreased substantially. You could make an argument AA culture is more acceptable, but in most part its acceptable because most of the other cultures who accept it, benefit from it financially. And even then its still not accepted in the working/corporate setting.

Ppl say oh well things like Emitt Till etc... but we still have isolated incidents like this in trayvon martin and Oscar grant. And as far as segregation goes, the visual signage of segregation and laws, have been replaced with mental segregation, and income bracket...ala this club, business excludes by income bracket.

To be honest its more the same, more the difference. The game remains the same, only difference is the ppl playing it, and their approach and how they play the game.

Physical barriers have been replaced with mental and financial ones. Verbal hatred has been replaced with social media.

I respect and applaud his efforts along with others, but honestly in essence, all he did was make the powers that be etc... gameplan change, and go about doing the same ole same ole a different way.
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Real Spit.

I stand by my statement of high stress levels.
 
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"Part of King's dream" involved being judged based on the content of your character, meaning, in part, that ONE person's actions, sponsored by and sold to an American public with an seemingly insatiable appetite for minstrelsy and racist stereotype, would not be used to defame or DEFINE an entire race or ethnicity.

It is telling that people do not view Breaking Bad, Dexter, or Jackass as an indictment of "White culture", and proof positive that Whites celebrate criminality and revel in ignorance.
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Although this sounds and looks like an egalitarian ideal. This is false and a misinterpretation of the message. Black inferiority is so widely accepted that liberals actual pacify black failure and attribute it to racism of the past. 

Criminality and IGNORANCE as we know it exists on every level of human consciousness, slavery was WRONG, and outlawed, yet owners still smuggled slaves into the U.S.
Throughout history, there hasn't really been a campaign to destroy someone's character quite like America's black inferiority campaign. We were advertised as "Sambos", "monkeys" or ape-like, infantile, servile without provocation and unintelligent. 

Regardless of it all anyone who comes to America or grows up here wanting to be successful, they will aspire to emulate "white culture", so therefore white entertainment isn't labeled "white entertainment". It's already a hegemonic and universally accepted force of influence.

This is especially evident in entertainment. A highly INTELLIGENT black doesn't make for good entertainment for most non-blacks because it's a very probable reality.  There isn't anything too funny about a black who can possibly take your job, house and wife ...or LEAD his people toward obtaining KNOWLEDGE and POWER.



 
The Nomad said:
How much of Dr King's dream has come true? Did he die and countless others die in vain? Is A$AP Ferg's "Shabba Ranks" part of King's dream? How will you spend August 28th?
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The "Dream" has come true and I am a living representation of it. Thanks the support of both Black and White Americans during the Civil Rights Movement, I have opportunities that my parents and generations before them could only dream of, and I have taken advantage of those opportunities.
 
Supermanblue79 said:
The "Dream" has come true and I am a living representation of it. Thanks the support of both Black and White Americans during the Civil Rights Movement, I have opportunities that my parents and generations before them could only dream of, and I have taken advantage of those opportunities.
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Supermanblue79 said:
The "Dream" has come true and I am a living representation of it. Thanks the support of both Black and White Americans during the Civil Rights Movement, I have opportunities that my parents and generations before them could only dream of, and I have taken advantage of those opportunities.
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Such as.....
 
shoelyesses said:
Yes and no. As far as AA culture being possible...it was already integrated well before his speech. It was used against AA and exploited for fiscal gain, and after his speech it still is. Ppl will say oh if it wasn't for the king there wouldn't be a p.diddy, a jay z etc... but ppl act as if there wasn't a berry gordy. Ppl say there wouldn't be a oprah winfrey, but there was a Hannah Elias (first multi-millionaire in America, who was a black woman btw.) Or a Madam CJ Walker.

Not to discredit anything he did, but many of the examples you and many list, where already going on, and AA already had. Its just the whole social network, media change of times makes heightens more awareness, and make the info more accessible.

If you look at the key/core elements, in a sense AA have regressed. Black business ownership is waaaaaaaaaaaay down, while kids out of wedlock, incarceration rates have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay up. Marriage is almost non-existent, and fatherless homes has increased 6 times fold. College degrees have only slightly improved, while high school dropout rates have almost doubled. STD's etc have massively increased.

Even if you look at entertainment. The quality and integrity has decreased substantially. You could make an argument AA culture is more acceptable, but in most part its acceptable because most of the other cultures who accept it, benefit from it financially. And even then its still not accepted in the working/corporate setting.

Ppl say oh well things like Emitt Till etc... but we still have isolated incidents like this in trayvon martin and Oscar grant. And as far as segregation goes, the visual signage of segregation and laws, have been replaced with mental segregation, and income bracket...ala this club, business excludes by income bracket.

To be honest its more the same, more the difference. The game remains the same, only difference is the ppl playing it, and their approach and how they play the game.

Physical barriers have been replaced with mental and financial ones. Verbal hatred has been replaced with social media.

I respect and applaud his efforts along with others, but honestly in essence, all he did was make the powers that be etc... gameplan change, and go about doing the same ole same ole a different way.
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Supermanblue79 said:
...such as the equal rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Ppl had those before....and that is so vague and subjective. Considering many ppl of color are denied these assets, be it from systematic slavery, unfair law practices, despairingly differences in social/economic class, and being victims to product of their environments, to which powers that be have orchestrated and founded solely to deny the vary examples you have given.

Like I said early, granted things aren't so boisterous and in your face as it was in generations of the past, but just because something is covert, and inconspicuous doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The only thing that has changed tbh, is AA obsession for materialistic wealth, and the acquisition of monetary valued goods. So if you call buying/leasing more expensive depreciating assets such as cars, clothes, electronics improvement then maybe your right. If wasting more disposable income on trinkets, and meaningless possessions, and pumping more resources, money, time etc.... in other races community, and building and maintaining other races level of wealth and comfort is a sign of improvement then...yes martin speech/dream/ideology has moved AA in the right direction.
 
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Although this sounds and looks like an egalitarian ideal. This is false and a misinterpretation of the message. Black inferiority is so widely accepted that liberals actual pacify black failure and attribute it to racism of the past. 

Black inferiority is so widely accepted that liberals actual pacify black failure and attribute it to racism of the past. 

Criminality and IGNORANCE as we know it exists on every level of human consciousness, slavery was WRONG, and outlawed, yet owners still smuggled slaves into the U.S.

Throughout history, there hasn't really been a campaign to destroy someone's character quite like America's black inferiority campaign. We were advertised as "Sambos", "monkeys" or ape-like, infantile, servile without provocation and unintelligent.
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Pick a position.  You're the who stepped in here trying to bring up a music video like Bill O'Reilly, as though that's the cause of all social ills.

I referred to it as minstrelsy and cited America's appetite for racist denigration, calling out the hypocrisy of America's treatment of the Sopranos and Goodfellas compared to so-called "gangsta rap," etc. 

Then you step in and say - in the same breath - "liberals attribute Black inferiority to racism of the past" and "throughout history, there hasn't really been a campaign to destroy someone's character quite like America's black inferiority campaign."  

Is it "liberal" to suggest that this campaign persists in the present day?  Is it a "misinterpretation" to suggest that evaluating people for the content of their character implies that one stupid music video does NOT represent Black America any more than Eminem rapping about killing his wife represents Whites?  

It's unfortunate that you somehow see Viacom's promotion of a stupid music video as some sort of systemic "black failure," as opposed to a reflection of the enduring mass market demand for familiar stereotypes and minstrelsy. 
 
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Ppl had those before....and that is so vague and subjective. Considering many ppl of color are denied these assets, be it from systematic slavery, unfair law practices, despairingly differences in social/economic class, and being victims to product of their environments, to which powers that be have orchestrated and founded solely to deny the vary examples you have given.

Like I said early, granted things aren't so boisterous and in your face as it was in generations of the past, but just because something is covert, and inconspicuous doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The only thing that has changed tbh, is AA obsession for materialistic wealth, and the acquisition of monetary valued goods. So if you call buying/leasing more expensive depreciating assets such as cars, clothes, electronics improvement then maybe your right. If wasting more disposable income on trinkets, and meaningless possessions, and pumping more resources, money, time etc.... in other races community, and building and maintaining other races level of wealth and comfort is a sign of improvement then...yes martin speech/dream/ideology has moved AA in the right direction.
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This has nothing to do with the acquisition of material things. This has everything to do with the equal rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which no law can deny me.

If you want to focus on the covert mission to hold you back instead of taking advantage of the opportunities that the Civil Rights Movement has granted you, thats your own decision.
 
Supermanblue79 said:
This has nothing to do with the acquisition of material things. This has everything to do with the equal rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which no law can deny me.

If you want to focus on the covert mission to hold you back instead of taking advantage of the opportunities that the Civil Rights Movement has granted you, thats your own decision.
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Never said it did the question was how his speech has moved and changed the state of AA.... As far as what your claiming...ppl had those things BEFORE MLK...And he wasn't the only one who contributed to the aforementioned. Like I said laws may not deny you..(and even that is questionable) there are other factors which were mentioned that effectively do the same thing as those "laws" you have eluded that MLK eradicated. As far as focusing on those factors...whether you focus or ignore them...or sweep them under the rug...they are a in your face reality for many AA... just because it does not apply to you...it is irresponsible to say it doesn't apply to others.
 
shoelyesses said:
Never said it did the question was how his speech has moved and changed the state of AA.... As far as what your claiming...ppl had those things BEFORE MLK...And he wasn't the only one who contributed to the aforementioned. Like I said laws may not deny you..(and even that is questionable) there are other factors which were mentioned that effectively do the same thing as those "laws" you have eluded that MLK eradicated. As far as focusing on those factors...whether you focus or ignore them...or sweep them under the rug...they are a in your face reality for many AA... just because it does not apply to you...it is irresponsible to say it doesn't apply to others.
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stop it. At the end of the day, the efforts of MLK and others have given Black Americans an equal playing field with the same basic rights as any other American. It's an individual choice to take advantage of it.
 
Supermanblue79 said:
stop it. At the end of the day, the efforts of MLK and others have given Black Americans an equal playing field with the same basic rights as any other American. It's an individual choice to take advantage of it.
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But it isn't a equal playing field.... Not all AA or minorities for that matter have the same windows of opportunities, as others.... I do alright im slef employed...OWN a home and live a pretty decent life...but im not oblivious nor do I take a blind eye approach to the fact we don't live in some utopian colorless, non discriminatory world.

Hell to be honest many AA rise above, overcome hurdles at the expense of compromising their integrity, values, heritage, and assimilate/integrate mold themselves to what is deemed "acceptable" to reach higher plains, whereas their white counterparts have not. And as stated earlier many AA did this before MLK, and many have done it after....

And not to mention many of these so called unalienable rights aren't even enforced for many AA, hell many minorities. It is irresponsible, and disingenuous to take your own personal views, aspects and avenues and say well I was the exception...therefore all are... Or since I took x or y route everyone else can and the same results as mines shall follow.
 
Supermanblue79 said:
The "Dream" has come true and I am a living representation of it. Thanks the support of both Black and White Americans during the Civil Rights Movement, I have opportunities that my parents and generations before them could only dream of, and I have taken advantage of those opportunities.
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But those opportunities again existed then.. As I stated before. The amount of AA in college is roughly the same, the percentage of AA in reference to economic/income brackets is virtually the same, the amount of AA in perceived privileged aka ivy league schools are basically the same. What has changed is less ownership/entrepreneurship... support....money/time invested in AA communities...hell a decrease in AA communities (ties into the whole "integrate" aspect). Incarceration, health complications, quality of education/medical care, life expectancy, marriage and/or balanced/stable home structure, and the community ala it takes a village to raise etc... have all changed for the worse.

So this whole its waaaaaaaaaay more opportunities aspect is a false ideology in a sense... Those opportunities where available then...its just for a myriad of reasons many AA did not impart with them...be it social/economic reasons...Same as it is today.

Its almost as if your eluding to all AA wanted to strive, grow move forward and become greater then, but laws, society, people etc... held them back. But now the only reason is AA aren't simply "trying" or are lazy, lack motivation etc.... which all is true in some parts but not all same way it was true for some AA not all in past generations.

To say well the reason for AA being in the state they were in back in the day was because of laws etc.... and now everything is all equal/fair and now the only reason is because of lack of drive, or simply put being sorry is just not true. I promise you every AA who has faced hardships, troubles struggles etc... in our current society....isn't because of lack of effort, or just cause they choose or want to be in the position/predicament they are currently in. There are other factors many factors that contribute to this.... Only difference is now it isn't as blatant, brash and upfront and forward as it was before the efforts of the panthers, civil right movement participants, and equal opportunity activist.
 
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But it isn't a equal playing field.... Not all AA or minorities for that matter have the same windows of opportunities, as others.... I do alright im slef employed...OWN a home and live a pretty decent life...but im not oblivious nor do I take a blind eye approach to the fact we don't live in some utopian colorless, non discriminatory world.

Hell to be honest many AA rise above, overcome hurdles at the expense of compromising their integrity, values, heritage, and assimilate/integrate mold themselves to what is deemed "acceptable" to reach higher plains, whereas their white counterparts have not. And as stated earlier many AA did this before MLK, and many have done it after....

And not to mention many of these so called unalienable rights aren't even enforced for many AA, hell many minorities. It is irresponsible, and disingenuous to take your own personal views, aspects and avenues and say well I was the exception...therefore all are... Or since I took x or y route everyone else can and the same results as mines shall follow.
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The only irresponsible action is to dwell on the things that you cannot control and to use them as a crutch. Even in all your success you refuse to put the crutch away and stand on your own two feet. Im very aware of the challenges that Black America faces, but it's not my focus. My focus is on what I can do to build on the accomplishments of the generation that paved the way for me. That decision is my own responsibility.
 
Methodical Management said:
Pick a position.  You're the who stepped in here trying to bring up a music video like Bill O'Reilly, as though that's the cause of all social ills.

I referred to it as minstrelsy and cited America's appetite for racist denigration, calling out the hypocrisy of America's treatment of the Sopranos and Goodfellas compared to so-called "gangsta rap," etc. 

Then you step in and say - in the same breath - "liberals attribute Black inferiority to racism of the past" and "throughout history, there hasn't really been a campaign to destroy someone's character quite like America's black inferiority campaign."  

Is it "liberal" to suggest that this campaign persists in the present day?  Is it a "misinterpretation" to suggest that evaluating people for the content of their character implies that one stupid music video does NOT represent Black America any more than Eminem rapping about killing his wife represents Whites?  

It's unfortunate that you somehow see Viacom's promotion of a stupid music video as some sort of systemic "black failure," as opposed to a reflection of the enduring mass market demand for familiar stereotypes and minstrelsy. 
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Method Man, I'm curious, have you ever tried to see things outside of the box? Think about Trayvon Martin's demise. Where in the "white media", Rachel Jeantel was compared to Precious, a film which depicted "black life" in the 80's. Precious received many "white media" awards including an Academy Award. How in "white media" and political analyst TV panels did that comparison be made to a fictional illiterate character? Especially in a case as sensitive as a racially charged murder trial seeking justice for a black Florida teen?

Not only Jeantel, but Trayvon himself was referred to as a "pot smoking thug with gold teeth" a number of times. "One stupid music video"? Was Trayvon evaluated on the "content of his character" or was "Hip-Hop" brought into questioning a few times? 

The problem might be, that you're not understanding that African-Americans are so segregated on an interpersonal level that we're viewed as one dimensional. It's the basis for many comedy sketches including Dave Chappelle's, who actually suffered a nervous breakdown when he finally arrived at this realization. 

Have you ever looked at Jay-Z's and Obama's peculiar relationship? Obama adopted Jay-Z so that he can express to America that young black men are part of this country too. That symbolism did more harm than good, Jay-Z is a petty drug dealer turned rapper who presents the image to the disadvantaged that he's something more.

This thesis proved true when he released "Open Letter", which expressed hurt over what he felt was betrayal and disrespect. Obama is only 8 years older than Jay-Z. 
His "New Rules" campaign and disrespect for his elders exposed Jay-Z's inferior intellect and infantile psyche when compared to his peers. Harry Belafonte in particular who was larger than Jay-Z in his era and sacrificed his career in entertainment to fight for Civil Right. Belafonte was front lines with Martin Luther King and "white media's" biggest stars like Marlon Brando. 

Hip-Hop has always been young and rebellious, it's also been accepting to anyone regardless of race. However it's also been a conation to associate its negative qualities to the African-American community and use it as a basis for argument. So when you try to view African-Americans as individuals, hip-hop, just like jazz and R&B have always been hegemonic pillars in black culture that bridges us to mainstream America — our culture is one big mass to non-blacks.

There are numerous books from noted authors and scholars that argue this very claim. 
 
Supermanblue79 said:
The only irresponsible action is to dwell on the things that you cannot control and to use them as a crutch. Even in all your success you refuse to put the crutch away and stand on your own two feet. Im very aware of the challenges that Black America faces, but it's not my focus. My focus is on what I can do to build on the accomplishments of the generation that paved the way for me. That decision is my own responsibility.
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But to say any and all who haven't achieved this...simply aren't trying or CHOOSE to be in this position is false. And it isn't dwelling it is acknowledging and understanding there is a difference. I acknowledge there is a double standard in reference to domestic violence.... just because I know it exist and am fully aware of it DOES not mean I dwell on it.

Key example and meth actually posted this a few years back... There was several incidents...to which the fair housing authorities were blatantly discriminating against ppl based on their names...and general area in which they lived... They essentially were taking names which seemed AA, and areas in which were predominantly AA... And all across the board denying home loans, home modification loans, bailouts etc... despite their white counterparts with less credibility and less stability being approved. I read the articles... looked into it etc...and found it as well as many others to be true. Was that us "dwelling" on it... or looking for a crutch? No it was something that was factually occurring. So by your own words those ppl all lost their homes etc... not because there was some unequal racial bias motives...but because they simply didn't "try" hard enough or they refuse to stand on their own two feet.

Or lets look at a study conducted a few years back that overwhelmingly showed that despite being equally qualified, or even more qualified then their white counterparts many AA were denied these jobs or hell not even giving the opportunity to interview for these jobs simply because of there names sounding to "urban" or based on where they were from ala grew up in the hood etc.... So according to you all those ppl didn't "try" were lazy...etc...

The mere fact that whites culture, mannerisms, etc....is virtually accepted any and everywhere and AA and many other minorities is restricted to the confinements of their community...or in mainstream to which whites can use to exploit, depict, derogate/mock, negative generalize and use for financial gains shows your idea is false.

So I guess incidents like Oscar, Trayvon, Kathyrn Johnston... so on and so forth... to examine and see the injustices is us "dwelling" and to speak on it is *****ing using a crutch. Its more of not having a blind eye, acknowledging the ills, the wrong doings and voicing out about it.

Or how about 3 years ago when the Pennsylvania water park had a signed...while didn't say no blacks... a signage saying ppl with unkept, kinky non str8 hair clearly wasn't meant to exclude Koreans... I guess acknowledging that was "dwelling" or placing blame as well.

Even on a personal note...many moons ago I had a friend...whose white had no experience etc... got a job at American eagle while another AA with much experience wasn't even considered. I guess he was "dwelling" or he really didn't want to work.... and it was all some convoluted, rouse to appear to want to work and be employed. He really didn't want to work.... and his race had nothing to do with it (despite them yrs later settling for an undisclosed amount for racial discrimination) So to speak out on it and acknowledging this was all some sort of clutch.

I say all this to say while it may have not happen personally, it still happens and exist. And to say things such as lack of effort, using a crutch...using excuses... etc, is false. Not everyone has the same opportunities, advantages, etc as others. Thing is most of these opportunities so on and so forth are favorable for whites, and less then favorable for AA, in particular AA males.
 
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But to say any and all who haven't achieved this...simply aren't trying or CHOOSE to be in this position is false. And it isn't dwelling it is acknowledging and understanding there is a difference. I acknowledge there is a double standard in reference to domestic violence.... just because I know it exist and am fully aware of it DOES not mean I dwell on it.

Key example and meth actually posted this a few years back... There was several incidents...to which the fair housing authorities were blatantly discriminating against ppl based on their names...and general area in which they lived... They essentially were taking names which seemed AA, and areas in which were predominantly AA... And all across the board denying home loans, home modification loans, bailouts etc... despite their white counterparts with less credibility and less stability being approved. I read the articles... looked into it etc...and found it as well as many others to be true. Was that us "dwelling" on it... or looking for a crutch? No it was something that was factually occurring. So by your own words those ppl all lost their homes etc... not because there was some unequal racial bias motives...but because they simply didn't "try" hard enough or they refuse to stand on their own two feet.

Or lets look at a study conducted a few years back that overwhelmingly showed that despite being equally qualified, or even more qualified then their white counterparts many AA were denied these jobs or hell not even giving the opportunity to interview for these jobs simply because of there names sounding to "urban" or based on where they were from ala grew up in the hood etc.... So according to you all those ppl didn't "try" were lazy...etc...

The mere fact that whites culture, mannerisms, etc....is virtually accepted any and everywhere and AA and many other minorities is restricted to the confinements of their community...or in mainstream to which whites can use to exploit, depict, derogate/mock, negative generalize and use for financial gains shows your idea is false.

So I guess incidents like Oscar, Trayvon, Kathyrn Johnston... so on and so forth... to examine and see the injustices is us "dwelling" and to speak on it is *****ing using a crutch. Its more of not having a blind eye, acknowledging the ills, the wrong doings and voicing out about it.

Or how about 3 years ago when the Pennsylvania water park had a signed...while didn't say no blacks... a signage saying ppl with unkept, kinky non str8 hair clearly wasn't meant to exclude Koreans... I guess acknowledging that was "dwelling" or placing blame as well.

Even on a personal note...many moons ago I had a friend...whose white had no experience etc... got a job at American eagle while another AA with much experience wasn't even considered. I guess he was "dwelling" or he really didn't want to work.... and it was all some convoluted, rouse to appear to want to work and be employed. He really didn't want to work.... and his race had nothing to do with it (despite them yrs later settling for an undisclosed amount for racial discrimination) So to speak out on it and acknowledging this was all some sort of clutch.

I say all this to say while it may have not happen personally, it still happens and exist. And to say things such as lack of effort, using a crutch...using excuses... etc, is false. Not everyone has the same opportunities, advantages, etc as others. Thing is most of these opportunities so on and so forth are favorable for whites, and less then favorable for AA, in particular AA males.
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But to say any and all who haven't achieved this...simply aren't trying or CHOOSE to be in this position is false. And it isn't dwelling it is acknowledging and understanding there is a difference. I acknowledge there is a double standard in reference to domestic violence.... just because I know it exist and am fully aware of it DOES not mean I dwell on it.

Key example and meth actually posted this a few years back... There was several incidents...to which the fair housing authorities were blatantly discriminating against ppl based on their names...and general area in which they lived... They essentially were taking names which seemed AA, and areas in which were predominantly AA... And all across the board denying home loans, home modification loans, bailouts etc... despite their white counterparts with less credibility and less stability being approved. I read the articles... looked into it etc...and found it as well as many others to be true. Was that us "dwelling" on it... or looking for a crutch? No it was something that was factually occurring. So by your own words those ppl all lost their homes etc... not because there was some unequal racial bias motives...but because they simply didn't "try" hard enough or they refuse to stand on their own two feet.

Or lets look at a study conducted a few years back that overwhelmingly showed that despite being equally qualified, or even more qualified then their white counterparts many AA were denied these jobs or hell not even giving the opportunity to interview for these jobs simply because of there names sounding to "urban" or based on where they were from ala grew up in the hood etc.... So according to you all those ppl didn't "try" were lazy...etc...

The mere fact that whites culture, mannerisms, etc....is virtually accepted any and everywhere and AA and many other minorities is restricted to the confinements of their community...or in mainstream to which whites can use to exploit, depict, derogate/mock, negative generalize and use for financial gains shows your idea is false.

So I guess incidents like Oscar, Trayvon, Kathyrn Johnston... so on and so forth... to examine and see the injustices is us "dwelling" and to speak on it is *****ing using a crutch. Its more of not having a blind eye, acknowledging the ills, the wrong doings and voicing out about it.

Or how about 3 years ago when the Pennsylvania water park had a signed...while didn't say no blacks... a signage saying ppl with unkept, kinky non str8 hair clearly wasn't meant to exclude Koreans... I guess acknowledging that was "dwelling" or placing blame as well.

Even on a personal note...many moons ago I had a friend...whose white had no experience etc... got a job at American eagle while another AA with much experience wasn't even considered. I guess he was "dwelling" or he really didn't want to work.... and it was all some convoluted, rouse to appear to want to work and be employed. He really didn't want to work.... and his race had nothing to do with it (despite them yrs later settling for an undisclosed amount for racial discrimination) So to speak out on it and acknowledging this was all some sort of clutch.

I say all this to say while it may have not happen personally, it still happens and exist. And to say things such as lack of effort, using a crutch...using excuses... etc, is false. Not everyone has the same opportunities, advantages, etc as others. Thing is most of these opportunities so on and so forth are favorable for whites, and less then favorable for AA, in particular AA males.
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...and the discrimination will continue. The choice for each individual is one of the following: "Are you going to focus on what's being done to you, or work than much harder to overcome it?"
 
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