Boardwalk Empire Season 5 Thread - Series Finale - Eldorado

[hand2handking]

no im laughing because of the part when they showed her the signatures and basically terminated her employment/informed her of the legal repercussions

nucky was being facetious when he "complimented" her business saavy, thats why right after he said she should have gotten a percentage

the whole time he was amusing himself watching margaret try every ploy (trying to make him jealous with kennedy, guilt tripping him over the past, 

i wasnt saying margaret was solely respsonsible and led directly to the crash, but she and people like her doing shady business like that is what led to it all the same.  like theyre using margaret's character to illustrate how the crash happened and her story is just representative of the things that were going on at the time.

if its margaret's deal that has nothing to do with nucky, then why do they together have to "figure out a solution?"  the only reason is because AR's wife has LEGAL recourse to sue margaret for her criminal involvement. her signatures at the company are evidence.  if she sues margaret, since she and nucky are still technically married, the lawsuit would become his problem.  as far as draggin his name thru the paper = blackmail, um the only way his name gets in the paper is with the lawsuit, not just AR's wife in the street calling nucky a cheat.

she ******* up approaching AR wife thinking that innocent act was going to work, but AR's wife saw her for exactly she what she was.  its not making up my own story its called watching and interpreting things differently.  where you see it was a credit to margaret that she was able to get an apt of AR, I (and nucky) see it as AR taking advantage of her naivety.  how much money do you think he made off her information compared to giving her that apt?  not to mention that she took all the risk, as that was the reason he had a fake name, to protect himself.  

like how are you calling AR wife a blackmailer when margaret was complicit in the theft of her dead husbands money?

edit: and she kept prodding him the whole time, asking him what does he mean, and callin him a ******* when he wouldnt come out and say it for her

 

[Brownstone]

Chalky about to come from nothing. Twice. That's my *****

"I get the feeling my boss doesn't like me very much" Classic line

 

[Master Zik]

i wasnt saying margaret was solely respsonsible and led directly to the crash, but she and people like her doing shady business like that is what led to it all the same.  like theyre using margaret's character to illustrate how the crash happened and her story is just representative of the things that were going on at the time.

People like her do shady ****? Sure but I'll say again Margaret and her job and what she specifically did along with AR had nothing to do with the crash. NOTHING.

Furthermore, she had nothing to do with what her boss was doing which wasn't necessarily the same thing AR was doing with the info. If anything you could point to her boss who committed suicide as one of those guys that led to the crash cuz that's exactly what dudes like him were doing when it was going down.

if its margaret's deal that has nothing to do with nucky, then why do they together have to "figure out a solution?"

They don't.

She came to Nucky. Told him the situation. Tried to phrase the situation in a way in which he would be harmed by it as well. Nucky straight up said it right there. One of us has a solution. It's not that complicated.

the only reason is because AR's wife has LEGAL recourse to sue margaret for her criminal involvement. her signatures at the company are evidence.

Again she's not suing anybody. It doesn't matter if she has legal recourse. She blackmailed Margaret. I'm not sure why you're stuck on somebody being sued when that's not even the threat she made. She just made the threat of revealing her in order to get paid 100k since AR left her nothing. This has nothing to do with a criminal facing justice. This is outright clear as day blackmail.

 if she sues margaret, since she and nucky are still technically married, the lawsuit would become his problem.  as far as draggin his name thru the paper = blackmail, um the only way his name gets in the paper is with the lawsuit, not just AR's wife in the street calling nucky a cheat.

I don't know why you think AR's wife could sue Margaret for illegal money made. The only actual threat is her going to the papers and making this public just like it was for her when AR died and his money got all tied up. That's not a real threat to Nucky. It did get Margaret shook though, hence why she came to Nucky in the first place.

Think of it basically like this had they been divorced or if Margaret simply lied and said she divorced Nucky years ago this blackmail plan wouldn't have went anywhere since Margaret doesn't have the money. There would be no suing involved. What would she sue her for exactly? Replay the ep and see what she says. She thinks she's some chick that's Nuck's wife that AR was smashing that was doing something shady with AR at first.

she ******* up approaching AR wife thinking that innocent act was going to work, but AR's wife saw her for exactly she what she was.  its not making up my own story its called watching and interpreting things differently.  where you see it was a credit to margaret that she was able to get an apt of AR, I (and nucky) see it as AR taking advantage of her naivety.  how much money do you think he made off her information compared to giving her that apt?  not to mention that she took all the risk, as that was the reason he had a fake name, to protect himself.

 
AR's wife didn't see through anything. She already knew Margaret was Nuck's wife. That's why she knew her act was bull ****. It's right there man. How isn't that clear?

like how are you calling AR wife a blackmailer when margaret was complicit in the theft of her dead husbands money?

Cuz AR's wife is blackmailing Margaret. That's why she's a blackmailer. Do you understand how that works?

AR's wife doesn't want ppl to go to jail. She wants money. This isn't hard to comprehend man. It's not Margaret's fault AR didn't leave any safe money for his wife.

edit: and she kept prodding him the whole time, asking him what does he mean, and callin him a ******* when he wouldnt come out and say it for her

Yeah cuz after a couple drinks she couldn't tell what Nuck was going to actually do since he never said what his solution was at first and like I already told you the reason she left him was cuz of all of the death surrounding him. It really isn't a leap to think Nuck would do that from her perspective. You forgot S3? or S2 or Nuck having her 1st husband killed? A big part of their relationship is Nucky killing ppl and her finding out or suspecting it. It got so bad she thought her children were in danger.



I honestly don't know what you're on about anymore other than expressing an irrational hate for Margaret so now you're just saying w/e as long as she looks bad. The summary of events for her sums up her situation really well to explain the current situation:

By season four, set in 1924, Margaret is working as a secretary in an investment office. She earns extra money by helping her boss trick customers into investing in worthless properties. She has an awkward reunion with Nucky, who gives her a present for Teddy and tells her that his butler, Eddie Kessler, has committed suicide. She is badly shaken to find Nucky's associate Arnold Rothstein in her boss' office, investing under another name. He pays her $100 to keep quiet.When Rothstein learns that Margaret's boss is conning him, he arranges to set her up in a new apartment in return for inside information on the deal.

Season five opens in 1931, with Margaret still working at the investment office, which has been hit hard by the Great Depression. After her boss commits suicide, the company's owners find evidence of her deal with Rothstein, putting her job in jeopardy. She goes to Rothstein's widow, Carolyn, to ask for help; Carolyn instead threatens to publicly reveal Margaret's ties to Nucky unless she gives her the profits from Rothstein's illegal stock trade. Desperate, Margaret goes to see Nucky for the first time in years.

So tell me how exactly isn't that clearly blackmail?

Basically, give me the illegal money AR was making or else I'll reveal to everyone you're Nucky Thompson's wife living in the city.

Just re-watch the ep. This has absolutely nothing to do with suing anybody You can't sue somebody for money they don't have and especially not for stolen money they didn't even steal.

I'll say again, this has nothing to do with the Wall Street crash and even if the story was different and the writers made it so Margaret was single handedly responsible for the stock market crash it still wouldn't make a difference to what I'm talking about with AR's wife blackmailing her.

 

[hand2handking]

 
 Tried to phrase the situation in a way in which he would be harmed by it as well.
an irrational hate for Margaret
 You can't sue somebody for money they don't have and especially not for stolen money they didn't even steal.
 

aka making excuses for her involving him in a situation he had no knowledge of/business being in and expecting him to "solve it" for her

she knew exactly what the "solution" was from jump and nucky said as much when he said why did she even come to him?  like you said, she already knows what he's capable of, now she wants him to do it

ar's wife clearly made the threat of the lawsuit, the insult to injury being the media attention

its not a secret margaret was nuckys wife when she was donating wings of hospitals

im sure lawsuits have been filed for less, and its not about her having it/stealing it herself, its that she was complicit in the crime

 

[Master Zik]

 
 Tried to phrase the situation in a way in which he would be harmed by it as well.







cuz after a couple drinks she couldn't tell what Nuck was going to actually do since he never said what his solution was at first


an irrational hate for Margaret



 You can't sue somebody for money they don't have and especially not for stolen money they didn't even steal.

 

aka making excuses for her involving him in a situation he had no knowledge of/business being in and expecting him to "solve it" for her

she knew exactly what the "solution" was from jump and nucky said as much when he said why did she even come to him?  like you said, she already knows what he's capable of, now she wants him to do it

ar's wife clearly made the threat of the lawsuit, the insult to injury being the media attention

its not a secret margaret was nuckys wife when she was donating wings of hospitals

im sure lawsuits have been filed for less, and its not about her having it/stealing it herself, its that she was complicit in the crime

Yeah man at this point you just making **** up.

She never threatened her with a lawsuit It's 1931. She said she'd sue her personally as a bluff. The whole I talked to my lawyer and it's all open and shut is a lie. How can she get money from the investment firm that's bankrupt if she talked to her lawyer? Then she talks about putting her hand in to Nucky's pockets.

The threat was media attention.

You still haven't answered the questions or one. Exactly what would she be suing her for or about? You can't state in a legal suit that she's suing over illegal funds that Margaret didn't even get. This is what I don't get with what you're saying or what you can't understand. Just rewatch that scene. It is not 2014. She did not threaten to sue her for real There was no insult to injury. She's blackmailing her for money and if she doesn't pay she's going to reveal to everybody she's Nucky's wife.

Also we already established that Margaret didn't know what to do so she went to Nucky for help and I already said I don't see any problem with killing AR's wife.

 

[hand2handking]

so now its a bluff and shes lying but im making ish up? 

like i said the media attention comes from her suing them, not from her just saying ol nobody margaret shroeder is really nucky thompsons wife, except maybe that she works on wall st

she will probably try to sue margaret for the intial investment of 100k seeing as how it was both of their money

and the firm isnt bankrupt, its close and a lawsuit like that probably would be the nail

she started talkin about nucky cuz she knows thats a liability she can prey on, nucky in a public court battle

nucky is not gonna kill AR's wife

 his whole deal is he wants to be legit like kennedy and since when has nucky ever killed a woman?

 

[deleted]

I truly don't understand what all this fuss is about

 

[krazy88s]

Was that a teenaged Tommy Darmody that handed Doyle the drink?? I think it was.

All of those pics of the young girls on the Commodore's desk was creepy.

 

[T0INE]

I truly don't understand what all this fuss is about

Man.

 

[shogun]

Chill with the unnecessary Margaret hate.

At first I thought Nucky's mom was having an affair and getting banged out by someone else. I saw the boots neatly put near the front door and didn't think their savage dad would do that.

Did capone really act like that? Dude is crazy. He's getting up to the gyp level of crazy.

Those cuban soldiers were annoying. If you're going to arrest her then just say so and do it. Stop beating around the bush.

 

[krazy88s]

Could Capone's syphilis be kicking in now?

 

[Jordan8]

He probably already has had it for years. he wont be diagnosed with it til he's in prison tho.

 

[je ne sais quoi]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

 

[hand2handking]

margaret has showed from the beginning that she is nothing but a self serving ****.

same thing she doin now with ar's wife she had nucky do to hans.

she wasnted nucky to kill hans just like she wants ar's wife dead.

she thinks she can act all innocent and not have to ask him to do it. it will jus be given to her by nucky, and since she didnt ask she can demonize him.

a real hypocrite.

got no problem spending his money and trying to alleviate her "guilt" then just dippin on the whole situation

talkin about she doin it for her kids 

 everything she did was for her own come up

she aint no role model if she was she woulda stood up to hans from the gate

i got more respect for paz, she didnt pretend to be something she wasnt and when she had her kid she took responsibility and left that life behind, not get involved and then when ur bf gets killed its too dangerous 

**** margaret

 

[Master Zik]

so now its a bluff and shes lying but im making ish up? 

Again what is she gonna sue her for exactly?

When she says I'll sue you personally for what exactly? Illegal money that she didn't even steal?

she will probably try to sue margaret for the intial investment of 100k seeing as how it was both of their money

Money which Margaret didn't steal.

and the firm isnt bankrupt, its close and a lawsuit like that probably would be the nail

Then she should sue the firm not Margaret.

she started talkin about nucky cuz she knows thats a liability she can prey on, nucky in a public court battle

She started talking about Nucky cuz she wants money. Doesn't care who it is. This is clearly blackmail.

nucky is not gonna kill AR's wife  his whole deal is he wants to be legit like kennedy and since when has nucky ever killed a woman?

I didn't say he would. I don't think you're reading what I'm saying anymore. I'm not gonna repeat myself.

margaret has showed from the beginning that she is nothing but a self serving ****.

same thing she doin now with ar's wife she had nucky do to hans.

she wasnted nucky to kill hans just like she wants ar's wife dead.

she thinks she can act all innocent and not have to ask him to do it. it will jus be given to her by nucky, and since she didnt ask she can demonize him.

a real hypocrite.

got no problem spending his money and trying to alleviate her "guilt" then just dippin on the whole situation

talkin about she doin it for her kids   everything she did was for her own come up

she aint no role model if she was she woulda stood up to hans from the gate

i got more respect for paz, she didnt pretend to be something she wasnt and when she had her kid she took responsibility and left that life behind, not get involved and then when ur bf gets killed its too dangerous 

**** margaret

That's what I thought.

Get your hate on bro.

 

[hand2handking]

 

so now its a bluff and shes lying but im making ish up? 

Again what is she gonna sue her for exactly?

When she says I'll sue you personally for what exactly? Illegal money that she didn't even steal?

she will probably try to sue margaret for the intial investment of 100k seeing as how it was both of their money

Money which Margaret didn't steal.

and the firm isnt bankrupt, its close and a lawsuit like that probably would be the nail

Then she should sue the firm not Margaret.

she started talkin about nucky cuz she knows thats a liability she can prey on, nucky in a public court battle

She started talking about Nucky cuz she wants money. Doesn't care who it is. This is clearly blackmail.

nucky is not gonna kill AR's wife

 his whole deal is he wants to be legit like kennedy and since when has nucky ever killed a woman?

I didn't say he would. I don't think you're reading what I'm saying anymore. I'm not gonna repeat myself.

again the point isnt that margaret stole the money or not, its that she engaged in illegal activities

suing margaret and the firm are one and the same

obviously she wants money, but pretending like margaret did nothing wrong or marginalizing it because its margaret is wrong

she was wronged, by margaret, her boss and the company

  I already said I don't see any problem with killing AR's wife.

you may not see it as one, but why even do it?  just because someone opposes you, you just kill them?  this is an old lady man 

 

[shogun]

She's stupid for trying to extort and threaten to sue nucky in the first place. That's just dumb.

 

[Master Zik]

 

so now its a bluff and shes lying but im making ish up? 

Again what is she gonna sue her for exactly?


When she says I'll sue you personally for what exactly? Illegal money that she didn't even steal?

she will probably try to sue margaret for the intial investment of 100k seeing as how it was both of their money

Money which Margaret didn't steal.

and the firm isnt bankrupt, its close and a lawsuit like that probably would be the nail

Then she should sue the firm not Margaret.

she started talkin about nucky cuz she knows thats a liability she can prey on, nucky in a public court battle

She started talking about Nucky cuz she wants money. Doesn't care who it is. This is clearly blackmail.

nucky is not gonna kill AR's wife  his whole deal is he wants to be legit like kennedy and since when has nucky ever killed a woman?

I didn't say he would. I don't think you're reading what I'm saying anymore. I'm not gonna repeat myself.

again the point isnt that margaret stole the money or not, its that she engaged in illegal activities

What is your point exactly?

Cuz if it's she engaged in illegal activities Imma say so what. Who on this show isn't?

suing margaret and the firm are one and the same

No it is not.

AR's wife says she wants the money from AR's account since her "lawyer" told her it's pretty simple the it belongs to her. Margaret tells her the firm doesn't have that kind of money and are near bankruptcy. She then says she'd sue Margret. She says she doesn't have that kind of money. AR's wife then reveals she knows she was married to Nucky, implies that Margaret should get the money from him, and that if she doesn't she'll make sure her name is all over the papers like hers was.

So no suing Margaret is not the same thing as suing the firm. It's why suing Margaret is complete bull ****. The threat isn't suing since there is no legitimate claim for that. It's revealing Margaret's connection to Nucky.

obviously she wants money, but pretending like margaret did nothing wrong or marginalizing it because its margaret is wrong

Who is pretending Margaret didn't do anything wrong?

she was wronged, by margaret, her boss and the company

No she wasn't. The first thing out her mouth is that AR left her nothing but an ugly chair and some other useless crap. She's bitter at AR.

Margaret didn't wrong AR's wife. She didn't steal from her or anything like that. She made a side deal with AR for a free apt. AR died. Her boss kept the account open to do w/e he did. Margaret had no control over that.

  I already said I don't see any problem with killing AR's wife.

you may not see it as one, but why even do it?  just because someone opposes you, you just kill them?  this is an old lady man 

Cold world b. Where you been at with this show?

You want to blackmail the wife of the husband that runs a whole city ruthlessly prepare for the consequences.

Given how Nucky was with Margaret this past ep I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't just threaten AR's wife life and keep the money she was suppose to give to her

She aint no old lady either

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[hand2handking]

 No she wasn't. The first thing out her mouth is that AR left her nothing but an ugly chair and some other useless crap. She's bitter at AR.

Margaret didn't wrong AR's wife. She didn't steal from her or anything like that. She made a side deal with AR for a free apt. AR died. Her boss kept the account open to do w/e he did. Margaret had no control over that.

 Cold world b. Where you been at with this show?

You want to blackmail the wife of the husband that runs a whole city ruthlessly prepare for the consequences.

Given how Nucky was with Margaret this past ep I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't just threaten AR's wife life and keep the money she was suppose to give to her 

She aint no old lady either 

rule #1 gangster no women no children, bad for business 

and shes old enough, she aint a spring chicken anymore 

 

[Cashflow]

I can't believe this debate is still going on

 

[Master Zik]

yea but margaret is not one of the criminals on this show.

She is now. Been that since last season.

the point of her going from suing the company to margaret personally is that she can sue any one or both

No she can't. She has no proof. She'd epically fail.

Again what would she be suing Margaret for exactly?

again, how is threatening to expose margaret as nuckys wife when margaret has already been seen as nuckys wife?

By whom? Who in NYC knows that Margaret Schroeder is really Margaret Thompson? She was seen by ppl in AC. That's not the threat. She'd lose her job and be hounded by ppl in her new home where she has established anonymity from being connected to Nucky. She loses all of that if she ends up on the papers.

That's why AR's wife was able to blackmail her cuz as of right now there's no criminal evidence that'd send Margaret to jail.

margaret did have control, instead of letting her boss go off on his own, with her approval, she could have turned him in.

Bull ****.

Turn him in for what? This **** aint her business. Not to mention at this point she's already done dirt herself. When you commit a crime you don't go running to the cops cuz somebody else committed a crime. This reasoning don't even make sense. It's right there in your post, it's her boss. She turns him in and loses her job most likely. That's not smart.

With talk like this she should've turned in Nucky for killing her husband, right? and a whole bunch of other crimes.

rule #1 gangster no women no children, bad for business

Which gangsters you talking about? Not the ones on Boardwalk Empire.

and shes old enough, she aint a spring chicken anymore

She old enough to die if she gonna blackmail somebody.

 

[hand2handking]

 Bull ****.

Turn him in for what? This **** aint her business. Not to mention at this point she's already done dirt herself. When you commit a crime you don't go running to the cops cuz somebody else committed a crime. This reasoning don't even make sense. It's right there in your post, it's her boss. She turns him in and loses her job most likely. That's not smart.

With talk like this she should've turned in Nucky for killing her husband, right? and a whole bunch of other crimes.

 

[robtoofresco]

I can't believe this debate is still going on

 

[Master Zik]

so she is a criminal now?

If you commit a crime you're a criminal.

i thought her crimes werent that serious?

They're still crimes aren't they? I just said they're white collar crimes so they're nothing in comparison to what we've seen on this show for the past 4 seasons. Nucky has been doing stuff like this along with his gangster dealings from S1.

im saying since she is a criminal she should be punished like one

Then you also feel 95% of the other characters on this show should also be punished for their crimes right? Tons of murderers in Nucky, Van Alden, Al, Lucky, AR, Gyp, Jimmy, Harrow, Chalky, Gillian, Mickey, etc.

she could sue margaret and the company for the mishandling of the money.

That's not Margaret's job. She doesn't handle the money. She doesn't handle accounts. Do you know what her job was?

The firm don't even have the money to pay this so she'd be wasting her time. So no she couldn't sue Margaret and she wouldn't win anything. That's why she's not doing it. She'd rather blackmail.

they dont want to take responsibility, which is why they pointed out her signatures on his statements.

Which wouldn't mean anything in a court of law because Margaret was working for the company under her boss's orders doing all of those things.

from ar's wife perspective, who's to say margaret didnt benefit off the money?

You bring in an IRS accountant to prove this and it would be quickly apparent that she didn't benefit from the money because she actually didn't.

her job is already gone, and who would care that nucky is married to a nobody?

I'm not talking about Nucky. I'm talking about her. Nobdoy knows she's married to Nucky in NYC. Nobody knows who she is. She wants to keep it that way. The threat of being in the papers ruins that for her and her children. These are the reasons why it is blackmail. What is so hard to understand?

and what proof does ARs wife have that margaret is nucky's wife? a ring?

She doesn't have proof but since Margaret didn't deny it and say they divorced and it is true that they're still married the threat actually works and that's why it's blackmail.

like i said nucky being married to margaret is not a news story, nucky being sued is.

Yes it is once AR's wife add in w/e claims she thinks are true. The news story would be Nucky Thompson's wife is being sued by AR's widow.

Exactly why would Nucky get sued now? She never said she was going to sue Nucky. You're kinda just making this up as you go now. Went from suing Margaret for no reason to suing Nucky for absolutely no reason.

if she had turned him in she might have still had her job. instead he he killed himself and left her holding the bag for both of their crimes.

Two separate crimes bruh. There is still no evidence of what she did with AR. All she did was sign the papers along with her boss for him to keep using money from that account.

and i didnt mean report him to the police for white collar crime, i meant inform the higher ups as to what he was doing preventatively. if she turns him in, hows he going to fire her when he's fired? if anything she mighta got a promotion

The only problem in all of this is that dude killed himself. If not there'd be no problems. There was no reason at the time to report dude.

 

[hand2handking]

 If you commit a crime you're a criminal.

 They're still crimes aren't they? 

 I just said they're white collar crimes so they're nothing in comparison to what we've seen on this show for the past 4 seasons. Nucky has been doing stuff like this along with his gangster dealings from S1.

 Then you also feel 95% of the other characters on this show should also be punished for their crimes right? Tons of murderers in Nucky, Van Alden, Al, Lucky, AR, Gyp, Jimmy, Harrow, Chalky, Gillian, Mickey, etc.

 That's not Margaret's job. She doesn't handle the money. She doesn't handle accounts. Do you know what her job was? 

The firm don't even have the money to pay this so she'd be wasting her time. So no she couldn't sue Margaret and she wouldn't win anything. That's why she's not doing it. She'd rather blackmail.

Which wouldn't mean anything in a court of law because Margaret was working for the company under her boss's orders doing all of those things. 

 You bring in an IRS accountant to prove this and it would be quickly apparent that she didn't benefit from the money because she actually didn't.

 I'm not talking about Nucky. I'm talking about her. Nobdoy knows she's married to Nucky in NYC. Nobody knows who she is. She wants to keep it that way. The threat of being in the papers ruins that for her and her children. These are the reasons why it is blackmail. What is so hard to understand?

 She doesn't have proof but since Margaret didn't deny it and say they divorced and it is true that they're still married the threat actually works and that's why it's blackmail.

 Yes it is once AR's wife add in w/e claims she thinks are true. The news story would be Nucky Thompson's wife is being sued by AR's widow.

Exactly why would Nucky get sued now? She never said she was going to sue Nucky. You're kinda just making this up as you go now. Went from suing Margaret for no reason to suing Nucky for absolutely no reason.

 Two separate crimes bruh. There is still no evidence of what she did with AR. All she did was sign the papers along with her boss for him to keep using money from that account.

there is evidence, the file that she tried to get rid of with his name on it.  his portfolio would show he was receiving inside information 

 The only problem in all of this is that dude killed himself. If not there'd be no problems. There was no reason at the time to report dude.

the fact that he eventually killed himself is exactly the reason why, because anything could happen.  it wasnt bound to go on forever, and she wasnt even profiting from it.  the company caught on to him and thats why he killed himself