Boardwalk Empire Season 5 Thread - Series Finale - Eldorado

[gregzzy23]

I think its time to take it to PM's

 

[deleted]

I think its time to take it to PM's

+1

 

[had pants]

 

[hand2handking]

this is from hbo's episode synopsis so......?

*sue them both

like i said, shes going to sue and the media attention from the trial is the kicker

*Confirming he has no plans to kill Carolyn Rothstein

Confirming - as in Margaret already having had the idea to kill Carolyn.  she comes to nucky tell him to do it, until he leaves her no choice but to outright ask him in hopes that he would.  she wasnt even thinkin about paying Carolyn, thats why she was so surprised when he said he wasnt killing her

*Kennedy waiting for him - and flirting with margaret

like i said,  nucky seeing her flirting with kennedy probably made him  start thinkin about her and rothstein and how she operates

*Rothstein's widow, Carolyn, plans to take legal action

like i said, suing margaret and the company are one and the same, thats why they want to place the blame on margaret

*The attorney points out that Margaret signed the withdrawal slips.

her signature is the evidence of her wrongdoing, it doesnt matter if she stole the money herself she still abetted and was accessory to the fact

*Though Margaret feigns naivete

like i said, trying to fool Carolyn with that innocent act but she saw right through it

*Little use for Margaret's excuses

because she doesnt have to do anything except sit back and sue, its just which way of getting the money is faster?

*She wants whats hers

the money that AR invested was hers too

http://www.hbo.com/boardwalk-empire/episodes/05/52-cuanto/synopsis.html#/

http://www.hbo.com/boardwalk-empire.../episodes/05/51-what-jesus-said/synopsis.html

 

[mvplikekobe24]

Was kinda pissed that Al didnt remember who Jimmy was when Lucky brought him up since they started out kind of together and were close for a bit. Al on that yay too much

 

[macbk]

Never felt sadder for a television character than when this went down

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[TipsyMcStagga]

Finally watched. Good episode. Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Margaret was kinda sexy this episode...

 

[Master Zik]

all the other people on this show were criminals from day one, but margaret gets to just break bad and skate free?

I must've missed when this show was about fairness

i didnt say margaret was in charge of handling the money, i said was complicit in the mishandling of it i.e the signatures

Being sued for all the money is not the punishment for being complicit.

so since margarets boss broke the law, and margaret knew and helped, that doesnt make her an accessory? just following orders is not a defense

Yeah, just pull the clueless woman card. There's no case her for being sued. She can go to jail for it but obviously she's not doing that because she just wants the money.

so ur going to bring in as irs accountant to look for allegedly stolen money?

She didn't take the money anyway. It was over a 100k. It's a firm not a bank. The money had to be deposited somewhere. Her boss wasn't withdrawing cash and making moves with it.

because the first thing people do when they steal is deposit it in the bank and go make a lot of flashy purchases

They wouldn't be looking for flashy purchases

explain to me the part where margaret is important enough to get into a newspaper just for being married to nucky?

Nucky is famous and infamous. Known as a gangster and all around corrupt. That alone gets a lot of eyes on him because of her. The importance is that she is his wife.

so then how is she going to get anyone to believe what she is saying when she has no proof? in order to have blackmail, you have to have proof of something.

The proof is exposing Margaret. Like I said before she could've lied and said she divorced Nucky but she didn't. She came in with the game plan to play coy that got torn apart and she didn't have a backup plan. If she had said Nucky divorced her she would've called AR's wife's bluff on bringing this to the papers.

there is evidence, the file that she tried to get rid of with his name on it. his portfolio would show he was receiving inside information

No it wouldn't. You just made that up. You don't know what's in his file. Only thing in there is the business deals he made not evidence that Margaret gave him inside info.

Keep in mind she was giving AR inside info because her boss was conning him with bad deals. That's the thing he had going with Margaret with other clients. She would make things appear one way and he'd close the deal on a bad investment and make the profit while she'd get a bill out of it.

the fact that he eventually killed himself is exactly the reason why, because anything could happen. it wasnt bound to go on forever, and she wasnt even profiting from it. the company caught on to him and thats why he killed himself

This doesn't address anything I just said but yeah she wasn't profiting from it so it wouldn't go back to her when her boss eventually closed the account or got caught.

*sue them both

like i said, shes going to sue and the media attention from the trial is the kicker

She says that so Nucky can believe it's his problem. Like said before "one of us has a solution"

*Confirming he has no plans to kill Carolyn Rothstein

Confirming - as in Margaret already having had the idea to kill Carolyn. she comes to nucky tell him to do it, until he leaves her no choice but to outright ask him in hopes that he would. she wasnt even thinkin about paying Carolyn, thats why she was so surprised when he said he wasnt killing her

Did you miss the part where I didn't say Nucky would kill her?

All I said is I think that's what he should do. That's what Margaret assumed and was still confused about until he told her what she's going to do.

like i said, suing margaret and the company are one and the same, thats why they want to place the blame on margaret

No it isn't. First she said her lawyer told she'd get the money from the account. Then when told the company is almost bankrupt said she would "personally sue" Margaret. That is two different things not one in the same

her signature is the evidence of her wrongdoing, it doesnt matter if she stole the money herself she still abetted and was accessory to the fact

This is still not grounds for suing Margaret or Nucky This is just evidence for why she might face a charge.

*Though Margaret feigns naivete
like i said, trying to fool Carolyn with that innocent act but she saw right through it
*Little use for Margaret's excuses
because she doesnt have to do anything except sit back and sue, its just which way of getting the money is faster?
*She wants whats hers
the money that AR invested was hers too

Yeah, so she blackmails Margaret with the threat of going to the media so her name can be in the paper so she face the same shame since she's married to Nucky.

I said all this before man. You bringing in plot summaries didn't change anything. I dunno man, maybe re-watch the ep like I've already suggested.

 

[hand2handking]

 

all the other people on this show were criminals from day one, but margaret gets to just break bad and skate free?

I must've missed when this show was about fairness

you missed my point, margaret doesnt get to break bad and skate free because she's not a criminal from day one, she doesnt know how to do it

i didnt say margaret was in charge of handling the money, i said was complicit in the mishandling of it i.e the signatures

Being sued for all the money is not the punishment for being complicit.

Because the court will make that distinction for her on her behalf?  like you said, cold world b. her boss is dead, its on her now

so since margarets boss broke the law, and margaret knew and helped, that doesnt make her an accessory? just following orders is not a defense

Yeah, just pull the clueless woman card. There's no case her for being sued. She can go to jail for it but obviously she's not doing that because she just wants the money.

She already tried that clueless woman card twice and didnt work either time. and ignorance of the law is not a defense either.

so ur going to bring in as irs accountant to look for allegedly stolen money?

She didn't take the money anyway. It was over a 100k. It's a firm not a bank. The money had to be deposited somewhere. Her boss wasn't withdrawing cash and making moves with it.

her boss was withdrawing money and making moves, and she signed off on it

explain to me the part where margaret is important enough to get into a newspaper just for being married to nucky?

That alone gets a lot of eyes on him because of her. The importance is that she is his wife.

so margaret isnt important at all, because all thats important about her is that shes nucky's wife.  so calling nucky a criminal (which everyone already knows) and that he's married to margaret is front page news  

so then how is she going to get anyone to believe what she is saying when she has no proof? in order to have blackmail, you have to have proof of something.

The proof is exposing Margaret.

what? im asking what proof is she going to expose margaret with?

there is evidence, the file that she tried to get rid of with his name on it. his portfolio would show he was receiving inside information

No it wouldn't. You just made that up. You don't know what's in his file. Only thing in there is the business deals he made not evidence that Margaret gave him inside info.

Keep in mind she was giving AR inside info because her boss was conning him with bad deals. 

when they look at his portfolio and see he was returning a profit on all of his investments. his numbers would show that he had to be receiving help.  no one is that good on the stock market.  that is the evidence.

the fact that he eventually killed himself is exactly the reason why, because anything could happen. it wasnt bound to go on forever, and she wasnt even profiting from it. the company caught on to him and thats why he killed himself

This doesn't address anything I just said but yeah she wasn't profiting from it so it wouldn't go back to her when her boss eventually closed the account or got caught.

you said there was no reason for her to turn him in, i gave you one.  the fact that he lost all of the money and killed himself is the reason.  and it did get back to her because the company accountant saw what she did

*sue them both

like i said, shes going to sue and the media attention from the trial is the kicker

She says that so Nucky can believe it's his problem. Like said before "one of us has a solution"

the synopsis clearly says she plans to sue.  when you say "she says it like so nucky can believe its his problem", what you're saying is that margaret was trying to manipulate him into helping her.  you know margaret is familiar with nuckys penchant for violence, but for some reason you dont think that the very reason she came to him for "help" is because she wants him to "solve" carolyn.  

*Confirming he has no plans to kill Carolyn Rothstein

Confirming - as in Margaret already having had the idea to kill Carolyn. she comes to nucky tell him to do it, until he leaves her no choice but to outright ask him in hopes that he would. she wasnt even thinkin about paying Carolyn, thats why she was so surprised when he said he wasnt killing her

Did you miss the part where I didn't say Nucky would kill her? did i miss the part where you did not say that  

All I said is I think that's what he should do. That's what Margaret assumed and was still confused about until he told her what she's going to do.

what you're callin an assumption is actually presumption.  margaret thinks that since she has a problem, presumably nucky will feel obligated to fix it for her.  assuming the idea that if she has a problem, nucky will absolutely eliminate it any cost for the sake of her.  she was hoping nucky would agree to kill her. thats why when he said we're paying her and you're going to do it, she got all mad.  she didnt want to have to deal with her, just kill her for her 

like i said, suing margaret and the company are one and the same, thats why they want to place the blame on margaret

No it isn't. First she said her lawyer told she'd get the money from the account. Then when told the company is almost bankrupt said she would "personally sue" Margaret. That is two different things not one in the same

like i said she can sue either one or both of them, its the same thing.  if she sues the company, margaret is still part of that case.  she doesnt get absolved of wrongdoing.  like youre really just playing semantics, the company is obviously worried about a lawsuit.

her signature is the evidence of her wrongdoing, it doesnt matter if she stole the money herself she still abetted and was accessory to the fact

This is still not grounds for suing Margaret or Nucky

This is just evidence for why she might face a charge.

yes and after getting that criminal charge, she'll face civil damages

at this point i feel like youre just arguing just to argue, HBO has backed up everything I have said.

 

[sfc415]

I think its time to take it to PM's

 

[hand2handking]

Yeah man at this point you just making **** up.

She started talking about Nucky cuz she wants money. Doesn't care who it is. This is clearly blackmail.  *extortion

 

again the point isnt that margaret stole the money or not, its that she engaged in illegal activities

suing margaret and the firm are one and the same

her "lawyer" told her it's pretty simple that it belongs to her.  

 The threat was media attention.

 The threat isn't suing since there is no legitimate claim for that.

 So no suing Margaret is not the same thing as suing the firm.

 No she can't. She has no proof. She'd epically fail.

Again what would she be suing Margaret for exactly?

she should sue the firm not Margaret.

the firm doesn't have that kind of money and are near bankruptcy. 

She then says she'd sue Margret. 

She never threatened her with a lawsuit 

She said she'd sue her personally as a bluff. 

The whole I talked to my lawyer and it's all open and shut is a lie.

She did not threaten to sue her for real 

 

It's why suing Margaret is complete bull ****.

 This is just evidence for why she might face a charge.

 The news story would be Nucky Thompson's wife is being sued by AR's widow.

She says she doesn't have that kind of money.  

 Margaret didn't know what to do

AR's wife then reveals she knows she was married to Nucky,

implies that Margaret should get the money from him,

The firm don't even have the money to pay this so she'd be wasting her time. So no she couldn't sue Margaret and she wouldn't win anything. That's why she's not doing it.

 Exactly why would Nucky get sued now? She never said she was going to sue Nucky. You're kinda just making this up as you go now. Went from suing Margaret for no reason to suing Nucky for absolutely no reason.

and that if she doesn't she'll make sure her name is all over the papers like hers was.

I'm not talking about Nucky. I'm talking about her. Nobdoy knows she's married to Nucky in NYC. Nobody knows who she is. She wants to keep it that way. The threat of being in the papers  *sued ruins that for her and her children. These are the reasons why it is blackmail  extortion. What is so hard to understand?

 Nucky is famous and infamous. Known as a gangster and all around corrupt. That alone gets a lot of eyes on him because of her. The importance is that she is his wife.

Yeah, so she blackmails Margaret with the threat of going to the media  *being sued so her name can be in the paper so she face the same shame since she's married to Nucky. 

like i said nucky being married to margaret is not a news story, nucky being sued is.

her job is already gone, and who would care that nucky is married to a nobody?

and what proof does ARs wife have that margaret is nucky's wife? a ring?

  She doesn't have proof but since Margaret didn't deny it and say they divorced and it is true that they're still married the threat (of being sued) actually works and that's why it's blackmail  extortion.

Who is pretending Margaret didn't do anything wrong?

She made a side deal with AR for a free apt.

Her boss kept the account open to do w/e he did.

Margaret had no control over that.

 

[shogun]

Was kinda pissed that Al didnt remember who Jimmy was when Lucky brought him up since they started out kind of together and were close for a bit. Al on that yay too much

I was thinking the same thing. He was probably just denying knowing who darmondy was. Unless his memory is bad at this point.

 

[Master Zik]

at this point i feel like youre just arguing just to argue, HBO has backed up everything I have said.

Actually you've just taken the summary and given you're own interpretation.

That's all I see in most of your replies. I don't want to repeat myself again. Plus the manner in which you've chosen to reply isn't even showing up. I got to highlight the post to read

FYI, extortion is the legal term when you are charged after being caught. It's still blackmail @ you trying to get around what it is.

 

[ASE]

Margaret has always looked good. She was just annoying.

 

[Jordan8]

I was thinking the same thing. He was probably just denying knowing who darmondy was. Unless his memory is bad at this point.

I took it as him acting like his death didn't affect him like a deflection of feels or something. Ain't no way he doesn't remember dormondy

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

Well syphilis does cause memory loss...

 

[ICEBERGSLIM]

Al never did remember Jimmy's whole name. Maybe if Lucky had called him Jimmy Irish it woulda rang a bell. They did put in a lot of work together and seemed fairly friendly for dudes in that line of work. Hell, Jimmy was the one who discovered Capones son was deaf.

 

[hand2handking]

Actually you've just taken the summary and given you're own interpretation.

brah hbo is telling you the same thing i am, its not interpretation its reading comprehension.

i spelled it out for you twice

how are you just going ignore what HBO is telling you?

you talk about me makin stuff up, but you have entirely made up the following:

1) that carolyn wont/cant sue

2) carolyn is lying about suing

3) margaret by herself can make it into a newspaper just for being nuckys wife, without carolyn suing her

4) the company isnt scared of a lawsuit

5) there no evidence against margaret 

6) margarets job was not signing off on withdrawals aka managing accts.

7) nucky wont be sued too

carolyn is blackmailing with no evidence

im sure theres more but thats good enough.

 

[shogun]

Stop it.

 

[Master Zik]

Actually you've just taken the summary and given you're own interpretation.

1) that carolyn wont/cant sue

Not Margaret. She can sue the firm. That's who is liable.

2) carolyn is lying about suing

It's a bluff.

3) margaret by herself can make it into a newspaper just for being nuckys wife, without carolyn suing her

She said she was going to make sure she was in the papers and shamed just like her. She's equating what she went through

4) the company isnt scared of a lawsuit

When did I say this? Quote me please. When did I say the company isn't scared of a lawsuit? You're literally making stuff up as you accuse me of making stuff up. Seems you misunderstood something I said and just kept going assuming that.

All I said is they're going to be bankrupt like Maragret said.

5) there no evidence against margaret 

There is no evidence that Margaret has any of the money in AR's account. There is no evidence that she provided AR with inside info for a free apt.

The only evidence that exists is her signatures for when her boss was still using the money from AR's account after he died.

6) margarets job was not signing off on withdrawals aka managing accts.

When did I say this?

This seems more like I said something you didn't understand it so you assumed this which is becoming a trend with your list

7) nucky wont be sued too

He won't. What is he being sued for?

carolyn is blackmailing with no evidence

She is. Her card is revealing Margaret is Nuck's wife. She wants money and she doesn't care who it is from.

Think for a second, if she divorced Nucky and she sued Margaret what would she get? Nothing. There'd be no name in the paper cuz Margret isn't married to an infamous corrupt gangster/politician.

Just cuz you don't understand it, and then I explain it to you and you still can't understand it don't mean I made it up. Just means you don't understand.

 

[had pants]

I remember this scene pretty much got me hooked on the series

 

[robtoofresco]

Can you guys seriously take this to PM's?...

This is ridiculous already.

I don't know about anyone else but whenever I see you two going back & forth I literally read 0% of your posts.

Never scrolled down a page so fast 

.

 

[Pedro Navaja]

take your bickering somewhere else

 

[robtoofresco]

**** Jimmy though, I always thought he was an unappreciative snake 

.

I was glad when Nucky put two between his eyes.

 

[had pants]

Michael Pitt on landing the role of Jimmy Darmody

(On landing Boardwalk Empire) They sent me the pilot and I read it and I started working on it. I went to a big casting call, where you wait in the waiting room and you put the scene down on tape, and they called me a month later. I had been in California trying to find a job and I met with [Boardwalk producer] Terry Winter, and when I came back they said I could audition for Marty [Scorsese]. I was a bit nervous, and before I went in for the audition I got dressed up-put on a suit and stuff-because it was 1920s-and I went in and I met Marty, who was staying at the Waldorf-Astoria. He had been kind of homeless for a while and he was staying in this giant suite, and I went in and we talked and I did this scene, and he said, "That's good, but you should do it angrier," and so I did, but he said, again, "That's good, but I think a bit more angry," so I did it again even angrier and asked, "So is that good?" and he said, "Yeah, more angry!" So I went to the corner of the room and started screaming at the top of my lungs, "You ************!" and punching the wall. I asked him, "Is that good?" and he said, "I think it's a good place to start."
Taken from IMDB