that Syrian Civil War is NO JOKE VOL. over 1300 dead after alleged Nerve gas attack

importfan90000 said:
The amount of misinformation in this thread is amazing a combination of Ron Paul we live in the 1800s isolationist and conspiracists.

Here what will happen if the US does nothing, extremist elements will completely gain power of rebel forces leaving no moderate opposition in Syria as seen by some defections from the FSA to Jabhat Al Nursa, who are well armed and financed they will oust Assad and create an Islamic Sharia State as they have done in the areas of Syria they now administer.
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So lets help Assad then. :smokin

You're misusing the term isolationist, BTW.
 
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importfan90000 said:
Here what will happen if the US does nothing, extremist elements will completely gain power of rebel forces leaving no moderate opposition in Syria as seen by some defections from the FSA to Jabhat Al Nursa, who are well armed and financed they will oust Assad and create an Islamic Sharia State as they have done in the areas of Syria they now administer. The creation of such an Islamic State that is allied to Iran will create a terrorist breeding ground, destabilizing and threatening the security of many Middle Eastern allies and we will have to actually begin to consider boots on the ground. With the time we have left we need to organize and supply vetted moderates to allow them the capacity to even out the advantages shared by extremist groups in Syria. The cost of arming the moderate FSA elements is less than letting Syria fall into the hands of Islamists.   
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Two journalism organizations say President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the Iraqi threat...

The study was posted yesterday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism. The two nonprofit groups concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

The study counted 935 false statements in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues. Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them, or had links to al-Qaida, or both, it said.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/politics/white-house/iraq-war-card
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What's the over/under of what you posted is utter bull crap? Oh wait.. it's Kerry, Hagel and Obama stating this... so the threat is real this time around right? :rolleyes
 
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rumors Danny Abdul-Dayem and CNN staged interviews like the Charles Jaco Iraq interview way back?
 
Bandit Country said:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/02/biden-all-gm-plants-would-have-shut-without-help/

Throw baaaaaack.
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Sept. 2, 2012, YORK, Pa. (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that Republican rival Mitt Romney is “ready to go to war in Syria and Iran” while hurting the middle class.

The warning came during a campaign stop in York, Pa., designed to promote President Barack Obama’s economic policies among white, working-class voters. The thrust of Biden’s pitch has been that America is digging out from the 2008 economic collapse and that Romney would take the country backward. But Biden, a foreign policy heavyweight, also cautioned voters that Romney would adopt policies that favor confrontation over cooperation.

“He said it was a mistake to end the war in Iraq and bring all of our warriors home,” Biden said of Romney. “He said it was a mistake to set an end date for our warriors in Afghanistan and bring them home. He implies by the speech that he’s ready to go to war in Syria and Iran.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/02/biden-all-gm-plants-would-have-shut-without-help/#ixzz2e8ZNYntj
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:smh:

playing both sides of the fence when it's convenient. Politics...
 
Because of course nothing could have changed since 2008 right Wr?

That damn Biden!  Trying to trick us by having a different stance after 5 years of events!

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ReggieKILLER said:
Because of course nothing could have changed since 2008 right Wr?



That damn Biden!  Trying to trick us by having a different stance after 5 years of events!

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the article is from 2012 :lol:

There were chemical attacks then
 
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Son the US supports the extremist in Syria...
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Mad innocent civilians about to die...this dude Obama just got done with the MLK speech to blind dudes...
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This dude slick as hell man.
 
**** is like a movie...so what do the Boston bombers have to do with this I ask? 

It seems like a whole lot, and it's starting to look more planned out than ever. That's why there were cries of conspiracies back then, and it just continues on up until this very moment. 

Putin and Obama meet a week or so after the events, but was their meeting planned ahead of time, or was it something set up after Obama's decision to use military force?
 
SunDOOBIE said:
What's the over/under of what you posted is utter bull crap? Oh wait.. it's Kerry, Hagel and Obama stating this... so the threat is real this time around right?
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Seriously if you look at articles from the Guardian, NPR, AP, Reuters all independent and reputable news organizations it all points to a weakened moderate opposition due to lack of funds, equipment, and arms, and a growing Islamic Insurgency supported by foreign funds and fighters seeking to establish a Sharia state after Assad's ouster.  Failure to see that the moderates are failing because of lack of equipment and arms will result in the creation an Islamic State in Syria once the Islamist are strong enough to destroy Assad. 

History often repeats itself, at the end of Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan, foreign elements funded the talliban with fighters and arms and they prevailed in the Civil War to control the country and it became an Al Qaeda breeding ground. The Result Boots on the Grounds from 2001-2014. Non Interventionist policies played a direct part in the US staying out of Afghani affairs after the Soviets left. 

Iraq was a misguided Invasion and the situation on the ground in Syria is not the same as the one in Iraq
 
importfan90000 said:
Seriously if you look at articles from the Guardian, NPR, AP, Reuters all independent and reputable news organizations it all points to a weakened moderate opposition due to lack of funds, equipment, and arms, and a growing Islamic Insurgency supported by foreign funds and fighters seeking to establish a Sharia state after Assad's ouster.  Failure to see that the moderates are failing because of lack of equipment and arms will result in the creation an Islamic State in Syria once the Islamist are strong enough to destroy Assad. 

History often repeats itself, at the end of Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan, foreign elements funded the talliban with fighters and arms and they prevailed in the Civil War to control the country and it became an Al Qaeda breeding ground. The Result Boots on the Grounds from 2001-2014. Non Interventionist policies played a direct part in the US staying out of Afghani affairs after the Soviets left. 

Iraq was a misguided Invasion and the situation on the ground in Syria is not the same as the one in Iraq
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Try American..
 
Wr said:
Try American..
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You should know the CIA did fund Mujahideen fighters up until the end of Soviet Occupation was supported by ISI and CIA, however after withdrawal elements in Saudi and the Gulf States supported them and provided them with additional foreign fighters.  

Now you have Jabhat Al Nusra and Islamic State of Iraq and Syria being supported with arms and foreign fighters by elements in the gulf states and gaining ground at the expense of the moderate secular brigades of the Free Syrian Army. What will happen when Islamic groups take complete control of the rebellion and overthrow Assad?
 
importfan90000 said:
You should know the CIA did fund Mujahideen fighters up until the end of Soviet Occupation was supported by ISI and CIA, however after withdrawal elements in Saudi and the Gulf States supported them and provided them with additional foreign fighters.  

Now you have Jabhat Al Nusra and Islamic State of Iraq and Syria being supported with arms and foreign fighters by elements in the gulf states and gaining ground at the expense of the moderate secular brigades of the Free Syrian Army. What will happen when Islamic groups take complete control of the rebellion and overthrow Assad?
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That all of the progressive movements of the area will be stamped out, ethnic minorites like coptic christians and other groups will be decimated and Israel will be completely surrounded with hostile neighbors thus advancing the need for more aggressive measures to be taken.

You wouldn't kick a wasp hive to send a message. ]

There is no way taking a "soft" military approach does not broil into a much larger conflict.

On another note, part of me is like lets go ahead and get this over with. The stage has been set for something like this to go down for a very long time. There are even entire college degrees dedicated to studying these conflicts in the middle east.

It's no secret that the true war is classified and we really do not know the true nature of the conflict and all this media coverage and talking points are an aside to what's really important to those turning the wheels on this machine.
 
rillo561 said:
I see no difference between Iraq and Syria.
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In Iraq you had a complete dictatorship that was not in open rebellion, only after the US removed Saddam did we become engaged in a sectarian civil war. in Syria a sectarian civil war is ongoing and the moderates are on the loosing end, if we fail to render aide to them than their voice will be lost, our hesitation has cost the moderates heavily as the tide of war has turned in the Islamist favor due to moderates lacking equipment and funds to fight a secular rebellion. 

Would you rather have moderates or Islamist on control of Syria?
 
Wr said:
That all of the progressive movements of the area will be stamped out, ethnic minorites like coptic christians and other groups will be decimated and Israel will be completely surrounded with hostile neighbors thus advancing the need for more aggressive measures to be taken.

You wouldn't kick a wasp hive to send a message. ]

There is no way taking a "soft" military approach does not broil into a much larger conflict.

On another note, part of me is like lets go ahead and get this over with. The stage has been set for something like this to go down for a very long time. There are even entire college degrees dedicated to studying these conflicts in the middle east.

It's no secret that the true war is classified and we really do not know the true nature of the conflict and all this media coverage and talking points are an aside to what's really important to those turning the wheels on this machine.
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I completely agree with you that we do not know the true nature of this conflict and that strikes make be ineffective therefore I support the US using our gulf allies to train and support competent secular rebel forces to stem the tide of the Islamic Insurgency. 
 
"Moderates" as in those who play ball with the west interest? Like big bad Saddam was for a while there?
 
importfan90000 said:
I completely agree with you that we do not know the true nature of this conflict and that strikes make be ineffective therefore I support the US using our gulf allies to train and support competent secular rebel forces to stem the tide of the Islamic Insurgency. 
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when did Assad go from secular to moderate though. Like what was the exact transition. It seems so sudden. Like Ghadaffi's fate.
 
rillo561 said:
"Moderates" as in those who play ball with the west interest? Like big bad Saddam was for a while there?
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you play chess? a pawn that just helped you advance in one move, may be the same pawn you have to sacrifice in the next
 
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importfan90000 said:
I completely agree with you that we do not know the true nature of this conflict and that strikes make be ineffective therefore I support the US using our gulf allies to train and support competent secular rebel forces to stem the tide of the Islamic Insurgency. 
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when did Assad go from secular to moderate though. Like what was the exact transition. It seems so sudden. Like Ghadaffi's fate.
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secular = moderates
islamists = extremists

at least in this context.
 
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CreateDestroy said:
you play chess? a pawn that just helped you advance in one move, may be the same pawn you have to sacrifice in the next
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this seems dangerous but such are the parallels of this ancient game and conquest of kingdoms.
 
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