most undeserving MVP'S of any major sport

Osh Kosh Bosh said:
I love AI, but the MVP is ridiculous.

Drose MVP is bad now.

but LOW KEY LOW KEY Kobe's 2007-08 MVP is very very weak.

CP3, Lebron, Garnett, all had better cases.

CP3 that may have been the best individual season by a point guard ever.

Go back and look at 07-08, Kobe had like the 5th best case for MVP.
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ur gassing it.  cp3 yes but thats it.  people were making cases for paul pierce that yr so there goes kg and the cavs werent an elite team yet although they were about to be.  

yall gotta stop relying on stats so much.  its ok if u dont remember 
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Regarding the nba MVP talk. There's been a ton of mvp's over the years.

Out of all those MVP's only 1 has the distinction to never have played in the finals his entire career. 2 if you count Derrick rose but he's only played 4 seasons in his career and missed almost the entire playoffs in his 4th season in 2012

Can anyone guess who that might be that's played his entire 17 season career and never sniffed the finals even once.
 
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CP3 got fleeced in '08 :smh:
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im saying for that award and the playoff series spurs got an extra 2 days off somehow :smh:
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I feel like CP3 and Kobe were neck and neck until late in the season when they played each other at Staples. The Lakers beat the Hornets (by a lot I think), which sealed the deal. Not that one game should decide the MVP award or anything.
 
They were a year behind on the awards dirk should of win the year Nash won his second and Kobe should of won the year dirk won
 
Cedric Ceballos said:
Regarding the nba MVP talk. There's been a ton of mvp's over the years.

Out of all those MVP's only 1 has the distinction to never have played in the finals his entire career. 2 if you count Derrick rose but he's only played 4 seasons in his career and missed almost the entire playoffs in his 4th season in 2012

Can anyone guess who that might be that's played his entire 17 season career and never sniffed the finals even once.
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A Suns/Nash fan will come back and say he would have been if not for that horrendous call in the Spurs series.

You guys can go back and forth with it all day and still get no where.
 
Proshares said:
A Suns/Nash fan will come back and say he would have been if not for that horrendous call in the Spurs series.

You guys can go back and forth with it all day and still get no where.
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That's arguable but San Antonio had already taken a game in Phoenix and was looking like the better team most of that series before that incident.

Still that was one of the biggest emotional brain farts how they reacted late in game 4. They just tied the series, had 2 of the potential final 3 at home and lose their one of their best players for game 5 because he couldn't handle his emotions knowing what the nba rule for leaving the bench was.

That said San Antonio was the better team, better coached team and knew how to step it up in the playoffs. I think they woulda won that series regardless if amare didn't get suspended. Only team that coulda beat San Antonio that year was Dallas and they played their worst possible matchup in the first round.
 
I am a big Laker fan and Kobe has been the quintessential Laker during the last decade so I defend him. I am not a Kobe fan boy either.

The way I see the situation with Kobe Bryant and his only winning one MVP is that the press did not like Kobe and they took full advantage of the vague and very fluid criteria used for league MVP to deny it to him.

In 2006 and 2007, he had two of the best offensive seasons in league history and he got a a pair of otherwise awful teams into the playoffs. The 2006-2007 team, talent poor as it was was in forth place in a tough and deep Western conference around mid season. The injuries mounted and Kobe Bryant was in position where he had to score 30 to have a chance of winning and 40 to have a decent chance of winning.

Despite his individual brilliance and his ability to get the most that he or anyone else could get from a team that started Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Maurice Evans and Vladimir Radmonovich. The press said that unless you have an elite regular season record, you have no chance to win an MVP. That sounded reasonable but than, inconveniently, his teams started to win and win big.

In 2008, the press had to bite the bullet and grant him league MVP but they vowed it would be his first last and only award. Despite winning 66 games in the brutal Western Conference in 2009 and getting the best record in 2010 as well, the press decided it would prematurely Crown LeBron as King and anoint him before his time truly arrived.

The press in 2011, showed that its capricious behavior was not limited to Kobe Bryant. because of "The Decision," King James became Henry II, his unwillingness to be more deferential in Free Agency was his Thomas a Backet moment and the Press, acting as the high clergy of Sport Culture, placed him under interdiction for one Season. Derrick Rose stealing his first legitimate MVP was his penance.

Due to the politics of MVP selections, Kobe Bryant was shorted two to three MVP's and LeBron James, barring a major injury or falling out of the good graces of the press again, will likely win more leaue MVP than anyone else. He will probably have seven or eight MVP's more than Jordan, more than Kareem. Unfortunately for the sake of the award reflecting on actual performance those two premature award in 2009, 2010 came at the expense of Kobe Bryant.

One of the best players ever, in his prime, winning games and championships was denied his league MVPs and now Kobe is old, his body is broken down and LeBron James is now winning MVP's which he unquestionably deserves. Combined with using Shaq and than Steve Nash and than Dirk during Kobe's other Prime years, the press managed its goal of limited Kobe Bryant to just one league MVP.
 
JD617 said:
There are so many things wrong with that post, starting with this.

I am not a Kobe fan boy either.
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Rex has to be on Water. :smh:

Yeah, he got robbed, but it definitely was NOT those two years. The two years he was undoubtably the MVP were his teams worst years hence he didn't win, any other year I don't see how you can make a stronger argument for him winning the award of LBJ. Sorry.
 
their numbers may be the same but that doesn't change the fact that Peyton Manning is the most overhyped, overrated slurped qb of our generation.

great regular season qb but a playoff choke artist.    the guy gets a pass the first time around and hell you can make an excuse for him the second time but when it becomes a recurring thing the guy is a proven choke artist. Teams led by him have lost at home in the playoffs when their favored to win 5 times.   4 of those when they had a 1st round bye,  2 of them as the number 1 seed.

his teams have lost to teams they had no business losing to in the playoffs.      2000 wild card game against the dolphins,  2002 wild card game against the jets (shouldn't have been as one sided as it was with such a great qb behind center),  2005 divisional round loss to 6 seeded pittsburgh (peyton was aided by a missed call by the refs on a troy polamalu interception that should've sealed that game early in the 4th quarter),  2007 divisional round, losing to a chargers team that was without phillip rivers and tomlinson for a decent stretch of the 2nd half, 2008 losing to the 8-8 chargers after finishing the season on a 9 game winning streak,  2010, wild card round, losing to the 6 seed jets, peyton couldn't make the plays so they could run the clock down and kick a winning field goal with no time left, mark sanchez of all people proceeds to make a few plays to put his team in field goal range to get the win,  2012 divisional round against baltimore, a team they blew out in baltimore a few weeks back while on an 11 game win streak,  throws a crucial pick in overtime and was aided by big plays from his special teams to even be in overtime to begin with.

a team led by him lost to an 8-8 chargers team,   got smacked 41-0 by the jets of all teams, and lost to a jay fiedler led team in the playoffs.

mr. manning is a choke job waiting to happen.     i'll bump this sometime in january when they again lose to a team they have no business losing to in the playoffs.
 
Cedric Ceballos said:
their numbers may be the same but that doesn't change the fact that Peyton Manning is the most overhyped, overrated slurped qb of our generation.

great regular season qb but a playoff choke artist.    the guy gets a pass the first time around and hell you can make an excuse for him the second time but when it becomes a recurring thing the guy is a proven choke artist. Teams led by him have lost at home in the playoffs when their favored to win 5 times.   4 of those when they had a 1st round bye,  2 of them as the number 1 seed.

his teams have lost to teams they had no business losing to in the playoffs.      2000 wild card game against the dolphins,  2002 wild card game against the jets (shouldn't have been as one sided as it was with such a great qb behind center),  2005 divisional round loss to 6 seeded pittsburgh (peyton was aided by a missed call by the refs on a troy polamalu interception that should've sealed that game early in the 4th quarter),  2007 divisional round, losing to a chargers team that was without phillip rivers and tomlinson for a decent stretch of the 2nd half, 2008 losing to the 8-8 chargers after finishing the season on a 9 game winning streak,  2010, wild card round, losing to the 6 seed jets, peyton couldn't make the plays so they could run the clock down and kick a winning field goal with no time left, mark sanchez of all people proceeds to make a few plays to put his team in field goal range to get the win,  2012 divisional round against baltimore, a team they blew out in baltimore a few weeks back while on an 11 game win streak,  throws a crucial pick in overtime and was aided by big plays from his special teams to even be in overtime to begin with.

a team led by him lost to an 8-8 chargers team,   got smacked 41-0 by the jets of all teams, and lost to a jay fiedler led team in the playoffs.

mr. manning is a choke job waiting to happen.     i'll bump this sometime in january when they again lose to a team they have no business losing to in the playoffs.
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Tom Brady Got smacked by Baltimore twice... lost to MARK SANCHEZ..... and the only time he had to go into indy he lost. it goes on and on. Sorry fam your unjust hate for Manning is a joke. Why don't you bring up that garbage play that should've ended that Baltimore game, huh? pipe down.
 
caleb4god said:
assyrianplaya said:
But Manning and Brady's playoff number are nearly identical after spygate.....
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if asante samuel or wes welker could catch Brady would have 5 superbowl rings. i guess 3 aint bad tho huh?
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People keep bringing up Spygate as if the Patriots have fallen off the face of the earth post Spygate. It's been AFC championship game or Superbowl appearance almost every year in NE since then. If you think taping signals from the endzone or sideline versus from the coaches booth gave them that big of an advantage, you're crazy. Especially when HOF coaches have come out and said that it wasn't a factor, or that taping signals like they did wasn't anything new. The fact of the matter is that the year they got punished, they went on to have one of the most impressive seasons ever, blowing teams out left and right, and forcing people to cry about them running up the score. All without "cheating".

The reason the Patriots have lost in those big spots since then isn't anything other than the same formula that always beats them, and any high powered passing offense. A strong pass rush and clogging up the middle of the field. It's simple. It beats most of the aerial attacks. Has nothing to do with pre or post Spygate. 
 
assyrianplaya said:
Tom Brady Got smacked by Baltimore twice... lost to MARK SANCHEZ..... and the only time he had to go into indy he lost. it goes on and on. Sorry fam your unjust hate for Manning is a joke. Why don't you bring up that garbage play that should've ended that Baltimore game, huh? pipe down.
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hate is usually the words the kids call things that they disagree with these days.

im no brady fan but brady >peyton by far.

last i remembered, tom brady is 2-1 against manning in the playoffs.
 
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People keep bringing up Spygate as if the Patriots have fallen off the face of the earth post Spygate. It's been AFC championship game or Superbowl appearance almost every year in NE since then. If you think taping signals from the endzone or sideline versus from the coaches booth gave them that big of an advantage, you're crazy. Especially when HOF coaches have come out and said that it wasn't a factor, or that taping signals like they did wasn't anything new. The fact of the matter is that the year they got punished, they went on to have one of the most impressive seasons ever, blowing teams out left and right, and forcing people to cry about them running up the score. All without "cheating".

The reason the Patriots have lost in those big spots since then isn't anything other than the same formula that always beats them, and any high powered passing offense. A strong pass rush and clogging up the middle of the field. It's simple. It beats most of the aerial attacks. Has nothing to do with pre or post Spygate. 
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Well, they haven't had a good defense since Spygate, which may have influenced their shift to ultra-heavy vertical passing.
 
assyrianplaya said:
Tom Brady Got smacked by Baltimore twice... lost to MARK SANCHEZ..... and the only time he had to go into indy he lost. it goes on and on. Sorry fam your unjust hate for Manning is a joke. Why don't you bring up that garbage play that should've ended that Baltimore game, huh? pipe down.
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peyton put up 0 point against the jets in the playoffs ...he has 9 one and dones , he completed 45 percent of his throws againts the titans

in one of those.....and loss too a .500 team in another

tom brady won his first 10 playoff starts and is tied for the highest playoff winning percentage of all time

he lost to the superbowl champs last year in the afc championship game  and the year before that in the superbowl ....while playing with one of the worse defenses in the league....

alot of patriot fans in the previous patriot season threads can be quoted  as saying we're not looking forward to the playoffs because this is one and done team and for good reason, those where dreadful defensive teams....i dont know how  people use tom's OVER achieving against him...

and mark sanchez was throwing against a horrible secondary ... tom to and elite defense , arguably the best defensive team that year

same with flacco "outplaying tom brady" when one is throwing against and elite defense and one to a horrible one
 
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It's no crazy record on either side. Hell Indy had their chances in the 2003 afc title game that coulda gone either way til New England put it away, 2006 New England had their chances while fhe 2004 divisional game was one sided

My gripe on Peyton manning is that he underachieves in the playoffs regularly and needs another Super Bowl win to cement his legacy to me. He'll go down as one of the greatest qb's regardless but I think history is going to paint a picture of him as a guy that had trouble winning the big game. His colts teams from 03-09 were stacked.
 
This deserved Mark Sanchez slander has to stop 
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.  Alright alright, I'm a Jets fan and I can't defend him anymore lol.
 
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