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CASH MONEY 1999 said:
peyton put up 0 point against the jets in the playoffs ...he has 9 one and dones , he completed 45 percent of his throws againts the titans
in one of those.....and loss too a .500 team in another

tom brady won his first 10 playoff starts and is tied for the highest playoff winning percentage of all time

he lost to the superbowl champs last year in the afc championship game  and the year before that in the superbowl ....while playing with one of the worse defenses in the league....


alot of patriot fans in the previous patriot season threads can be quoted  as saying we're not looking forward to the playoffs because this is one and done team and for good reason, those where dreadful defensive teams....i dont know how  people use tom's OVER achieving against him...


and mark sanchez was throwing against a horrible secondary ... tom to and elite defense , arguably the best defensive team that year

same with flacco "outplaying tom brady" when one is throwing against and elite defense and one to a horrible one
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tom brady is barely .500 after cheating though ...

peyton lost to the superbowl champs 2 of his last three appearances though... equal record as tom in the playoffs since 07. In fact outplayed Brady this year in the playoffs. You stay making excuses. Peyton is better than any qb of this era.
 
Spygate happened in 07 after week 1. Since then Brady has won 5 playoff games. 4 less then Peyton mannings entire 15 season career playoff total. He won playoff games in jan 08 after spygate, jan 12, and jan 13.

Both Peyton and Brady missed entire seasons during this stretch. Brady 08, manning 11 so that evens out.

Meanwhile during this same stretch, manning has 2 playoff wins, both in 09 against 2 9-7 teams. If shonn Greene never gets hurt and the jets don't give up a huge play before halftime, perhaps the game plays out differently as once their run game went down they got shutout. Indy won that game though but when they went against a stronger team in the Super Bowl they took the L.

If you wanna win regular season games and flame out in the playoffs then peytons your guy.

But if I need to win 1 big game, among active qb's I'd pick Brady, Rodgers, or Bree's over him, hell give me Eli also even though he's not as good a regular season qb as his brother he gets the job done when it counts.
 
JJ Watt said:
It's kinda funny how Eli's is average then amazing during the playoffs and Peyton is amazing during the regular season and average during the playoffs.
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Yeah..its called being a choke artist.
 
assyrianplaya said:
tom brady is barely .500 after cheating though ...

peyton lost to the superbowl champs 2 of his last three appearances though... equal record as tom in the playoffs since 07. In fact outplayed Brady this year in the playoffs. You stay making excuses. Peyton is better than any qb of this era.
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outplayed brady in the playoffs you say? how did denver do in the championship game? oh thats right...
 
caleb4god said:
outplayed brady in the playoffs you say? how did denver do in the championship game? oh thats right...
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So a bomb from god doesnt happen and they win.....Peyton did his job right? The defense blew that one, but since you have an agenda its Peyton's fault. But for tom brady its everyone elses fault. get over it... Tom is MUCH more a product of Belicheck than he is a GOAT. What do you think happens post spygate if Manning is the qb of the pats?
 
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caleb4god said:
outplayed brady in the playoffs you say? how did denver do in the championship game? oh thats right...
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So a bomb from god doesnt happen and they win.....Peyton did his job right? The defense blew that one, but since you have an agenda its Peyton's fault. But for tom brady its everyone elses fault. get over it... Tom is MUCH more a product of Belicheck than he is a GOAT. What do you think happens post spygate if Manning is the qb of the pats?
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what other QB has bill developed? people acting like he was an offensive genius before NE or before brady :rofl:

and if you say matt cassel...you clearly don't watch closely enough
 
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caleb4god said:
Yeah..its called being a choke artist.
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While Peyton is no Montana, I refuse to degrade him with a term like choke artist. I don't know when winning a championship wasn't enough for people but it sure used to be (and still should be)
 
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DeadsetAce said:
what other QB has bill developed? people acting like he was an offensive genius before NE or before brady :rofl:

and if you say matt cassel...you clearly don't watch closely enough
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the team went 11-5 and he was a + qb in that system....
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like i said...you didn't watch closely enough. same lazy and tired "evidence": the team went 11-5 without brady :lol:

you left out:
a) 7 win drop off
b) didn't win the division
c) missed playoffs
d) had the easiest schedule in the league (playing the AFC west and NFC west...which at the time were both garbage)

all with the same "system"

like i said, if you believe anyone can do what tom brady does in NE, you're not watching close enough.
 
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like i said...you didn't watch closely enough. same lazy and tired "evidence": the team went 11-5 without brady :lol:

you left out:
a) 7 win drop off
b) didn't win the division
c) missed playoffs
d) had the easiest schedule in the league (playing the AFC west and NFC west...which at the time were both garbage)

all with the same "system"

like i said, if you believe anyone can do what tom brady does in NE, you're not watching close enough.
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The disrespect Brady get in here is insane :x
 
DeadsetAce said:
like i said...you didn't watch closely enough. same lazy and tired "evidence": the team went 11-5 without brady :lol:

you left out:
a) 7 win drop off
b) didn't win the division
c) missed playoffs
d) had the easiest schedule in the league (playing the AFC west and NFC west...which at the time were both garbage)

all with the same "system"

like i said, if you believe anyone can do what tom brady does in NE, you're not watching close enough.
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Youre grasping at straws.... what im saying is a bum who never started a college game walked onto that field and had a 63.4% comp, threw for 3700 yards and went 21-11 td/int.

Tom Brady isnt a bum, in fact hes a legend... he just isnt Peyton Manning.

Over here acting like you are in an nfl film room.:lol:
 
:lol: you can read a career stat sheet, congrats

i didn't mention anything about film, mechanics, reads, etc...nice diversion tho :lol:

and i'm not saying one is clearly better than the other. i'm saying to say brady is a system QB or a product of belichick is beyond ridiculous. in my mind, the difference between those two QBs is negligible.
 
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dmxfury said:
caleb4god said:
Yeah..its called being a choke artist.
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While Peyton is no Montana, I refuse to degrade him with a term like choke artist. I don't know when winning a championship wasn't enough for people but it sure used to be (and still should be)
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Kobe4MVP12 said:
The disrespect Brady get in here is insane
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Both of these points are true. Both of these QBs are being disrespected by people in here.

Both are great and both will go down as best in class of their era. 
 
assyrianplaya said:
So a bomb from god doesnt happen and they win.....Peyton did his job right? The defense blew that one, but since you have an agenda its Peyton's fault. But for tom brady its everyone elses fault. get over it... Tom is MUCH more a product of Belicheck than he is a GOAT. What do you think happens post spygate if Manning is the qb of the pats?
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If Peyton did his job they wouldn't only be up by 7 that late. Hell if anything his special teams bailed him out that game. Its convientely forgotten that Denver returned both a punt and kickoff for a touchdown in that game. Bottom line is mr. Manning lost another home playoff game that Saturday night.

If you wanna mention the flacco pass to tie the game late in the 4th that's. freak play that have Baltimore 7 points. Denver scored 14 off of special teams plays. Have all those cancel eachother out and Baltimore wins that game in regulation by 7.
 
It's sad one of them can't be complimented without it being taken as 'disrespectful' to the other. That's a generational trait
 
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DeadsetAce said:
:lol: you can read a career stat sheet, congrats

i didn't mention anything about film, mechanics, reads, etc...nice diversion tho :lol:

and i'm not saying one is clearly better than the other. i'm saying to say brady is a system QB or a product of belichick is beyond ridiculous. in my mind, the difference between those two QBs is negligible.
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i said he is much more of a product than he is a goat.... though he is the second best of this generation.

you on the other hand have become a film expert and you clearly stated that Brady was better... you saw first hand what the loss of manning does to the organization. Brady's loss on the other hand still had a guy produce good numbers. Brady won titles 3/4 years.... years people don't even talk about when it comes to his play. why? because it was the team that won those chips, not just Brady.

The difference is not negligible, Peyton's numbers TRASH Tom's. Whether it be in the playoffs or regular season. Peyton has only gone under 4000 yards 2 times in his career for gods sake.
 
So is Drew Brees a product of Sean Payton and his system? Brees gaudy numbers didnt start until he came to New Orleans. The team was terrible without Payton at the helm. Opinions?
 
assyrianplaya said:
DeadsetAce said:
:lol: you can read a career stat sheet, congrats

i didn't mention anything about film, mechanics, reads, etc...nice diversion tho :lol:

and i'm not saying one is clearly better than the other. i'm saying to say brady is a system QB or a product of belichick is beyond ridiculous. in my mind, the difference between those two QBs is negligible.
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i said he is much more of a product than he is a goat.... though he is the second best of this generation.

you on the other hand have become a film expert and you clearly stated that Brady was better... you saw first hand what the loss of manning does to the organization. Brady's loss on the other hand still had a guy produce good numbers. Brady won titles 3/4 years.... years people don't even talk about when it comes to his play. why? because it was the team that won those chips, not just Brady.

The difference is not negligible, Peyton's numbers TRASH Tom's. Whether it be in the playoffs or regular season. Peyton has only gone under 4000 yards 2 times in his career for gods sake.
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numbers alone don't mean ****. you need to learn that.

and where did i say brady is clearly better? you just quoted me saying that the difference is negligible. try again. i'll wait.
 
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DeadsetAce said:
numbers alone don't mean ****. you need to learn that.
 
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Deadset is absolutely right.  Numbers without context mean absolutely nothing.  For instance, without context, most people would agree that 50 is more impressive than 49.
 
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dland24 said:
DeadsetAce said:
numbers alone don't mean ****. you need to learn that.

 
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Deadset is absolutely right.  Numbers without context mean absolutely nothing.  For instance, without context, most people would agree that 50 is more impressive than 49.
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:lol:

you had to throw in that last sentence and example :lol:

but yeah...the context needs to be factored in. which is why you can't say matt cassel's 11-5 season alone makes brady MORE a product of belichick. doesn't work.
 
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you had to throw in that last sentence and example :lol:

but yeah...the context needs to be factored in. which is why you can't say matt cassel's 11-5 season alone makes brady MORE a product of belichick. doesn't work.
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They had a first placeschedule, no matter how easy. Only the chargers scored more points that year in the afc. There is your context.
 
Nash in 06. Without a question it should have been Kobe.

A team of Kwame Brown, Smush, Vujacic, Odom, Luke Walton wouldnt even make the playoff in the East let alone the West.

Kobe had to carry the offensive load so much it's not even fair.

The Lakers played in a tough conference and Kobe nearly defeat the whole Phoenix Suns team by himself that year in the first round.

Without a question. The real MVP should have been Kobe. Without Nash the Phoenix would still be an 8th or 9th seed team on the West however without Kobe the Lakers would have won like 10 games max for the whole season.
 
RetroBaller said:
Dustin Pedroia in 08. Award was so meh that year. Youkilis had a better year on the same team.
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from what i remember he went on an absolute tear to end the year and batted clean up during that span. thats what won him the award.
 
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