Originally Posted by nathanaguilar
Originally Posted by red mpls
I live in the hood in Chicago so I'm used to the hood
Like I said, I've never been to Flint. I just included it in the discussion based on what I've heard and the statistics I've seen on their homicide rate.
I've spent time in East St. Louis, Gary, and Camden. Essentially, if you take the very worst parts of cities like Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, etc. you get an idea of what these entire cities
East St. Louis is just on a whole different level in my eyes, and the statistics speak to that fact, as well. I have family in East St. Louis and am there at least two or three times a year. I've never had an issue there, but you gotta understand and respect your environment, especially in these places...
Totally agree with you I lived in St Louis for the past two years. It is really turning into an up and coming city. Like I posted in another thread these cities are the little brother to the big cities. St Louis has East Stl, Philly Has Camden, Indianapolis has Gary, LA has Compton, and to some extent I think NY had he Bronx. These town's had many factories to supply the big cities with what they needed. They were great places to live for the working class because there were jobs. But the result of these factories has been a large amounts of waste the factories produced, but they were the little brother so its wasnt a big deal. Then All the factories left and so did a large percentage of the population and the jobs left. Leaving the cities in shambles and are now headed by corrupt people. I can see the need for these communities to be gentrified but i dont think that will ever happen.
Gary is actually a Chicago suburb, but you definitely have the right idea. The main thing about these smaller cities is that they relied disproportionately on industrial employment, even in comparison to the larger cities to which they were connected which themselves depended heavily on these factory jobs. As U.S. center cities were de-industrialized starting in the 1950s, but especially in the 1970s, some of these larger cities were able to effectively diversify their economies to accommodate this transition. However, many of these larger cities, including most notably Detroit and St. Louis, were largely unable to do so. Some of these smaller cities were even less able to do so as they were often almost entirely reliant on industrial blue-collar employment. East St. Louis, Gary, and Camden embody the very harshest effects of these dynamics.
In addition the white power structures in these cities, as well as cities like Detroit and Newark, essentially abandoned these cities in the face of increasing Black migration and white flight in a way that they never abandoned other cities, like Chicago, Philly, New York, DC, etc.
Obviously, other factors have contributed to the dramatic and tragic declines of these cities, as well but these are probably two of the most salient...