Condo developers build separate entrances for lower income residents

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[h1]Locals Outraged That UWS Luxury Condo Will Have Separate Entrance For Poor People[/h1]

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Upper West Side community board members are outraged that a new luxury condo will have separate entrances for people living in affordable housing units in the building.

The 33-floor condo building is slated for construction at 40 Riverside Boulevard between 61st and 62nd Streets. The building will include five floors of affordable housing (55 out of 274 units) for people who are making 60% or less of area median income to rent. But there'll also be separate entrances and elevators for those residents: "This ‘separate but equal’ arrangement is abominable and has no place in the 21st century, let alone on the Upper West Side,” Assemblymember Linda B. Rosenthal told West Side Rag.

“A mandatory affordable housing plan is not license to segregate lower-income tenants from those who are well-off," she added. "The developer must follow the spirit as well the letter of the law when building affordable housing, and this plan is clearly not what was intended by the community." West Side Rag compared the arrangement to servants and nobles quarters in Downton Abbey, while the Post labelled it "Class Doorfare."

But this kind of housing arrangement is actually quite common. The building is owned by Extell Development Company, who are applying for the city's Inclusionary Housing Program: Extell pays for the whole low income housing section of the building, but get the bonus of more floor area, which they then add to their market rate units. They are able to completely cover their costs for all the low income housing and sell the bonus floor area to another building within a half-mile of the site.

According to the plan, “The affordable units will be on floors two through six in a ‘building segment’ which contains only the affordable units and has its own entrance as required by the Zoning Resolution.” The "building segment" means that Extell considers those units to be legally separate from the rest of the building (even though it's attached). In many of these kinds of cases, a non-for-profit organization will be brought in to run it, which means they are legally expected to have their own super, social worker, and entrances.

“I hate the visual of market-rate tenants going in one door and affordable tenants going in another, but that’s a visceral reaction,” Community Board 7 Chair Mark Diller told the Post. CB7 wrote a letter to the city Department of Planning and the Department of Housing Preservation and Development that asks the city to include “appropriate safeguards to avoid a situation in which the Affordable Housing tenants are relegated to the status of second class citizens.” You can see that letter below, via West Side Rag.

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Although this story is a few weeks old, it came up in the NYC thread while discussing gentrification. There are two sides to the ordeal that I can understand. On one end, as a developer, you're losing out on millions of dollars because of the mandate that came with the tax credits accepted. You have clients and residents that are in a higher tax bracket that don't want to want to live with people that may be on Section 8 and are getting similar units at literally a fraction of what they paid. On the other hand, should the people paying cheap rent be subject to segregation and being treated as if they were second class citizens because they aren't buying million dollar units? Mixed income housing doesn't work imo because of problems like this and the feelings that it'll cause among those that live within the space.
 
the article said they make their money back selling the extra floor space, so the separate entrance is literally for the "peace of mind" of the higher income residents? like they dont even want to see them inside the building?
 
Used to work at an upscale condo in the Upper West Side and they had a back entrance for employees/deliveries. Under no circumstance were we able to enter through the main door. Who said segregation is dead? Up theirs.
 
This isn't the only place that this is happening at NYC. Here's the link to the application to five buildings currently being developed. Do you qualify?

http://ny.curbed.com/places/500-west-30th-street

It was rumored but Bloomberg said they were not going to do that.
There are already developments that have these separate entrances. Not til now that something like this got publicity.
 
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Mixed emotions on this. Very mixed emotions indeed.

I can't quite sum it up in words. I guess I'll revisit this if I have an epiphany.
 
Okay, I'm going to write a movie about a dude who lives in the poor part and a girl who lives in the rich part. They meet and fall in love. Then the girls parents don't want her hanging around him but she sneaks away at night to meet him. Then some more stuff happens in between and he eventually dies because it turns out HER father is a drug king pin and one of his goons who sells meth in the lower income section is involved in a turf war and the dude ends up getting caught in the cross fire. She eventually finds out it's her father's fault that the dude she likes dies and her father is a hypocrite for not wanting them to be together in the first place. She does some more research and finds out (get ready for the twist) her MOTHER was from a poor area and her father (who was wealthy) married her. The the last scene is where she's at the police station with an accounting binder full of numbers from her father's business. The detective walks in and says.. "How can I help you?" She looks up at him, tears in her eyes, and says.. "I have some information that you might be interested in..." Camera fades to black..
 
Used to work at an upscale condo in the Upper West Side and they had a back entrance for employees/deliveries. Under no circumstance were we able to enter through the main door. Who said segregation is dead? Up theirs.
a lot of buildings in manhattan have that though

the building i work in has a front entrance on madison ave but there are also a couple of side entries for food delivery or just for convenience of the employee
 
Last building I lived in was like this. First 2 floors was section 8 apts, 3-4 were middle income partially subsidized apt units and the rest were condos. Condos had a separate entrance with different locks which led to a separate elevator which could not access the other floors and vice versa. Never really gave it much thought.
 
Last building I lived in was like this. First 2 floors was section 8 apts, 3-4 were middle income partially subsidized apt units and the rest were condos. Condos had a separate entrance with different locks which led to a separate elevator which could not access the other floors and vice versa. Never really gave it much thought.

I don't think anyone ACTUALLY cares. It's just another thing for people to complain about. I mean, how long have pent houses and certain floors had their own separate elevators? But I guess if it involves certain types of tenants, it's discrimination, right?
 
I don't think anyone ACTUALLY cares. It's just another thing for people to complain about. I mean, how long have pent houses and certain floors had their own separate elevators? But I guess if it involves certain types of tenants, it's discrimination, right?
A pent house having two different entrances and elevators that everyone has access to if necessary is similar to a entrance solely for poor people? Learn something new everyday.

"But I guess if it involves certain types of tenants, it's discrimination, right"

"Prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things."

Yeah you were right it is discrimination, foh.
 
Okay, I'm going to write a movie about a dude who lives in the poor part and a girl who lives in the rich part. They meet and fall in love. Then the girls parents don't want her hanging around him but she sneaks away at night to meet him. Then some more stuff happens in between and he eventually dies because it turns out HER father is a drug king pin and one of his goons who sells meth in the lower income section is involved in a turf war and the dude ends up getting caught in the cross fire. She eventually finds out it's her father's fault that the dude she likes dies and her father is a hypocrite for not wanting them to be together in the first place. She does some more research and finds out (get ready for the twist) her MOTHER was from a poor area and her father (who was wealthy) married her. The the last scene is where she's at the police station with an accounting binder full of numbers from her father's business. The detective walks in and says.. "How can I help you?" She looks up at him, tears in her eyes, and says.. "I have some information that you might be interested in..." Camera fades to black..
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I have mixed emotions about this. I recently found out that my neighbors are on housing. I go to work they are at home, I get off they are at home. I work to pay for my place while they live rent free. Then they play their music to the point I have to put my earplugs to sleep, so I can get up to go to work.
 
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