Condo developers build separate entrances for lower income residents

If you have a problem living near/around "lower" class people just live in a different building.

I don't know NYC well but I assume there's plenty of nice buildings without section 8 housing
 
thats a stupid comparison.


That's convenient, so you don't want homeless people around you but point fingers at others who don't want poor people around them? Ok buddy.

You're a idiot. There's a difference between a homeless person standing in front of my building/inside my building that they have put no money into and a person who pays rent in my building having to go through the back/side

Just for the record: I know two RNs that work at Columbia Presbyterian and make ~$95K/year.  Both have less than 5 years of experience.  An RN working in upstate NY will probably make $40-50K starting out, but starting salaries are generally $55-65K/year on Long Island and even more in the city.

But I digress...

How nice of you to use the #1 ranked hospital in the state of NY to talk about RN salaries :lol: What about the RN's from Bronx Lebanon? Harlem Hospital? That are the busiest hospitals because most people don't have health insurance? But I guess you're right
 
If you have a problem living near/around "lower" class people just live in a different building.

I don't know NYC well but I assume there's plenty of nice buildings without section 8 housing

Yeah, NYC is known for being able to just pick up and move where you want. One of the major perks.
 
If you have a problem living near/around "lower" class people just live in a different building.

I don't know NYC well but I assume there's plenty of nice buildings without section 8 housing

Yeah, NYC is known for being able to just pick up and move where you want. One of the major perks.

The building isn't open yet right? Just don't choose to live their in the first place. It's not like the people who would be paying full price are struggling for money
 
If you have a problem living near/around "lower" class people just live in a different building.

I don't know NYC well but I assume there's plenty of nice buildings without section 8 housing

Yeah, NYC is known for being able to just pick up and move where you want. One of the major perks.

The building isn't open yet right? Just don't choose to live their in the first place. It's not like the people who would be paying full price are struggling for money
The thing is the tenants aren't complaining about sharing their building with low income tenants. How would you even know which people are poor?It's the landlord who thinks he needs to appeal to rich people by in a way hiding the poor people. The building is open I believe
 
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k wait...


I'm Canadian and live in a luxury condo that I bought....

How does this work? excuse my ignorance but why would there be gov, housing in a condo? How could I be living beside someone who is on welfare/low income whilst I am in a certain tax bracket?
 
k wait...


I'm Canadian and live in a luxury condo that I bought....

How does this work? excuse my ignorance but why would there be gov, housing in a condo? How could I be living beside someone who is on welfare/low income whilst I am in a certain tax bracket?

I think the lux towers came after the affordable housing was already in place.

IMO, people are beyond dumb for copping there. If you got the millions to buy for the price they're asking at this development, then you probably got the funds to live elsewhere in the city - where there is less of an issue at hand.
 
someone school me on why is this such a big deal?  Isn't this scenario like:

- Premier Seating vs General Admission on airplanes, concerts, etc?  If you paid extra $$$ you get the full experience.  If you went the GROUPON route, expect it to have a downgrade ie, blackout dates, limited seating, heavy restrictions, etc
 
People talking like "affordable" in new york isn't still more than the average out of towner. These aint vagrants.
 
someone school me on why is this such a big deal?  Isn't this scenario like:

- Premier Seating vs General Admission on airplanes, concerts, etc?  If you paid extra $$$ you get the full experience.  If you went the GROUPON route, expect it to have a downgrade ie, blackout dates, limited seating, heavy restrictions, etc

Because you are made aware of what you're getting when you purchase said flight/concert ticket. I don't believe their lease says you are going through the side entrance to make the tenants who pay full price comfortable.
 
k wait...


I'm Canadian and live in a luxury condo that I bought....

How does this work? excuse my ignorance but why would there be gov, housing in a condo? How could I be living beside someone who is on welfare/low income whilst I am in a certain tax bracket?

I think the lux towers came after the affordable housing was already in place.
Not always the case. There is a tax credit for this so some people might build a building with the higher floors for more the more wealthy and the bottom floors be available to lower income people so they're eligible for the tax credit
 
Just a update, I guess the poor people are going around back

The City of New York approved a proposal by one of the largest real estate developers in the city to build in a 'poor door', or a separate door for residents living in affordable housing to enter their building.
According to a Saturday report from the New York Post, the city approved the application of Extell, one of the most prominent developers in New York, to install this separate set of doors into a high-rise located on 40 Riverside Boulevard, a location situated next to the Hudson River.
Extell's proposal allows them to force affordable housing tenants to walk through an entrance located in a back alley behind the building to enter, leaving the more prominent front entrance for tenants paying for nicer apartments.
A view of the high-rises lining Riverside Boulevard, in New York. The city has approved an application by prominent developer Extell to install a 'poor door', or a separate door for tenants living in affordable housing to enter the building through
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A view of the high-rises lining Riverside Boulevard, in New York. The city has approved an application by prominent developer Extell to install a 'poor door', or a separate door for tenants living in affordable housing to enter the building through
Under the Inclusionary Housing Program, for which the city approved Nextell's application, larger properties are allowed to be built as long as they include a portion of affordable housing units.
For the 40 Riverside Boulevard location, 55 units will be designated as affordable housing, all units facing the street. Another 219 units will face the river.
A spokesman for the NYC Department of Housing Preservation and Development confirmed that the agency had approved Extell’s application for the Inclusionary Housing Program.
Despite the approval of this application, the New York Post reports that Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer vowed to reject future developments with separate entrances.
Extell applied to the Inclusionary Housing program in August 2013, which drew the ire of many critics, including Christine Quinn, who was running for Mayor at the time. Quinn called for a change of laws to force developers to provide common entrances for all occupants.
However, some developers dismiss the outcry over the 'poor door' concept.
'No one ever said that the goal was full integration of these populations,' David Von Spreckelsen, senior vice president at Toll Brothers, another developer specializing in luxury residencies, told The Real Deal in 2013. 'So now you have politicians talking about that, saying how horrible those back doors are. I think it’s unfair to expect very high-income homeowners who paid a fortune to live in their building to have to be in the same boat as low-income renters, who are very fortunate to live in a new building in a great neighborhood.'
Toll Brothers developed the high-rise at 1 Northshore Pier, a luxury building in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. This building purpotedly includes a 'poor door.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-living-affordable-housing.html#ixzz38ArwZ1gH
 
The shots he takes at lower income people should stick out more than the poor door. All of this could have been avoided if they would have paid the taxes and didn't have their hands out for breaks. Disgusting.
 
To be fair the low income tenants lucky enough to land these apartments should look at this as a small price to pay, if I was in their shoes I wouldn't care much, I'm practically living in an apt worth millions for what I would pay living in the crappiest part of the Bronx, the upper citizens wanna feel almighty?...let them be, I'll gladly take my seperate entrance if that's what it takes to have an apt there for a couple of hundred a month...
 
I can't say I wouldn't feel a certain type of way if I busted my **** day in and out to make something of myself in order to be able to afford to live in one of those luxury apt paying what they are worth market value and have my neighbor literally surviving off my tax dollars and paying 10x less for practically the same apt, just isn't fair bros...same goes for medical insurance...why is it my insurance is half as efficient as Medicaid and costs me 300$ a month to have?....

:wow:
 
I'd gladly go through the "Poor Door" to live on the Upper West side for $1,000/month
 
Using poor people for a tax break, that's cute .. landlord must be a nonprofit organization.

If you want to separate rich and poor then give the poor the weakest floor plans with the least amount of amenities. Make them pay a extra monthly fee if they want to use the gym, clubhouse, storage, etc. Which I'm sure they did already if they are concerned about a rich and a poor person being on the same elevator.
 
the part that I dont get, especially in this forum is everyone automatically thinks if you are on section 8 you are either ghetto, poor, or you are too lazy to work. But for most of the people who collect vouchers(the ones that get to move to areas like this) requirements are different. In order to get a voucher for section 8, at least in va you must be gainfully employed, pass a drug test, and have 0 complaints as a tenant on your housing record. So these people who might not make the money that others make shouldnt be treated like second class citizens for no reason. The developer is not only getting a tax break, but they are collecting checks from HUD. Like they are eating on both ends off of these "poor" people. Stop drinking the kool-aid guys.
 
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To be fair the low income tenants lucky enough to land these apartments should look at this as a small price to pay, if I was in their shoes I wouldn't care much, I'm practically living in an apt worth millions for what I would pay living in the crappiest part of the Bronx, the upper citizens wanna feel almighty?...let them be, I'll gladly take my seperate entrance if that's what it takes to have an apt there for a couple of hundred a month...

So my question is where does it stop for you? where do you draw the line? would you let someone smack your mother for money? would you let someone sleep with your girl if he paid you? So lets take away your dignity for gain or profit, because hey its only a small proce to pay right? Smh.



I'd gladly go through the "Poor Door" to live on the Upper West side for $1,000/month

same goes for you why would you be willing to do this? Because you can claim a "status"? So we can tell people I live in the UWS? Again, where do you draw the line if I may ask?
 
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the part that I dont get, especially in this form is everyone automatically thinks if you are on section 8 you are either ghetto, poor, or you are too lazy to work. But for most of the people who collect vouchers(the ones that get to move to areas like this) requirements are different. In order to get a voucher for section 8, at least in va you must be gainfully employed, pass a drug test, and have 0 complaints as a tenant on your housing record. So these people who might not make the money that others make shouldnt be treated like second class citizens for no reason. The developer is not only getting a tax break, but they are collecting checks from HUD. Like they are eating on both ends off of these "poor" people. Stop drinking the kool-aid guys.

The requirements for your applications to even get looked at for this apartment was you have to make close to 40K. They're "poor" though. It's rational that a person making a honest living above poverty has to go to different door to appease young Becky whose mom sent her to NYC to go to Columbia for journalism :lol: :x
 
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