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lol @ this thread. went from ranking actors to analyzing Monaghan's butt on the same page.

8 episodes is perfect. an extended finale would be nice. they've said season 2 will deal with "the secret occult history of the United States transportation system." and it'll be in socal most likely. I have no clue what history they're referencing. perhaps the corruption highlighted in "Who framed Roger Rabbit"?

RustyShackleford said:

 

calikev34 said:

8 episodes was the right length for me. Gimme a 2-hour finale and then it's perfect.
Also, idk about you guys, but I started watching TD when the first 5 episodes were out.
Which meant I had to wait weeks to watch the last three... and then I wondered why I thought the series lost steam.
What I'm saying is I prefer to binge watch when I want so I can really dive into it.

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Yeah i did the same and regretted it. I started getting into the theories and it ruined the surprise of Errol being the Yellow King.

Next season if it is 8 weeks, I might just wait. Much better veiwing experience.

I watched Spartacus S1 in one weekend and that was so

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When you binge watch you lose the experience of weekly discussions and theory building.  The show loses it's community viewing aspects and suffers for it.

House of Cards is designed for binge watching and excels at that medium, but how many reddit/slate/niketalk articles did you read about the show while watching?

It's two totally different viewing experiences, and I'm not sure True Detective would be as praised if people never had a chance to pause and develop these wild (off base) theories.  It'd just be an 8 hour detective procedural.

whywesteppin said:

lol @ this thread. went from ranking actors to analyzing Monaghan's butt on the same page.

8 episodes is perfect. an extended finale would be nice. they've said season 2 will deal with "the secret occult history of the United States transportation system." and it'll be in socal most likely. I have no clue what history they're referencing. perhaps the corruption highlighted in "Who framed Roger Rabbit"?

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maybe dealing with the same reason the trollies and street cars disappeared from nyc.

car company lobbying/bribes etc.  the same thing happened in la if i'm not mistaken.

p.s. is maggie's butt the yellow king?

she did drive them both mad in the end, and even when he thought he'd died, marty awoke to maggie and her cakes at his bedside.  back in his life.  who knows maybe they'd even rekindle something after? 

"death is not the end... [of the yambz.]"

does the old black lady go to jail for her connection to carcosa too? was she there? had she seen what they did? did she know everything?

Safe to say this Sunday night without new TD was .

AK Nako said:

RustyShackleford said:

 

calikev34 said:

8 episodes was the right length for me. Gimme a 2-hour finale and then it's perfect.

Also, idk about you guys, but I started watching TD when the first 5 episodes were out.

Which meant I had to wait weeks to watch the last three... and then I wondered why I thought the series lost steam.

What I'm saying is I prefer to binge watch when I want so I can really dive into it.

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Yeah i did the same and regretted it. I started getting into the theories and it ruined the surprise of Errol being the Yellow King.


Next season if it is 8 weeks, I might just wait. Much better veiwing experience.


I watched Spartacus S1 in one weekend and that was so

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When you binge watch you lose the experience of weekly discussions and theory building.  The show loses it's community viewing aspects and suffers for it.

House of Cards is designed for binge watching and excels at that medium, but how many reddit/slate/niketalk articles did you read about the show while watching?

It's two totally different viewing experiences, and I'm not sure True Detective would be as praised if people never had a chance to pause and develop these wild (off base) theories.  It'd just be an 8 hour detective procedural.

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Brah the "community" just turn out to be a ton of people on the net circlejerking one another. And foolish me grabbed a bottle of lube and joined right in. Every thread on Reddit was a damn theory. That's what the entire community was about.

Breaking Bad's discussions were way better, there was lulz, gifs, theories, tons of stuff.

Reading theories ruined the surprise of Errol, and had dudes expecting some 6th Sense twist. This show is built for binge watching because it is short, and the story pushes forward in every episode.

macbk said:

Safe to say this Sunday night without new TD was .

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But the sequel, Cosmos, was on...

RustyShackleford said:

AK Nako said:

When you binge watch you lose the experience of weekly discussions and theory building.  The show loses it's community viewing aspects and suffers for it.

House of Cards is designed for binge watching and excels at that medium, but how many reddit/slate/niketalk articles did you read about the show while watching?

It's two totally different viewing experiences, and I'm not sure True Detective would be as praised if people never had a chance to pause and develop these wild (off base) theories.  It'd just be an 8 hour detective procedural.

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Brah the "community" just turn out to be a ton of people on the net circlejerking one another. And foolish me grabbed a bottle of lube and joined right in. Every thread on Reddit was a damn theory. That's what the entire community was about.

Breaking Bad's discussions were way better, there was lulz, gifs, theories, tons of stuff.

Reading theories ruined the surprise of Errol, and had dudes expecting some 6th Sense twist. This show is built for binge watching because it is short, and the story pushes forward in every episode.

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It depends. Discussing things ad nauseam between episodes can be both good and bad.

With Lost, we had massive discussions on here with tons of theories and speculation. The discussions themselves were entertaining, but ultimately they detracted from the show because there was no way it could match expectations.

On the other hand, with True Detective, I didn't bother reading any theories as I watched. While I missed out on the fun of the circlejerk, the actual act of watching the show was more enjoyable. Reading this thread about how each little detail was more than a coincidence that could then be hyperinterpreted to give away the killer and then doing pixel-by-pixel analysis of Monaghan's butt to see if it jiggles in a way consistent with her physique or if instead is CGI or actually another girl was not going to add my enjoyment of the show.

p.s. is maggie's butt the yellow king?

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Thanks for spoiling season 2.

I just rewatched the stashhouse episode again.... Everything about that scene is PERFECT.

MrONegative said:

macbk said:

Safe to say this Sunday night without new TD was .

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But the sequel, Cosmos, was on...

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Don't you mean prequel?

Would be a trip if the next season was on some buddy cop comedy ****

tyisny said:

I just rewatched the stashhouse episode again.... Everything about that scene is PERFECT.

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When Rust fought the two black dudes in the front yard
One of them got knocked out wayyyy to easy, didnt even look like he made contact

nitpicking maybe, but i was like WTF when I watched it

calikev34 said:

When Rust fought the two black dudes in the front yard
One of them got knocked out wayyyy to easy, didnt even look like he made contact

nitpicking maybe, but i was like WTF when I watched it

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didn't pay attention to that detail i guess but i was just more so talking on the cinematic views. It was shot like something i've never saw it was ridiculously tense, it grew with each scene, and it put you in the middle of a live shootout. Just the small details were placed made it amazing to me.

tyisny said:

 

calikev34 said:

When Rust fought the two black dudes in the front yard
One of them got knocked out wayyyy to easy, didnt even look like he made contact

nitpicking maybe, but i was like WTF when I watched it

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didn't pay attention to that detail i guess but i was just more so talking on the cinematic views. It was shot like something i've never saw it was ridiculously tense, it grew with each scene, and it put you in the middle of a live shootout. Just the small details were placed made it amazing to me.

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Here you go:

Children of Men - "Uprising" 6+ minute tracking shot

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82163920

Cuaron should have won for this movie, WAYYYY before Gravity.

Bonus cameos from NT faves Solomon Northup and Jax Teller.

AK Nako said:

Here you go:

Children of Men - "Uprising" 6+ minute tracking shot

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82163920

Cuaron should have won for this movie, WAYYYY before Gravity.

Bonus cameos from NT faves Solomon Northup and Jax Teller.

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Thanks for linking me this is a good scene also, it doesn't personally capture the same intensity for me as TD scene but i could def spot some of the similarities.

psk2310 said:

MrONegative said:

macbk said:

Safe to say this Sunday night without new TD was .

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But the sequel, Cosmos, was on...

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Don't you mean prequel?

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Time is a flat circle.

Yo whats was that show you guys said was on Netflix that was dark and a cop mystery as well?

CoupeIt88 said:

Yo whats was that show you guys said was on Netflix that was dark and a cop mystery as well?

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Top of the Lake

Man, this is a GREAT review of the show by Kareem Abdul Jabbar:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kareem-abduljabbar/true-detective_b_4985514.html

Children want happy endings because it reflects their protected world. Adolescents want dark endings because it reflects their new-found disillusionment based on the realization that the world isn't always fair or just or kind. Adults accept the randomness of the world, accept its injustices but fight to bring some semblance of compassion to such a world. And that's just what the ending of True Detective does.

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Kareem

Dude always been a good writer

Cant believe I just found out today that Lizzie (Brighton Sharbino) from Walking Dead played the younger one of Marty's daughters

SUNDAY, MAR 16, 2014 03:00 PM EDT
“True Detective” vs. H.P. Lovecraft’s “cosmic horror”
The final message of the HBO series reinforces a dangerous American mythology -- that the end justifies the means
JOSEPH LAYCOCK, RELIGION DISPATCHES
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Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey in "True Detective" (Credit: HBO/Jim Bridges)
This article originally appeared on Religion Dispatches.
Religion Dispatches For the first seven episodes True Detective was actually a struggle between two modern and intertwined mythologies of evil. In last night’s finale one of those mythologies won in spectacular fashion.

Nic Pizzolatto constructed True Detective’s plot from a pair of sources, the first of which occurred in Ponchataoula, Louisiana, in 2005, when a former pastor told police that his church had turned from “Jesus to the devil.” He claimed they’d been holding Satanic rituals for years that involved animal sacrifice and the molestation of children. Or, as Jezebel put it in its headline, “Did a Horrifying Real Satanic Sex Abuse Case Inspire True Detective?”

While the case in Ponchataoula generated headlines about Satanic cults on both sides of the Atlantic, the details of Satanic worship were wholly invented. Accounts of black robes, blood orgies, and the rest appear to have been an “atrocity tale” in which accused child molesters sought to gain sympathy with claims of Satanic brainwashing. Buried in the bottom of one story about the case was a report from an FBI agent that no pentagrams or animal blood were found at the church—even with a “cult informant” guiding the investigation.

The second source is the book The King in Yellow, written in 1895 by Robert W. Chambers. Part of the fin de siècle decadence movement, this work is an anthology of horror stories about a fictional play called “The King in Yellow,” which renders anyone who reads it insane. Chambers presents snippets of this play that allude to a forbidden city called Carcosa—a trope first introduced by Ambrose Bierce in 1891. The King in Yellow mythology has since been invoked by H.P. Lovecraft and The Blue Oyster Cult.

Religion scholar Philip Jenkins has suggested these two sources—contemporary Satanic Panic and the “weird tales” of pulp horror—are connected. He suggests that it was the weird tales authors of the 1920s, notably Lovecraft and Herbert Gorman, who first introduced the idea of secret, murderous cults into the American consciousness. These authors combined the fascination for “superstitious rural folk” among America’s newly urbanized population with Margaret Murray’s thesis in The Witch Cult in Western Europe (1921) to spin stories of Pagan cults surviving in the backwoods of America conducting sacrifices in secret.

Weird tales have a way of coming to life. Chambers’ idea of a forbidden text that renders the reader insane influenced Lovecraft’s imaginary text “The Necronomicon.” Author Kent David Kelly has dubbed this literary device, an “imaginary source of revelation,” noting that one of the key features of texts like “The King in Yellow” or “The Necronomicon” is that they urge the reader to question whether the tale has a non-fictional foundation.

Indeed, self-proclaimed counter-cult authorities such as William Schnoebelen and John Todd have insisted that the Necronomicon is an authentic text used by Satanists to conduct human sacrifices. In some cases these claims have been presented to law enforcement during special seminars on “occult crime.” This is why analysis of shows like True Detective matters; sociologists know that fiction shapes the “plausibility structures” through which people assess stories of Satanic cults and other fantastic claims.

But while these two mythologies have influenced each other, they present “evil” in very different ways. Chambers and Lovecraft are the masters of “cosmic horror.” “The King in Yellow” is dangerous because it threatens to destroy our understanding of the world; it opens the door to madness and the “wholly other.” In his work on religion and horror, Douglas Cowan explains that Lovecraftian stories appeal to “the fear of a change in the sacred order.”

By contrast, the modern mythology of Satanic panic reaffirms a vision of spiritual warfare, a distinction Timothy Beale described as the difference between a deified monster and a demonized monster. Confronting Cthulhu or The King in Yellow is an apocalyptic revelation that inspires awe and madness, but confronting a cult that murders women and children just makes us feel righteous about our convictions.

Throughout the series Pizzolatto dropped hints in his scripts that Hart and Cohle were pursuing a deified monster who would change the sacred order. There are Cohle’s existentialist musings that we are puppets being observed from a “fourth dimensional perspective,” and the cultist muttering that “time is a flat circle.”

When Pizzolatto explained in an interview that he was drawn to The King in Yellow mythology because True Detective is “a story about a story” I assumed that beyond the surface plot of two heroes hunting down a murderous cult, even this pursuit of a demonized monster would ultimately result in a moment of “cosmic horror.” In fact, when governor Tuttle was the first to raise the specter of Satanic cults, I had hoped the show would use the weird tale mythology to offer a critical look at the claims of Satanic panic.

But in the final episode, we find no hint of what Pizzolatto called “deranged enlightenment.” How long has the cult been active in Louisiana? What is the significance of Carcosa? Apparently these questions are irrelevant. Billy Childress is just an ugly, insane brute who destroys innocence because he’s evil. (In the words of his half-sister and lover: “He’s worse than anybody.”)

The heroes also shed their own moral ambiguity as Cohle’s stabbing grants him a kind of gnosis that his synesthesia and drug use could not. He realizes that there’s a difference between good and evil, that his daughter waits for him in heaven, and that all of his existentialist angst was wrong. We are left with a cosmos that is starkly Manichaean, neatly divided between good and evil. Instead of a hideous Lovecraftian revelation, the series ends with what Tolkien called a “eucatastrophe” in which evil is suddenly overcome at the last moment.

Of course, there’s nothing inherently wrong with a happy ending. But the final message of True Detective reinforces a dangerous mythology that’s already endemic in American popular culture. The brutal misogyny of the heroes, their willingness to commit all manner of felonies—this was not a Nietzchean tale of those who hunt monsters becoming monsters themselves. Instead, this is a moral universe where anything is justified as long as your opponent is “truly” evil and good “gains some territory.” This is about as far from Lovecraft’s cosmic horror as one can get.

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Was I the only one that thought the slow zoom out/imagery was a homage to Christ? They seemed to really dwell on him looking out his hospital window, but look at the reflection. Reach? Maybe. But McConaughey surviving could've been a budding belief in something. Whether it's a higher existence, who knows, but at the very least, good and evil.

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