2014 NFL Draft Thread

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Johnny Manziel says the Texans passing on him at No. 1 "would be the worst decision they've ever made." http://bit.ly/1mgXva6 

 

[do work son]

Bleacher Report ‏@BleacherReport  4m

Johnny Manziel says the Texans passing on him at No. 1 "would be the worst decision they've ever made." http://bit.ly/1mgXva6 

Funny because true. And we've made a lot of bad decisions.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Johnny to Jacksonville.

Texans facing Johnny and Andrew 4x a year.

 

[100027]

Not to say you guys are wrong about Manziel, because I don't watch enough CFB to know.

But it sounds a lot like some said about Vince not too long ago.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I said it in this thread and it was even posted in his article.

If Houston passes on ole boy we're doomed and it's gonna be his mission to torch us 2 times a year for the next decade

Oh I know. I just need y'all to draft him so St. Louis doesn't.

Plus... even if he's there for Jacksonville... it's Jacksonville. Who knows what those clowns will do.

 

[statis22]

Not to say you guys are wrong about Manziel, because I don't watch enough CFB to know.

But it sounds a lot like some said about Vince not too long ago.

Most certainly is. If he wasn't an Aggie it wouldn't be a ton of pressure from him or local media to draft him.

 

[49ersaaron8]

Manziel is ultra exciting but lacks #1overall arm strength. I agree a team like Cleveland should take him. But number 1 overall now??

 

[651akathepaul]

Was listening to Greg Cosell on the Herd this morning and while I'm new to him, he's proving to be one of the few evaluators of football out there that really have it down and know their stuff. He hit quickly on 3 Q's (Bortles, Teddy and Manziel) and these are the tidbits he mentioned:

Bortles - More of a project guy because needs to work on footwork in the pocket and also throwing mechanics are a little different. Cautioned teams who picked him too early because when you go so high in the draft then we know that that is essentially pegging them as the starter whether they're truly ready or not. Liked his mobility and said that each time he watches his tape, Bortles grew more and more on him.

Teddy - Nothing that jumps out, but says does just enough of everything that makes him the "safe" pick. Good armstrength. Can make all the throws even if it doesn't always zip in there. Good pocket presence/footwork. What he really liked about Bridgewater was his maturity and his mental game being top notch (lot of flexibility and responsibility at the LOS given to him; mark of a mentally sound QB). No stage too big. Doesn't rattle and he's essentially mr. efficient.

Manziel - Basically that it comes down to the individual evaluator. He hit on a main evaluating piece that thos evaluators will have to weigh in that when Johnny freelances and makes big plays even though he missed on initial reads, is that a positive? Or will evaluators look at that and give it a negative grade even though the yards and conversions were there, but he didn't properly take his first or second option when they were open to him and if that's acceptable on the NFL level. Cowherd mentioned his size as why he thinks Manziel may not last. I partially agree with that, but Manziel might be that outlier where he's just that special.

When asked the best WR in this loaded receiver class he said Sammy. No question. For an underrated guy that no one is talking about he said Moncrief. I instantly thought of our dude Champ. He would always mentioned Moncrief and I've slipped considerably in my CFB viewing and never knew who he was until way late. Props to Champ.

So there's that....For those of us that don't have the time to invest in watching a lot of film I thought it was pretty good insight as he's been watching a lot and his reputation is starting to build publicly.

 

[champcruthik]

Was listening to Greg Cosell on the Herd this morning and while I'm new to him, he's proving to be one of the few evaluators of football out there that really have it down and know their stuff. He hit quickly on 3 Q's (Bortles, Teddy and Manziel) and these are the tidbits he mentioned:

Bortles - More of a project guy because needs to work on footwork in the pocket and also throwing mechanics are a little different. Cautioned teams who picked him too early because when you go so high in the draft then we know that that is essentially pegging them as the starter whether they're truly ready or not. Liked his mobility and said that each time he watches his tape, Bortles grew more and more on him.

Teddy - Nothing that jumps out, but says does just enough of everything that makes him the "safe" pick. Good armstrength. Can make all the throws even if it doesn't always zip in there. Good pocket presence/footwork. What he really liked about Bridgewater was his maturity and his mental game being top notch (lot of flexibility and responsibility at the LOS given to him; mark of a mentally sound QB). No stage too big. Doesn't rattle and he's essentially mr. efficient.

Manziel - Basically that it comes down to the individual evaluator. He hit on a main evaluating piece that thos evaluators will have to weigh in that when Johnny freelances and makes big plays even though he missed on initial reads, is that a positive? Or will evaluators look at that and give it a negative grade even though the yards and conversions were there, but he didn't properly take his first or second option when they were open to him and if that's acceptable on the NFL level. Cowherd mentioned his size as why he thinks Manziel may not last. I partially agree with that, but Manziel might be that outlier where he's just that special.

When asked the best WR in this loaded receiver class he said Sammy. No question. For an underrated guy that no one is talking about he said Moncrief. I instantly thought of our dude Champ. He would always mentioned Moncrief and I've slipped considerably in my CFB viewing and never knew who he was until way late. Props to Champ.

So there's that....For those of us that don't have the time to invest in watching a lot of film I thought it was pretty good insight as he's been watching a lot and his reputation is starting to build publicly.

Respect, 651. I think Moncrief can be had late second or even R3.

Jadeveon Clowney is still the top prospect on my board. Lonely minority. I get the infatuation with building around a franchise QB, but sometimes you can't force it. We've learned with Gabbert, Ponder, Locker.

Ima try and go to the draft and if Houston picks money Manziel ima do the money celebration

Trying to be Internet famous

We in there. Salivating at the weather and bunnies in May.

 

[651akathepaul]

Same as far as Clowney #1. The infatuation with Q's is understandable if you know how to manage it and know what you're doing. Vikings messed up badly with Ponder and that's a fear of mine coming into this draft. I think the value just won't be there unless Teddy or perhaps Manziel slip. Especially if you like guys like Mettenberger and Garoppolo (I do) who may be had later. Jimmy may rise though.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Not saying Bortles is going to be Aaron Rodgers but I remember people saying that Rodgers lacked Footwork and Accuracy as well as his throwing Mechanics

 

[champcruthik]

Same as far as Clowney #1. The infatuation with Q's is understandable if you know how to manage it and know what you're doing. Vikings messed up badly with Ponder and that's a fear of mine coming into this draft. I think the value just won't be there unless Teddy or perhaps Manziel slip. Especially if you like guys like Mettenberger and Garoppolo (I do) who may be had later. Jimmy may rise though.

We've discussed this: I agree with Zim's strategy to build a stout defense like Cincy first. Create a fortress on D. Sign Johnson, let X and Floyd grow under your coaching, and create a winning atmosphere. No easy yards, no plays off.

If a Teddy falls, no brainer. Same with Clowney. Even Mack merits considerable thought at #8.

 

[champcruthik]

Not saying Bortles is going to be Aaron Rodgers but I remember people saying that Rodgers lacked Footwork and Accuracy as well as his throwing Mechanics

That's why he fell to #24 in favor of Alex Smith. Blessing in disguised. Used the sleight as motivation to fuel his successful career.

He's in the tabloids a lot recently for dating Jessica Szohr (Gossip Girl). Also heard Taylor Swift thrown out, which is random and probably untrue.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Since I saw him play every game he played at Cal live the Accuracy thing I didn't get he was so accurate with his passes you don't go 23/23 vs #1 USC with lack of accuracy

 

[dacomeup]

Mettenburger in the 3rd for the Vikings ?

Defense 1st 2 picks.

I pray that Cincy would consider him in the 3r too. Planning to draft a backup, but would e great if it's someone who could push Dalton.

 

[champcruthik]

I pray that Cincy would consider him in the 3r too. Planning to draft a backup, but would e great if it's someone who could push Dalton.

A.J. McCarron is drawing Dalton comparisons according to Casserly.

 

[DeadsetAce]

I pray that Cincy would consider him in the 3r too. Planning to draft a backup, but would e great if it's someone who could push Dalton.

A.J. McCarron is drawing Dalton comparisons according to Casserly.

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[ThaxbyChamblis]

Clowney is clearly the best prospect in the draft, I don't think anyone really truly believes otherwise

 

[champcruthik]

Clowney is clearly the best prospect in the draft, I don't think anyone really truly believes otherwise

Don't the Texans have to select Clowney then. If he's truly the top prospect on everybody's board. Smith can't mess this up with a second lease on life under McNair. When you chase need and sacrifice BPA, problems arise. I don't feel the Texans have numerous gaping holes that can't be addressed after taking Jadeveon first overall.

 

[651akathepaul]

Minnesota:

Option 1: Stand pat at #8 and go BPA on defensive side unless Teddy slips.

Option 2: Trade down and go for value later in the round while collecting more picks in the 2nd/3rd.


They need a lot of help on defense even though QB is a glaring need. I wouldn't feel comfortable with them going QB at 8 unless it's Teddy or to some extent, Manziel. Mettenberger and Garoppolo or guys I would want if they don't get one early. Not against A.J. either.

 

[champcruthik]

Minnesota:

Option 1: Stand pat at #8 and go BPA on defensive side unless Teddy slips.

Option 2: Trade down and go for value later in the round while collecting more picks in the 2nd/3rd.


They need a lot of help on defense even though QB is a glaring need. I wouldn't feel comfortable with them going QB at 8 unless it's Teddy or to some extent, Manziel. Mettenberger and Garoppolo or guys I would want if they don't get one early. Not against A.J. either.

You know which option I have a tendency for. DE address with Johnson or the other top names like Bennett, Hardy, etc. LB likely won't get Mosley unless you invest #8 or a mid-first trading back. Smallwood or Skov fit. Know you want Bucannon at S, won't change your mind there although Dre and I like Dowling later. Corner is super deep, no rush there.

Houston runs a 3-4 though.

Is Clowney gonna be able to play 3-4 end?

I doubt they gonna ask him to play OLB.

I want a QB dammit >:

I know the scheme isn't ideal. But can't O'Brien and Romeo play Clowney opposite Watt and move Smith for a pick.

 

[651akathepaul]

Only cuase he's quasi-local with the Cougs althought LOVE the way he plays. Not familiar with Dowling, but I'll trust you two for sure on that.

I feel like if the the Vikings merely keep the QB issue in the back of their minds but really hammer out the defense this offseason that they be drastically better next year and years after. I want them to sign Cassel back so they can go heavy in free agency and the draft on defense. Get one major contributor on every level of the defense and then another LB or CB for good measure.

 

[651akathepaul]

Houston runs a 3-4 though.

Is Clowney gonna be able to play 3-4 end?

I doubt they gonna ask him to play OLB.

I want a QB dammit >:

Houston can change their D then. Coaches and Personnel can be adaptable if you have the right cornerstone. That's what I would think though. Only for a special player though and Clowney is just that.

 

[651akathepaul]

My issue is 2 all pro DEs isn't going to win us a Super Bowl.

Houston has to pay Watt next year, then Clowney 2-3 years after that.

Doesn't make sense.

True. But is there any player they take in this draft that will win them a Super Bowl based on his individuality alone?

The great thing about drafting immediate impact players like Clowney is the bargain they can be had for these days. Houston still has a decent window with their talent level and in short time can be extremely dominate again on defense with their personnel and Clowney added to the mix. Cross the bridge of payment when it comes.

So much can be said for an oustanding pass rush and setting the edges with Watt and Clowney is downright nasty. They would only need mediocrity at the DB positions to still be really really good.

 

[statis22]

Question: why is this Garropolo guy shorting up everybody's draft board? From what I read he's a high accuracy guy but his arm isn't that strong & struggles with guys around his feet & chaos in the pocket.