2014 NFL Draft Thread

[CP1708]

Shout out to the game winning touchdown scored by the cornerback of the Saints.

BOOM

Wait so because a mediocre corner caught a pass thrown directly to him it proves your point?

Yall better than that.

You coming back to the "we need to draft receivers to make it in this league argument"

Again, read the article up above, that speaks on the 4 most important positions, as he now is trying to narrow it down to 3, eliminating the LT position as a huge need, IF you have an elite QB.

That leaves QB, DE, or CB.


But you were saying....

 

[DeadsetAce]

no but it's a funny rebuttal to your response that the saints won on elite offensive talent alone. that defense was a turnover machine that season (i think - sorry if that's mistaken).

you RARELY win without defense. so when a draft is full of good to great WR talent...you use your early picks on defense, or OL, or a QB (for the record, i don't think there's a top 10 pick worthy QB in this draft, but that's another discussion). when i see a team like GB projected to take WR in the first (and second round) in this draft, it's laughable.

 

[DeadsetAce]

I blame Peyton

i love peyton

 

[Peep Game]

McShay with Bortles to the Browns

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Shout out to the game winning touchdown scored by the cornerback of the Saints.

BOOM

Wait so because a mediocre corner caught a pass thrown directly to him it proves your point?

Yall better than that.

You coming back to the "we need to draft receivers to make it in this league argument"

Again, read the article up above, that speaks on the 4 most important positions, as he now is trying to narrow it down to 3, eliminating the LT position as a huge need, IF you have an elite QB.

That leaves QB, DE, or CB.


But you were saying....

I've never said you need elite WRs to win. Not one time.

I'm just trying to point out there is no true model to win a Super Bowl and you have to get as many good players through the draft as possible no matter the position.

There has just been this narrative on this message board that you don't need good wide receivers to win. People keep posting the playoff wins of the elite WRs.

Well outside of quarterback the top 5 of pretty much every position in the league is struggling and the ones that are winning are winning because they got other good players around them.

Depth at all positions is how you win.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

A strong pass rush is most important after QB/OL, no?

 

[DeadsetAce]

A strong pass rush is most important after QB/OL, no?

IMO yes. it's what NE has been missing.


(and yes, chester...the "right" angle to film other teams" )

 

[651akathepaul]

People getting involved in a little debating calisthenics, I see. Gotta keep warm in this long offseason.

 

[stillin729]

I gotta agree with the strong pass rush; it makes up for a lot of deficiencies in the secondary

 

[SneakerProSr.]

I gotta agree with the strong pass rush; it makes up for a lot of deficiencies in the secondary

If you have a good to great secondary you can bring pressure and only drop 4 or 5.

If you have a great pass rush from your front 4 your can drop everyone else and you don't need an elite secondary.

Bottom line you have to get good players once you get the good players then you figure everything else out.

Talking players because higher than they should go because of need or positional value is the single biggest reason NFL teams stay bad.

 

[100027]

Seahawks for example had a great secondary and a great defense 2 years before having a good pass rush.

Carolina last year had an average at best secondary, but a great defense overall because of the front 7.

Basically, if either section of your defense is truly elite, you are going to be able to make up for some of the shortcomings in the other side.  I wouldn't say one is better than the other.

The one thing you have to be able to do is stop the run, or it doesn't matter if you can cover receivers or rush the QB.  

 

[House Targaryen]

 

I gotta agree with the strong pass rush; it makes up for a lot of deficiencies in the secondary

If you have a good to great secondary you can bring pressure and only drop 4 or 5.

If you have a great pass rush from your front 4 your can drop everyone else and you don't need an elite secondary.

Bottom line you have to get good players once you get the good players then you figure everything else out.

Talking players because higher than they should go because of need or positional value is the single biggest reason NFL teams stay bad.

See Detroit. Taking all those WRs in the first round for so long. 

 

[CP1708]

Stop the run, in a league trending towards 55+ pass attempts per game?

Feel free to join us in 2014 fellas.

The 90's are over, all the cliches need to be thrown out now, stop fighting it.

Stopping the run is nice and all, but its no longer the most important thing.

 

[CP1708]

You always gonna have a guy/game that is an outlier.

Pats weren't great run stuffers after Wilfork and reached AFC title game. And Denver didn't beat them on the ground.
During reg season game, Moreno put 200+ on NE, and they lost.


Like I said, its great to stop the run, but the NFL is trending away from running game. See RB by committee, no more 3-4 RB first rounds, fewer carries, huge rise in passing numbers, rule changes, hybrid TE's, everything trending to the pass.

Stopping the run means less now than 1995. Same as stopping the pass in 95 was much easier than today's game.

 

[IATT]

You have to be able to hold up against the run.. Hence why I'm starting to think you're better off having great safeties in today's nfl

Because they literally have to be the safety valve of the defense.. Be able to cover slot WRs one on one, TEs, RBs coming out of the back field and play the run




That was the beauty of Seattle, they were great in there secondary so they could play Thomas as a single high safety.. Allowing chancellor to come up in RB support

Modern defenses have to be versatile

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

If you're average against the run you'll live assuming you're above average against the pass. But below average against run? You'll lose.

 

[IATT]

Also people don't give bobby Wagner enough credit in that defense

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Also people don't give bobby Wagner enough credit in that defense

THIS.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

 

I gotta agree with the strong pass rush; it makes up for a lot of deficiencies in the secondary

If you have a good to great secondary you can bring pressure and only drop 4 or 5.


If you have a great pass rush from your front 4 your can drop everyone else and you don't need an elite secondary.


Bottom line you have to get good players once you get the good players then you figure everything else out.


Talking players because higher than they should go because of need or positional value is the single biggest reason NFL teams stay bad.

See Detroit. Taking all those WRs in the first round for so long. 

The mistake Millen made was taking bad players. WRs, QBs, DTs it didn't matter.

Calvin Johnson is the only pick he ever got right and whats ironic is if he would have stopped taking Wide Receivers that year it would have been a catastrophe.

Rumor had it Lane wanted Calvin but Al wanted Jamarcus.

As bad as the LIons have been think about if it was Jamarcus in Detroit instead of Megatron.

Millen picked Backus and Dom in his first draft. 7 years 7 drafts 3 good picks.

 

[IATT]

"Knowing he wouldn't play as a freshman, Benjamin often loafed through practices. His weight ballooned to nearly 260 pounds. The playbook was complex, and it didn't hold his attention."

http://espn.go.com/colleges/fsu/foo...r-kelvin-benjamin-trying-match-reality-legend

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...enjamins-weight-a-concern-for-some-nfl-scouts

 

[IATT]

“@MoveTheSticks: Studying Louisville OLB Marcus Smith. Execs LOVE him. Loose edge rusher with a burst to close... Strong hands to set edge vs run. Intriguing”

 

[ii flash ii]

Let Benjamin drop to 49ers first 2nd round pick

 

[stillin729]

Benjamin has bust written all over him IMO

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Also people don't give bobby Wagner enough credit in that defense

 

[Warmachine85]

If you're average against the run you'll live assuming you're above average against the pass. But below average against run? You'll lose.

so true see my bills smh