2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[EddieDoyers]

cold blooded.

 

[coldcity]

Even Drake on NT tryna save somebody who don't need saving, makes sense.

Damb

 

[awwsome]

prime duncan > prime dirk

Really just depends on what you value, Duncan is by far the superior rebounder and defender but he's not in Dirk's league offensively.

If my team had a defensive anchor at the 5, I'm taking prime Dirk everytime. If I had Samuel Dalembert at the 5 I'm taking prime Duncan.

 

[ohmygosher]

Even Drake on NT tryna save somebody who don't need saving, makes sense.

 

[tyonenine]

When the playoffs start my heat hater uniform will be on and I'll be ready.

 

[awwsome]

He was never as efficient as KD is though. Even in that 02-03 season he put up those numbers, he took 24 shots/game to do so. KD is avg 32/7.6/5.6 on 51% shooting 40% from 3 and 87% from the line on 21 shots. KD is a legit 7 feet not NT 7'1 like T-Mac was. KD put up 50/40/90 last season. We've never seen anything like KD before as far as an entire package, a volume scorer at 7 feet, with handles, athletic, and as efficient as he is and he's not even in his prime yet.

He's like Dirk x Kobe DNA was combined in a lab and spit out this freak of nature.

Kobe was putting up similar numbers that same season so his uniqueness at least to me takes a bit of a hit.

I wasn't saying he was as effecient as KD but he was definitely within range, we know KD stands alone.

 

[pmatic]

I think KD is now in his prime, just not at his apex (two more years until that).

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Mo didn't even get crossed just got blown over by Vic's acceleration

 

[Bert.]

View media item 880868

Dirk is still god.

:x

 

[japanair21]

Really just depends on what you value, Duncan is by far the superior rebounder and defender but he's not in Dirk's league offensively.

If my team had a defensive anchor at the 5, I'm taking prime Dirk everytime. If I had Samuel Dalembert at the 5 I'm taking prime Duncan.

I mean, look what happened when Dirk had a true Center at his side.

The most difficult series that year was Portland,

 

[venom lyrix]

I'm 26 and just thinking, I've gotten to witness 4 of the most uniquely athletically, skillful and talented players to ever play in their prime or just now entering it.

1. Shaq
2. Dirk
3. Bron
4. KD

Just the combinations of their talents (domination w/ size, 7'0ter with shooting touch unmatched, combo of size, speed, and power, 7'0ter with unlimited skills on the offensive end, handles at that size and only continuing to improve)

Great time to be a basketball fan.

If Bron doesn't opt out, Dirk should be the top FA for any team that's one player away, but Cuban isn't letting him leave Dallas. I'd love to replace Pau with him over the next two seasons.

Dirk is never leaving Dallas.

 

[MVP]

Really just depends on what you value, Duncan is by far the superior rebounder and defender but he's not in Dirk's league offensively.

If my team had a defensive anchor at the 5, I'm taking prime Dirk everytime. If I had Samuel Dalembert at the 5 I'm taking prime Duncan.

Think you gotta put prime KG in there. He takes the best from both Dirk (maybe not all the way to 3 point range, but moreso than Timmy) and Duncan. Literally could do everything at an elite on both ends.

And that's why I was saying KD is unique and literally no one like him has come along before. I've seen plenty of volume scores (AI, Kobe, T-Mac, etc.) But none of them have done it at the level that the more shots they take, their efficiency doesn't take a significant hit most of the time. T-Mac's highest FG% was 46% (32 ppg-on 24 shots) in 2002-2003 in his prime. Kobe's 47% (27 ppg on 20 shots) in 2008-2009, AI's 46% (27 ppg on 19 shots) in 2007-2008. KD hasn't shot below 46% since his rookie year and his efficiency at being a volume scorer, at his size, with that handle and shooting touch from long range is what make him unique.

He gives you what Bron does in all around game (at least this season) and efficiency in his prime taking many more shots, the shooting touch Dirk has at that size in his prime, and sheer unstoppable nature and ability to put up points every single night that Kobe had in his prime. If he continues to commit to becoming an elite defender, there's nothing stopping this guys (barring injury) from cracking into that Mount Rushmore when he's done.

 

[suberzat1]

Dirk is that dude. I think they may make it to the second round depening on Who they play. Watch out OKC

 

[ill steelo]

prime duncan > prime dirk

Really just depends on what you value, Duncan is by far the superior rebounder and defender but he's not in Dirk's league offensively.

If my team had a defensive anchor at the 5, I'm taking prime Dirk everytime. If I had Samuel Dalembert at the 5 I'm taking prime Duncan.

Ehhh. When they were in their primes, Duncan outscored him every time they met up in the playoffs, that includes in '06 when Dallas had a top 10 D.

Point is, you can run your offense through both guys, and Duncan is so much better on the end of the floor that I'd go with him every time.

 

[spaceorlando]

Dirk is that dude. I think they may make it to the second round depening on Who they play. Watch out OKC

Dirk had a good game vs the Thunder but come on. There not beating anyone in the playoffs.

Also to compare Dirk or KG to Duncan is laughable. Duncan is a all time top 10 player. Dirk and KG aren't in that class.

 

[MVP]

KG was every bit as good as Duncan offensively, better as a playmaker, maybe better defensively. Don't let the rings fool you. Duncan has consistently had a better team and organization around him, but KG in Minny was a gaddamn monster.

 

[100027]

Meh. Duncan is/was way better than KG and Dirk both. There's no way KG was as good as Duncan offensively, sorry.

 

[rillo561]

KG was every bit as good as Duncan offensively, better as a playmaker, maybe better defensively. Don't let the rings fool you. Duncan has consistently had a better team and organization around him, but KG in Minny was a gaddamn monster.

Seriously, the year Wolves played the Spurs in the Playoff KG consistently out played Duncan. I know people hate the tough guy act, but KG was the man in Minny.

 

[spaceorlando]

KG was every bit as good as Duncan offensively, better as a playmaker, maybe better defensively. Don't let the rings fool you. Duncan has consistently had a better team and organization around him, but KG in Minny was a gaddamn monster.

LA and Boston had superior teams in the 80s, the Lakers in the 2000s and Heat now but do you downgrade Magic, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron? No. That team argument is weak and old. The most stacked teams always win in the NBA. 99% of the time.

 

[ill steelo]

KG was every bit as good as Duncan offensively, better as a playmaker, maybe better defensively. Don't let the rings fool you. Duncan has consistently had a better team and organization around him, but KG in Minny was a gaddamn monster.

No doubt. If he had anything remotely close to Gregg Popovich & RC Buford in Minny then the perception would be a lot different.

 

[japanair21]

Ehhh. When they were in their primes, Duncan outscored him every time they met up in the playoffs, that includes in '06 when Dallas had a top 10 D.

Point is, you can run your offense through both guys, and Duncan is so much better on the end of the floor that I'd go with him every time.

That fact isn't completely true, but it is for the most part which I'm very shocked about. The only year Dirk outscored Duncan was the 2009-2010 Playoffs. Dirk busted his *** that series. 26/8/3 shooting 55%/57%/95%. That 2010 Dallas team just wasn't all that great.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I give the edge to Tim, but there really isn't a gigantic difference between the two.

Unless you count the sort if intangible quality Duncan has with leadership and willingness to be coached. But then again he has a top 3 all time coach.



It likely a was but basketball fans always want a a definitive answer, but really you are splitting hairs.

 

[japanair21]

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I don't think so, Mavs literally do nothing better than the Spurs.

Spurs are far better defensively and will pound them on the boards.

Especially when the game slows down, I trust the Spurs execution more. They have better guard/wing play (sorry Monta) and both teams are on the same level offensively.

I mean if Dirk goes God level of course Mavs have a chance but that's the only way, Spurs are better especially over 7 games.

I don't think so either, unless Monta plays the best ball of his life, and Dirk plays like he did in 2006 against them. That's probably Dirk's best playoff series since Nash left.

The Mavs have held their own against some of the Playoff teams in the West though.

DAL @ HOU 11/1/13: L-8
DAL VS MEM 11/2/13: W+12
DAL @ OKC 11/6/13: L-14
DAL VS HOU 11/20/13: W+3
DAL VS GSW 11/27/13: W+4
DAL @ POR 12/7/13: W+2
DAL @ GSW 12/11/13: L-2 (Lead most of that game)
DAL VS MEM 12/18/13: W+14
DAL @ PHO 12/21/13: L-15
DAL @ HOU 12/23/13: W+7
DAL VS SA 12/26/13: L-9
DAL VS LAC 1/3/14: L-7
DAL @ SA 1/8/14: L-22
DAL @ LAC 1/15/14: L-2 (Lead most of that game too I believe)
DAL @ PHO 1/17/14: W+3
DAL VS POR 1/18/14: L-16
DAL VS HOU 1/29/14: L-2
DAL @ MEM 2/5/14: W+14
DAL @ SAS 3/2/14: L-6
DAL VS POR 3/7/14: W+5
DAL @ GSW 3/11/14: L-23
DAL @ OKC 3/16/14: W+23
DAL VS OKC 3/25/14: W+9

Haven’t beat the Spurs or Clippers, but won season series against the Thunder, tied season series with Rockets (very competitive in the losses), won the season series against the Blazers, still have a chance to tie season series against the Warriors, swept the season series with the Grizzlies thus far, and are currently tied with the Suns in the season series.

Six games remaining against WC Playoff teams. VS LAC, VS GSW, @ LAC, VS SAS, VS PHO, and @ MEM. I fully expect them to go at least .500 against those final teams.

If I could pick an opponent out of the top five teams in the west, I’d go.. Portland

 

[coldcity]

Cuban wasting dirk the last 2 years

his MFFL shirt had me on the floor last night

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Lmao @ Z-Bo only having 3 dunks this season