2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[youngtriz]

good play wrong shooter

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Clippers/Warriors first round

 

[julius wrek]

Julius F. Wrek

 

[proshares]

That Hawks/Grizzlies comparison is pretty baffling. Grizzlies have taken steps to be considered favorites in the WC in earlier years (in the playoffs I guess), rebuilt/restocked depth through the draft and trades and are always in competition to take out the best when they're in the playoffs. Hawks can't say any of those things, even when they had Joe/Josh/Al all healthy and playing.

 

[bhzmafia14]

That Hawks/Grizzlies comparison is pretty baffling. Grizzlies have taken steps to be considered favorites in the WC in earlier years (in the playoffs I guess), rebuilt/restocked depth through the draft and trades and are always in competition to take out the best when they're in the playoffs. Hawks can't say any of those things, even when they had Joe/Josh/Al all healthy and playing.

Man, I'm saying

Now, if the Grizz get the 7th or 8th seed, lose in the 1st round, continues the trend over the next 2-3 years with the same core, then YES they are the Hawks.

 

[datznasty]

I mean there was that time they made the WCFs because their first and second round opponents had an all star contributor unavailable due to injury, ran into a healthy Spurs team then got quickly swept out of the post season.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I mean there was that time they made the WCFs because their first and second round opponents had an all star contributor unavailable due to injury, ran into a healthy Spurs team then got quickly swept out of the post season.

I don't recall the Grizzlies ever being favorites but they are a far cry from the Atlanta stinking Hawks. When did Atlanta have one of the top defenses? Atlanta's iso ball days were like nails on a chalkboard. Even though Memphis don't go out and score 100 every night, they play a much better brand of basketball than Atlanta has in the recent past.

Also though the Grizz got swept by the Spurs, they at least forced two overtime games.

 

[bhzmafia14]

When has there ever been another favorite outside of the Spurs, Thunder and Heat over the last few seasons?

Dallas wasn't a favorite when they won. No, Memphis was never considered "favorites", but they were always considered a dark horse team that could win it all. Let's not act like everybody had them as an easy out come playoff time.

Its pretty funny how "getting swept by the Spurs" gets brought up along with injuries, but you never hear about the injuries that the Grizz had to endure during those times and throughout each of the last several seasons. Did I make an excuse the year we lost to the Clippers in the 1st round because Zbo was only 60-70% healthy? Nah. Did I make an excuse that OKC won only because Rudy Gay was out when Memphis took the almighty Thunder to 7 games in the 2nd round? Nah.

Damn, with the way DatZ and JJ talking, teams should be lining up to play the Grizz in the 1st round. It should be an easy out for any team I'm assuming.

 

[tommyicerocking]

despite how godly the Grizzles are playing, I want the Suns to make it over them....Goran and Green have been my favouite players this season.

 

[bhzmafia14]

When I made the Hawks comparison it was more in the state of the franchise.

Not the way the franchise is ran.

Obviously the grizzled are proficient in their front court play and 2 dominate big men.

But like I stated, they aren't good enough to win a chip, aren't bad enough to tank.

In the next season or two the team is going to get blown up.

And No, I've never seen Memphis mentioned as a "dark horse" either.

Who cares if you never mentioned them as a dark horse?

What's funny is how a lot of people actually felt like the Grizz were going to the NBA Finals last year after beating OKC. A lot of people didn't even give the Spurs a chance in the WCF due to what the Grizz did to them in the 2011 playoffs. In that point in time, they were actually considered favorites to win the West.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

The only thing with that way of thinking is, do you believe the other west teams are in the same state as well? Namely the Mavs, Blazers, Warriors, Clippers, Rockets, Suns? Do these teams really have that much of a better chance to win it all than the Grizzlies?

 

[datznasty]

When has there ever been another favorite outside of the Spurs, Thunder and Heat over the last few seasons?

Dallas wasn't a favorite when they won. No, Memphis was never considered "favorites", but they were always considered a dark horse team that could win it all. Let's not act like everybody had them as an easy out come playoff time.

Its pretty funny how "getting swept by the Spurs" gets brought up along with injuries, but you never hear about the injuries that the Grizz had to endure during those times and throughout each of the last several seasons. Did I make an excuse the year we lost to the Clippers in the 1st round because Zbo was only 60-70% healthy? Nah. Did I make an excuse that OKC won only because Rudy Gay was out when Memphis took the almighty Thunder to 7 games in the 2nd round? Nah.

Damn, with the way DatZ and JJ talking, teams should be lining up to play the Grizz in the 1st round. It should be an easy out for any team I'm assuming.

During that time period you were claiming yall were better without him though, because OJ was cooking.

 

[bhzmafia14]

The only thing with that way of thinking is, do you believe the other west teams are in the same state as well? Namely the Mavs, Blazers, Warriors, Clippers, Rockets, Suns? Do these teams really have that much of a better chance to win it all than the Grizzlies?

Exactly. None of those teams are more likely to beat the Spurs/Thunder than Memphis. Its all fair game come playoff time.

During that time period you were claiming yall were better without him though, because OJ was cooking.

Never said that. I still wanted Rudy on the team last year

One thing I have learned about the Grizz over the years is to never think everything is clear as day. They may very well go on a big run and scare some teams in the playoffs. The fact that they are working hard to still make the playoffs tells me something is there from previous years. I think they are struggling more with just getting the season over with and just starting the real season.

 

[yeezusdisciple]

The grizzlies will nver be on the low level of the totem pole as the hawks can we move on now?

 

[Bert.]

When I made the Hawks comparison it was more in the state of the franchise.

Not the way the franchise is ran.

Obviously the grizzled are proficient in their front court play and 2 dominate big men.

But like I stated, they aren't good enough to win a chip, aren't bad enough to tank.

In the next season or two the team is going to get blown up.

And No, I've never seen Memphis mentioned as a "dark horse" either.

Who cares if you never mentioned them as a dark horse?

What's funny is how a lot of people actually felt like the Grizz were going to the NBA Finals last year after beating OKC. A lot of people didn't even give the Spurs a chance in the WCF due to what the Grizz did to them in the 2011 playoffs. In that point in time, they were actually considered favorites to win the West.

other than you, who said the Grizz were going to the finals?

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

at the Grizz being the dark horse that could win it all.

The Grizz are a playoff filler. They're always there, but have zero chance of making the finals. Last year they only got past OKC cuz Rustle Jimmies was hurt and got promptly swept by the Spurs.

OKC and SAS are the favorites. Clippers and Dallas(IMO) are the "dark horses" grizz ain't eem in that discussion

 

[bhzmafia14]

other than you, who said the Grizz were going to the finals?

Bruh...last time explaining this

When the Grizz beat OKC in the 2nd round last year, there were many analysts and even posters on NT saying the Grizz were going to make the Finals. No one had confidence in the Spurs going because of how they always seemed to fall apart in a series over the last few seasons and the fact that Memphis beat them before. It was not that long ago for you to forget that this happened bruh lol.

But, ya'll got all the answers .

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

at the Grizz being the dark horse that could win it all.

The Grizz are a playoff filler. They're always there, but have zero chance of making the finals. Last year they only got past OKC cuz Rustle Jimmies was hurt and got promptly swept by the Spurs.

OKC and SAS are the favorites. Clippers and Dallas(IMO) are the "dark horses" grizz ain't eem in that discussion

What percent do the Rockets, Blazers or Warriors have to make the finals?

 

[tommyicerocking]

i'd say the Warriors got a better chance than the Mavs...I don't Mavs get past the first round.

Warriors are the dark horse of the West.

 

[tommyicerocking]

 
What percent do the Rockets, Blazers or Warriors have to make the finals?

Rockets 33% (contender)

Warriors 15% (dark horse)

Blazers 6% (pretenders)

 

[bhzmafia14]

Funny how the Mavs are a dark horse, but they may end up losing their seeding to the team he thinks has no chance.

My percentage depends on the seeding. I don't think they are beating this Spurs team in the playoffs. OKC is more likely to have a let down against Memphis due to 1) their coaching is not all that great, 2) they always struggle to guard Zbo/Gasol, 3) our defense frustrates Westbrook and 4) we have a ton of defenders to throw at Durant.

They are not world beaters and are not even the best team they've had over the last two seasons. So, I think an upset can happen. Sue me for thinking OKC can be defeated.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

i'd say the Warriors got a better chance than the Mavs...I don't Mavs get past the first round.

Warriors are the dark horse of the West.

As a OKC fan..I could see Dallas possibly beating them.

You have a point about the warriors tho. I just don't see them getting past the clippers

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Funny how the Mavs are a dark horse, but they may end up losing their seeding to the team he thinks has no chance.

One game doesn't equal the entire playoffs dude .

Even if they lost to Memphis there's a MUCH better chance of them getting out of the first round against SAS than Memphis beating OKC.

 

[carltonjunior]

Warriors don't have a serious shot at the finals I don't think but they have a great chance to upset a team and even make the WCF. But definitely can't see them making the actual finals though

 

[bhzmafia14]

One game doesn't equal the entire playoffs dude .

Even if they lost to Memphis there's a MUCH better chance of them getting out of the first round against SAS than Memphis beating OKC.

Please explain how they have a much better chance. What have you seen from their previous match ups in the regular season to make that assumption? OKC only played a healthy Memphis team ONE time the entire season.