2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[HIM]

Why?

Why?

So there will be one less team between Memphis and the Championship. This is their year. I thought they were ready last year but this is the year. Grit n Grind.


Best Center in the league
Best PG and iso scorer in the league
Top 3 PF
Best defensive SG and SF
Best coach

 

[bhzmafia14]

No we not. I bet Prince is gone by Feb 5th

I think Barnes would be better as a starter as a 5th option this season. Perfect for Memphis, but I'm not sure if we have what GOlden State is looking for. I think Koufos would be a good look for them since none of their bigs outside of Lee and Bogut are worth anything . Factor in Bogut's injury history, Ezeli being hurt, I think KK would be a nice piece for them.

 

[bhzmafia14]

So there will be one less team between Memphis and the Championship. This is their year. I thought they were ready last year but this is the year. Grit n Grind.


Best Center in the league
Best PG and iso scorer in the league
Top 3 PF
Best defensive SG and SF
Best coach

I have far more respect for the Clippers when lawdog posts, but when you post it just makes me want to beat them again in the playoffs just to drink your tears.

BTW, the Raptors STILL want to trade Lowry. You would think they would want to re-sign him for how well he's playing. Will he ever find a home?

 

[larrydavidmoney]

I won't even front, I didn't think Curry was going to amount to half the contributor he is today. Watching him during that Davidson March Madness run was but I thought he was just a flash in the pan... sorry lil Steph... I was wrong.

 

[lawdog1]

No we not. I bet Prince is gone by Feb 5th

I think Barnes would be better as a starter as a 5th option this season. Perfect for Memphis, but I'm not sure if we have what GOlden State is looking for. I think Koufos would be a good look for them since none of their bigs outside of Lee and Bogut are worth anything . Factor in Bogut's injury history, Ezeli being hurt, I think KK would be a nice piece for them.

I think I heard that Ezeli will be coming back soon. Koufous is a nice player and I agree he'd fit in well as a back-up with GSW, but I think it would take more than just him for the Warriors to trade Barnes. Barnes may not be having a great season, but his age, upside and contract situation is enough for the Warriors to try and get significant value for him in a trade. I don't think a good back-up center is enough.

 

[bonafide hustla]

this thread doesnt think Curry's team/system/coaching has anything to do with his success? (in relation to others: Wall, Kyrie, etc).

already.

 

[antidope]

this thread doesnt think Curry's team/system/coaching has anything to do with his success? (in relation to others: Wall, Kyrie, etc).

already.

I remember the Steph Curry arguments from last year. I said he was a future HoF and everyone laughed.

 

[rook]

Probably late but

Fact: Carmelo Anthony is the only member of the 2003 NBA draft class to have made the playoffs every year.

 

[bonafide hustla]

this thread doesnt think Curry's team/system/coaching has anything to do with his success? (in relation to others: Wall, Kyrie, etc).

already.

I remember the Steph Curry arguments from last year. I said he was a future HoF and everyone laughed.

that's cool. i think the masses in general can say Curry has taken it to a level not everyone particularly could have guessed.

but nobody seems to mention his team/coaching effect. especially when they're slandering the likes of other talented young guys who have terrible team situations

 

[jjs07]

this thread doesnt think Curry's team/system/coaching has anything to do with his success? (in relation to others: Wall, Kyrie, etc).

already.

Interesting point...which makes me wonder how good Wall could be if he had a better system/coaching?

 

[$tacy]

 

this thread doesnt think Curry's team/system/coaching has anything to do with his success? (in relation to others: Wall, Kyrie, etc).

already.

I remember the Steph Curry arguments from last year. I said he was a future HoF and everyone laughed.

i remember that 

 

[herbshuttles15]

Probably late but

Fact: Carmelo Anthony is the only member of the 2003 NBA draft class to have made the playoffs every year.

Quick, put it on his all star jacket.

 

[bonafide hustla]

Interesting point...which makes me wonder how good Wall could be if he had a better system/coaching?

yea...and let me clarify, I'm not particularly saying throw Kyrie, Wall, etc. on the Warriors, they'll leat as much/more.

But the GSW system is built around Curry and his strengths. Totally. On top of that, they just have better personnel and a legit coach.

Put Kyrie/Wall/etc. into a system that is completely built around their strengths but also add comparable talent/role players/coaching.

 

[antidope]

this thread doesnt think Curry's team/system/coaching has anything to do with his success? (in relation to others: Wall, Kyrie, etc).


already.

I remember the Steph Curry arguments from last year. I said he was a future HoF and everyone laughed.

that's cool. i think the masses in general can say Curry has taken it to a level not everyone particularly could have guessed.


but nobody seems to mention his team/coaching effect. especially when they're slandering the likes of other talented young guys who have terrible team situations

Thats fair. He does have a starting lineup comprised of 4 other top ten players at their position (Waits for someone to challenge Klay Thompson being top ten SG), no other players have that luxury, but with that said I still think the majority of the credit has to go to Curry. Even back in the days of Keith Smart and Monta Ellis, it was clear that this guy had the potential to do something like this. Last year and this year were the first two years of his career where he didnt have something holding him back (Monta taking the ball, injuries, etc), he got the keys to the car and turned the Warriors into a force.

The GSW thread hates Mark Jackson also, I dont mind him though.

 

[Bert.]

Probably late but

Fact: Carmelo Anthony is the only member of the 2003 NBA draft class to have made the playoffs every year.

how many rings he got tho?

 

[lawdog1]

this thread doesnt think Curry's team/system/coaching has anything to do with his success? (in relation to others: Wall, Kyrie, etc).

already.

It has an impact, but its not the system and coaching that makes Curry the best shooter in the game. He'd likely have that title on any team. The talent was always there. The biggest problem for him his first couple years was health.

But could I say for sure that, if you switched Kyrie and Steph, the Cavs would be better and the Warriors would be worse? No, I couldn't say that.

 

[bonafide hustla]

Thats fair. He does have a starting lineup comprised of 4 other top ten players at their position (Waits for someone to challenge Klay Thompson being top ten SG), no other players have that luxury, but with that said I still think the majority of the credit has to go to Curry. Even back in the days of Keith Smart and Monta Ellis, it was clear that this guy had the potential to do something like this. Last year and this year were the first two years of his career where he didnt have something holding him back (Monta taking the ball, injuries, etc), he got the keys to the car and turned the Warriors into a force.

The GSW thread hates Mark Jackson also, I dont mind him though.

It has an impact, but its not the system and coaching that makes Curry the best shooter in the game. He'd likely have that title on any team. The talent was always there. The biggest problem for him his first couple years was health.

But could I say for sure that, if you switched Kyrie and Steph, the Cavs would be better and the Warriors would be worse? No, I couldn't say that.

def can't take away from Curry's strengths. He's definitely HOF bound and easily one of the best scorers in this league. He lso solidified himself in many people's books being able to keep scoring at a high clip but add some consistent facilitating/creating for others/playmaking.

point im making is Curry's taking full advantage of this situation, but others just don't have that luxury. And imo, you gotta account for that. i just wasnt a fan of using Curry's achievement to prove without a doubt he craps on the other young, very talented guys.

 

[jjs07]

HOF bound after 3-4 years? Yikes...

I've always seen it this way.

Some players are going to be great regardless.

Some need the proper team / system to be great.

Wall is one of those, Kyrie as well.

IMO, Wall has done exceptionally well in spite of coaching and the system. He's only scratching the surface of his potential, but I concede that no other PG in the league had a tougher go of things (organizationally) than he did up until last year.

 

[Animal Thug]

Steph Curry is HOF bound already? :x Minus whale say the same for Vince Carter and TMac if that's the case..

 

[thekingofva]

Finally people are seeing how overrated Irving is. Great shooter but not a great player.

 

[antidope]

Steph Curry is HOF bound already?

Minus whale say the same for Vince Carter and TMac if that's the case..

Vince Carter is going into the HoF whether people like it or not. He is a lock. T-Mac people might be iffy on.

The Curry thing is dependent on him staying healthy and continuing said production, but what reason do we have to think that he wont?

 

[Cashflow]

Steph Curry is HOF bound already? :x Minus whale say the same for Vince Carter and TMac if that's the case..

But Vincent Lamar Carter is HOF bound though

 

[dman14]

john wall plays in the eastern conf. there's no excuse for him not making the playoffs. heck, jennings was able to get his team in the playoffs.

i dont watch much cavs gms, but how is irving's defense?

 

[thekingofva]

Nah I agree, that franchise was in disarray.

I like Wall, one of my favorite players to watch, wanted him as a Net and hoped we were gonna win that lottery.

I think dude has potential to be a very good PG, maybe Elite / top 5

Wall is top 5 right now. You can't name 5 pg's currently playing that are better than him. Chris Paul and Curry (even though he sucks on defense) are the only PG's clearly better than him right now. Drose doesn't count because he isn't healthy. Westbrook and Tony Parker have a case. John Wall is the best PG in the East and only getting better.

 

[herbshuttles15]

Vince Carter is a HOFer, the basketball HOF isn't hard to get into for a player of VC's caliber