2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[osh kosh bosh]

Then Minny would prob just cut Toronto out and trade directly with the other team.

Minnesota isn't gonna trade away their franchise for a couple picks here and there. They'll want to get back legit young talent they can build around. For Toronto, Derozan + Val would be the starting point.

they say that now, but time is running out and the nba knows it. everybody thinks love is gone, they can't make the playoffs now is the time.

who can make a better offer AND also take the risk he wont resign? Chicago maybe?

 

[reggiekiller]

 

guess this current NBA player by his stats?

Yeah its Hibbert. Hes trash

Not this again.

Guess this current NBA player by his stats?

Guess this current NBA team by its stats?

Slander his offense all you want but just realize that your team wouldn't be a title contender without him. It's funny to me that a Pacers fan can call him "trash."

I can absolutely call him trash.  Hes an excellent defender, but when you're 7'2, 300 lbs I expect more than 8 rebounds per game.  His offensive development is horrible. I know people on NT like to use the "well you know theres 2 sides to the game" argument...but dog, theres 2 sides to the game.  You cant be a star player if you're inept in half of the game of basketball.  I see too many games of my 7'2, 300 lb center having 4 points 6 rebounds, 2 points 4 rebounds, ect for me to be able to call him a good player.  Hes not the only player in the league who players excellent defense, lets be real here.  But hes the only player in the All Star game who's offensive production is way below average for his position.

Oh yeah, and Pero Antic **** on him this season.  Roy Hibberts great defense gave up 14 points and 6 rebounds to Antic, while Hibbert tallied up a whopping 4 points and 2 rebounds.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I can absolutely call him trash.  Hes an excellent defender, but when you're 7'2, 300 lbs I expect more than 8 rebounds per game.  His offensive development is horrible. I know people on NT like to use the "well you know theres 2 sides to the game" argument...but dog, theres 2 sides to the game.  You cant be a star player if you're inept in half of the game of basketball.  I see too many games of my 7'2, 300 lb center having 4 points 6 rebounds, 2 points 4 rebounds, ect for me to be able to call him a good player.  Hes not the only player in the league who players excellent defense, lets be real here.  But hes the only player in the All Star game who's offensive production is way below average for his position

are James Harden, carmelo, steph curry stars?

 

[rck3sactown]

Didn't Yao Ming averaged around 8 boards a game?

 

[reggiekiller]

 

I can absolutely call him trash.  Hes an excellent defender, but when you're 7'2, 300 lbs I expect more than 8 rebounds per game.  His offensive development is horrible. I know people on NT like to use the "well you know theres 2 sides to the game" argument...but dog, theres 2 sides to the game.  You cant be a star player if you're inept in half of the game of basketball.  I see too many games of my 7'2, 300 lb center having 4 points 6 rebounds, 2 points 4 rebounds, ect for me to be able to call him a good player.  Hes not the only player in the league who players excellent defense, lets be real here.  But hes the only player in the All Star game who's offensive production is way below average for his position

are James Harden, carmelo, steph curry stars?

 

[Hahahaha]

I fully expect a questionable Woodson rotational move.

It's coming (phrasing)

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Didn't Yao Ming averaged around 8 boards a game?

the reality is above 7-1 unless they are incredible athletes they tend to be poor at gathering rebounds.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

your definition of outplayed is amazing more box score stats than the other guys?

the best defense in the league is built around hibbert, every second he's on the court he has an impact on the game.

nobdy cares if he gets 8 rebounds or 10.

 

[dt43]

Then Minny would prob just cut Toronto out and trade directly with the other team.

Minnesota isn't gonna trade away their franchise for a couple picks here and there. They'll want to get back legit young talent they can build around. For Toronto, Derozan + Val would be the starting point.

they say that now, but time is running out and the nba knows it. everybody thinks love is gone, they can't make the playoffs now is the time.

who can make a better offer AND also take the risk he wont resign? Chicago maybe?

Chicago, Phoenix, Golden State, to name a few. And Love has a much higher chance in resigning with those organizations than Toronto, they all have that going for them.

Idk, I just don't see Minny listening to a trade proposal from Toronto. Chicago can take on more contracts, Phoenix has better picks, Golden State has more young pieces.

 

[tyonenine]

Hibbert is I would say at minimum is equally valuable as Paul George.

Only when he plays Miami

 

[sea manup]

ralph sampson 7'4 - 8.8 rpg

vlade divac 7'1 - 8.2 rpg

shawn bradley 7'6 - 6.3 rpg

yao ming 7'6 - 9.2 rpg

 

[Nawzlew]

If the NBA places ads on jerseys, do you think the jerseys we buy will also have the ads on them?

 

[big j 33]

You can say he's not a "star", but to call him trash is foolish. I don't care how disappointing his offensive game is.. you're not trash when you anchor the league's best defense. That's just narrow-minded. It was just as ridiculous when people called Dwight a bum for not averaging 30 a game or having Hakeem post moves.. it's an exaggeration to criticize Hibbert to that degree.

No, he's not the only one who plays defense, but he's the one your team drafted and built their elite defense around. So you pay the man for that highly valuable contribution to your championship caliber team.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Chicago, Phoenix, Golden State, to name a few. And Love has a much higher chance in resigning with those organizations than Toronto.

what the hell does golden state have?


Phoenix I would agree, but not by much.

Chicago has a risk averse ownership so I don't think they would do it without assurance he would resign, and i don't think you would ever get that.

 

[JD617]

Mike Miller will forever make clutch threes.

 

[tomdiginson]

Knicks don't play defense ?

 

[reggiekiller]

 

 

your definition of outplayed is amazing more box score stats than the other guys?

the best defense in the league is built around hibbert, every second he's on the court he has an impact on the game.

I'm not saying he doesnt impact the game.

He does, he is an integral cog in the defense....but his effort on the boards, and his skill on offense is easily below average.  I dont see why its hard to see why I have a problem with him being incredibly poor on that end of the floor.

And yes, box score stats have to tell the tale.  Roy Hibbert, one of the best defenders in the league, gave up 16 and 6 to his match up (who averages 6 and 3 for the season).  Yes, I expect that Roy Hibberts defense will be able to trump Pero Antic's offense.  Maybe I have unrealistic expectations, but he doesnt meat the criteria for a star.  I appreciate what he does for my squad on defense, but in an offense with a few shaky shooters, I need Hibbert to provide a legit low post offensive threat, both to score, and on the glass.

 

[big j 33]

If the NBA places ads on jerseys, do you think the jerseys we buy will also have the ads on them?

Yes, that's the entire point of companies paying for the ads... to gain exposure of their brand.

 

[nelson999]

If the NBA places ads on jerseys, do you think the jerseys we buy will also have the ads on them?

You mean jerseys we WON'T buy....

 

[rck3sactown]

Didn't Yao Ming averaged around 8 boards a game?

the reality is above 7-1 unless they are incredible athletes they tend to be poor at gathering rebounds.

this is true.

See Rik Smits, Arvydas Sabonis (although in his late age when he entered the league, he was damn athletic in his younger days), Luc Longley, Shawn Bradley, Gheorghe Muresan, Greg Ostertag, etc the list goes on.

Mutombo is the only 7'1+ player I can think of that was a decent rebounder.

 

[akhi]

Take everything in this picture into consideration... Roy is NOT a bum...

 

[Peep Game]

Melo should've just went ahead and put that up instead of trying to find JR

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I'm not saying he doesnt impact the game.

He does, he is an integral cog in the defense....but his effort on the boards, and his skill on offense is easily below average.  I dont see why its hard to see why I have a problem with him being incredibly poor on that end of the floor.

And yes, box score stats have to tell the tale.  Roy Hibbert, one of the best defenders in the league, gave up 16 and 6 to his match up (who averages 6 and 3 for the season).  Yes, I expect that Roy Hibberts defense will be able to trump Pero Antic's offense.  Maybe I have unrealistic expectations, but he doesnt meat the criteria for a star.  I appreciate what he does for my squad on defense, but in an offense with a few shaky shooters, I need Hibbert to provide a legit low post offensive threat, both to score, and on the glass.

1. effort on the boards, how many guys above 7-1 were incredible rebounders? unless you are freak athlete being 7-1 limits your mobility. hibberts probably about average.

2. box score stats are useless for evaluating defense, like completley useless, this isn't 1999 where the NBA was mostly one on one.

if hibbert was what you described he would be a top 3 players in the league, boo hoo for you that he's only top 15.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

The Mavs are an Asik or ironically enough Tyson Chandler trade away from being legit contenders.

 

[rck3sactown]

The Mavs are an Asik or ironically enough Tyson Chandler trade away from being legit contenders.

I'll admit, I've only seen like 2 oe 3 Mavs games.... but is Dalembert not holding down in the middle?

I do remember hearing that he was in the dog house for a bit, but then so was Blair.