2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[sea manup]

 

 
in supporting him you just compared his ideas to every other idiotic idea posted on here regarding KD

Duhhh....that was the point.

I'm saying that with the rest of the ridiculous **** you guys say on here that I'll allow the ridiculous **** he's saying

i was just making sure he knew that there is no one here actually agreeing with him

 

[shoeking2101]

i didnt reply to your previous comments b/c they were like rehashed topics and head scratchers. im replying to this one just to tell you this

Cool

 

[carltonjunior]

KD in regards to Lebron isn't the better playmaker, defender, post player, does not shoot as well from the field,....I mean, how is he the better player? Nothing really supports that notion.

Aside from being the better shooter, what does KD do so great that it makes him the better overall player than lebron? Srs question

Defender is arguable, much more arguable than you think. The difference between their TS% is minimal, KD's shooting way better away from the basket, difference just being scoring at the rim. By the way, KD draws more fouls and shoots better at the foul line (MUCH BETTER), which makes him a MUCH better scorer. There's also the fact that he's a better rebounder, he turns the ball over less at a higher usage rate (which is why NBA.com has him as a better playmaker.).

EDIT: To top it off let's not forget KD this season is beating LeBron at the one stat that most people know him for, and that's Player Efficiency Rating. That's a big deal.

 

[bonafide hustla]

perhaps he might be filling the void of the teams main facilitator being out? 

so why no fall off when westbrook is gone? would the thunder be as successful with westbrook doing what yall call facilitating?

 

[tommyicerocking]

 

[sea manup]

 

perhaps he might be filling the void of the teams main facilitator being out? 

so why no fall off when westbrook is gone? would the thunder be as successful with westbrook doing what yall call facilitating?

he is facilitating MORE because westbrook is out, normally westbrook does most of the facilitating but since he is not playing KD has stepped up

is that second question a serious question?

 

[bonafide hustla]

i was just making sure he knew that there is no one here actually agreeing with him

zzzzZzzZZzz to both of yall

 

[do work son]

so you're now saying, his assists haven't gone up, but he's drastically become a better facilitator. you'd have been better off saying he's become a better and more willing passer, and has an easier time finding the open man. i'd have agreed with that. he's not doing much new though. he's scorching hot from the field right now, and is getting better at knowing where to go with the ball if the defense doubles up on him.

all of it. i repeat. ALL OF IT, is predicated on his ability as a scorer first, though.

 

[sea manup]

"The ACB of OKC" actually has a nice ring to it

 

[bonafide hustla]

he is facilitating MORE because westbrook is out, normally westbrook does most of the facilitating but since he is not playing KD has stepped up

is that second question a serious question?

sorry i articulated that wrong.

if KD was out....westbrook "facilitating"...would the thunder be as successful?

 

[tommyicerocking]

Slim Reaper is KD nickname..... Hate it or Love It?

 

[hand2handking]

hockey assister = facilitator?

 

[bonafide hustla]

so you're now saying, his assists haven't gone up, but he's drastically become a better facilitator. you'd have been better off saying he's become a better and more willing passer, and has an easier time finding the open man. i'd have agreed with that. he's not doing much new though. he's scorching hot from the field right now, and is getting better at knowing where to go with the ball if the defense doubles up on him.

all of it. i repeat. ALL OF IT, is predicated on his ability as a scorer first, though.

obviously predicated off his ability to score....but that doesnt mean he isn't clearly facilitating. he came in as a scorer and added facilitating. is that an issue. does that mean he isn't facilitating? again, im convinced yall arent watching the actual game. the other players are a lot more engaged with KD facilitating. with westbrook driving around all day, it takes away from other people's games. not just KD. i wasnt gonna answer anymore facilitating questions, but it sounds like maybe you're genuinely trying to understand what im depicting. but i still dont know where we'll get with me having to explain this continuously. its obvious i dont consider facilitating what you do, and others around here also do.

 

[carltonjunior]

 
so if KD has an open lane off the pick and roll hes going to go through a mental checklist of

is perkins open? no

is thabo open? no

is jackson open? no

is lamb open? no

okay, NOW i can try to score

Open lanes are different. You look to score first but it's when there isn't a open lane then you keep all of this in mind. When you force the issue instead of making a play then you're making a mistake. Westbrook usually forces the issue, a problem with KD at times is that he'll try to make a play when really he should look to score which leads to a turnover.

It's about reading the defense. I don't know what you were trying to prove anyway with that question

 

[sea manup]

this sounds close to all that thunder dont need westbrook talk that was happening before last years playoffs

 

[do work son]

so you're now saying, his assists haven't gone up, but he's drastically become a better facilitator. you'd have been better off saying he's become a better and more willing passer, and has an easier time finding the open man. i'd have agreed with that. he's not doing much new though. he's scorching hot from the field right now, and is getting better at knowing where to go with the ball if the defense doubles up on him.

all of it. i repeat. ALL OF IT, is predicated on his ability as a scorer first, though.

obviously predicated off his ability to score....but that doesnt mean he isn't clearly facilitating. he came in as a scorer and added facilitating. is that an issue. does that mean he isn't facilitating? again, im convinced yall arent watching the actual game. the other players are a lot more engaged with KD facilitating. with westbrook driving around all day, it takes away from other people's games. not just KD. i wasnt gonna answer anymore facilitating questions, but it sounds like maybe you're genuinely trying to understand what im depicting. but i still dont know where we'll get with me having to explain this continuously. its obvious i dont consider facilitating what you do, and others around here also do.

i guess what we can agree on is that KD lets the "offense come to him" more than russ, who forces the issue by being aggressive, and looking for his shot more than the pass even if the pass was the "right basketball play" to make.

i just think it's marginal and both players are able to get the other guys shots where they need.

 

[sea manup]

 

 
so if KD has an open lane off the pick and roll hes going to go through a mental checklist of

is perkins open? no

is thabo open? no

is jackson open? no

is lamb open? no

okay, NOW i can try to score

Open lanes are different. You look to score first but it's when there isn't a open lane then you keep all of this in mind. When you force the issue instead of making a play then you're making a mistake. Westbrook usually forces the issue, a problem with KD at times is that he'll try to make a play when really he should look to score which leads to a turnover.

It's about reading the defense. I don't know what you were trying to prove anyway with that question

KD like westbrook like kobe like lebron like melo like harden like wade always tries to score first, if the defense gets in the way they have to make the choice of passing out or using their exceptional scoring ability to score anyways. all these guys can read the defense thats what makes them great, yes KD is getting better at it but hes not doing anything special.

and when compared to lebron he's not even close

 

[carltonjunior]

And...what are you trying to prove? Nothing I said in the first place had something to do with KD's PnR offense. I consider KD to be an inferior playmaker compared to LeBron, I just think LeBron has more freedom with a better roster designed for him to get assists.

 

[sea manup]

i spent multiple posts talking about how great it would be for the thunder, kd and the fans if he would force up shots and take over games rather than letting the game come to him

he finally does that and i have to listen to people who are using this string of dominant scoring games to tell me that he is a better facilitator than westbrook because he lets the game come to him while westbrook tries to take over games

 

[bonafide hustla]

hockey assister = facilitator?

KD like westbrook like kobe like lebron like melo like harden like wade always tries to score first, if the defense gets in the way they have to make the choice of passing out or using their exceptional scoring ability to score anyways. all these guys can read the defense thats what makes them great, yes KD is getting better at it but hes not doing anything special.

and when compared to lebron he's not even close

im usually not one to pick at one part of a statement, but you put melo in the same company when talking about being a facilitator. .

now i dont know if we're minimizing Bron's facilitating? they all doin it
are we minimizing facilitation as a whole? is facilitation overrated?

comedy.

 

[sea manup]

 
And...what are you trying to prove? Nothing I said in the first place had something to do with KD's PnR offense. I consider KD to be an inferior playmaker compared to LeBron, I just think LeBron has more freedom with a better roster designed for him to get assists.

he averaged more assists with those scrubs in cleveland than he does with this perfect miami team

 

[bonafide hustla]

i spent multiple posts talking about how great it would be for the thunder, kd and the fans if he would force up shots and take over games rather than letting the game come to him

he finally does that and i have to listen to people who are using this string of dominant scoring games to tell me that he is a better facilitator than westbrook because he lets the game come to him while westbrook tries to take over games

whatever dude, you still keep talking bout the scoring when i said the scoring is expected. you just dont mess with facilitating. its not a big thing for anyone that does it......anyone outside of Lebron. we got you.

 

[grandtheftbike]

hockey assister = facilitator?

yes

 

[sea manup]

 

i spent multiple posts talking about how great it would be for the thunder, kd and the fans if he would force up shots and take over games rather than letting the game come to him

he finally does that and i have to listen to people who are using this string of dominant scoring games to tell me that he is a better facilitator than westbrook because he lets the game come to him while westbrook tries to take over games

whatever dude, you still keep talking bout the scoring when i said the scoring is expected. you just dont mess with facilitating. its not a big thing for anyone that does it......anyone outside of Lebron. we got you.

everyone who gets the ball in the hands of an open teammate for an easy basket is facilitating, some just do it better than others

just like how a blake griffin dunk is the same 2 points as a kobe fadeaway over 3 people, westbrook passing the ball to thabo for an open 3 is the same as kd passing the ball to thabo for an open 3. its just that the act of passing to teammates for open shots happens more frequently for westbrook than it does durant, it also happens more frequently for lebron than it does durant

 

[Peep Game]

im gonna fall back off that topic.

This should have been your initial post regarding this topic