2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[Master Zik]

The Mavs are an Asik or ironically enough Tyson Chandler trade away from being legit contenders.

In the D-league?

 

[reggiekiller]

 

I'm not saying he doesnt impact the game.

He does, he is an integral cog in the defense....but his effort on the boards, and his skill on offense is easily below average.  I dont see why its hard to see why I have a problem with him being incredibly poor on that end of the floor.

And yes, box score stats have to tell the tale.  Roy Hibbert, one of the best defenders in the league, gave up 16 and 6 to his match up (who averages 6 and 3 for the season).  Yes, I expect that Roy Hibberts defense will be able to trump Pero Antic's offense.  Maybe I have unrealistic expectations, but he doesnt meat the criteria for a star.  I appreciate what he does for my squad on defense, but in an offense with a few shaky shooters, I need Hibbert to provide a legit low post offensive threat, both to score, and on the glass.

1. effort on the boards, how many guys above 7-1 were incredible rebounders? unless you are freak athlete being 7-1 limits your mobility. hibberts probably about average.

2. box score stats are useless for evaluating defense, like completley useless, this isn't 1999 where the NBA was mostly one on one.

if hibbert was what you described he would be a top 3 players in the league, boo hoo for you that he's only top 15.

Bron, KD, Melo, CP3, Harden, Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Bosh, Noah, Curry, Blake, Horford, Dirk, PG24, Drummond, Greg Monroe, Al Jefferson, Aldridge, (healthy) Rondo, (healthy) Kobe, (healthy) D Rose.

all players I'm taking over Hibbert, probably quite a few I didnt think of off top.  The injured dudes are obviously not really in play I guess, but still.  And Hibbert might be interchangeable with a couple of those dudes, but the point remains, dude isnt good enough to be considered more than a defensive specialist.  

Theres nothing wrong with being a defensive specialist by the way.

 

[lynchpin33]

rebounds are going to come back and haunt the Heat. Dallas is killing them on the boards tonight.

 

[dt43]

Chicago, Phoenix, Golden State, to name a few. And Love has a much higher chance in resigning with those organizations than Toronto.

what the hell does golden state have?


Phoenix I would agree, but not by much.

Chicago has a risk averse ownership so I don't think they would do it without assurance he would resign, and i don't think you would ever get that.

Golden State could offer some combination of Lee/Klay/Barnes.. plus some picks from a third team. That's more along the lines of what Minny would be looking to get back. Guys who they can build a good team around moving forward

I can't see them just panicking and sending him to Toronto for Derozan, and I'm not sure Ujiri would even want to take the risk himself.

 

[woody2626]

Al Jefferson with 32/12/7. He's had some crazy #s this season.

5th 30-10 game in his last 9.

8th 30 point game of the season, 24th double-double

We need one more piece to go with him and Kemba.

 

[Peep Game]

The Mavs are an Asik or ironically enough Tyson Chandler trade away from being legit contenders.

OK

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[jumpmanfromdabay]

If the NBA places ads on jerseys, do you think the jerseys we buy will also have the ads on them?

You mean jerseys we WON'T buy....

People would still buy them though

 

[Nawzlew]

If the NBA places ads on jerseys, do you think the jerseys we buy will also have the ads on them?

You mean jerseys we WON'T buy....

People would still buy them though

If it does I'ma just cop knockoffs. :\

 

[wavycrocket]

If you really think Roy Hibbert is a top 15 player based solely on his defense, then what value do you place on hyper efficient offensive players who only play that side of the ball? Are they top 15 too?

Or is the defensive value of a center the reason you think he's a top 15 player?

Also.. What about those elite defensive wings like Tony Allen, and Bruce Bowen of the past. I'm sure you wouldn't consider them top 15 players based on one side of the ball. Would you?

 

[SneakerProSr.]

If you really think Roy Hibbert is a top 15 player based solely on his defense, then what value do you place on hyper efficient offensive players who only play that side of the ball? Are they top 15 too?

Or is the defensive value of a center the reason you think he's a top 15 player?

Also.. What about those elite defensive wings like Tony Allen, and Bruce Bowen of the past. I'm sure you wouldn't consider them top 15 players based on one side of the ball. Would you?

Elite wing defenders don't impact the game like an elite big.

 

[reggiekiller]

Also.. What about those elite defensive wings like Tony Allen, and Bruce Bowen of the past. I'm sure you wouldn't consider them top 15 players based on one side of the ball. Would you?

my point.  Avery Bradley? 

 

[urbetterthenme]

If you really think Roy Hibbert is a top 15 player based solely on his defense, then what value do you place on hyper efficient offensive players who only play that side of the ball? Are they top 15 too?

Or is the defensive value of a center the reason you think he's a top 15 player?

Also.. What about those elite defensive wings like Tony Allen, and Bruce Bowen of the past. I'm sure you wouldn't consider them top 15 players based on one side of the ball. Would you?

Bredan Haywood in 2007 is better than 2014 Roy

 

[calibeebee]

kyrie only 8 shot attempts after winning the asg mvp

im impressed 

Hot Sauce

HOT SIZZZLE!

 

[tyonenine]

Lebron

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Bron, KD, Melo, CP3, Harden, Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Bosh, Noah, Curry, Blake, Horford, Dirk, PG24, Drummond, Greg Monroe, Al Jefferson, Aldridge, (healthy) Rondo, (healthy) Kobe, (healthy) D Rose.

all players I'm taking over Hibbert, probably quite a few I didnt think of off top.  The injured dudes are obviously not really in play I guess, but still.  And Hibbert might be interchangeable with a couple of those dudes, but the point remains, dude isnt good enough to be considered more than a defensive specialist.  

Theres nothing wrong with being a defensive specialist by the way.

laughably awful list.

indefensible.

Drummond, Greg Monroe, Al Jefferson, Horford, Anthony Davis

not really defensible

Noah, Bosh, Harden, Rondo, Kobe, Blake

arguable.

Dirk, PG24, Aldridge, Dwight Howard, Wesstbrook,


people think the nba is fatasy basketball, who ever has the most double doubles at the end of the season wins.

 

[Humbled]

Bron cooking right now

 

[americangenius]

LBJ on fire right now against the mavs, pretty close game

 

[JD617]

Knicks don't play defense ?

They don't even know who they're supposed to be guarding half the time. They switch unnecessarily, double unnecessarily, screw up rotations, lose track of someone, point at each other to try to figure out whose man is scoring, and repeat. 

 

[don ramon]

ehh

 

[sea manup]

while hibbert would be a top defender anywhere, playing in the pacers defensive system really brings out the best of roy hibbert when it comes to defense

he fits perfectly with the rest of the team (partly because they build their defense around him) and the other 4 guys are good enough at scoring to make up for is average offensive game

he's like a "z" in scabble, may not fit into a lot of words but when you do find the perfect fit he gives you lots in return 

 

[osh kosh bosh]

while hibbert would be a top defender anywhere, playing in the pacers defensive system really brings out the best of roy hibbert when it comes to defense

he fits perfectly with the rest of the team (partly because they build their defense around him) and the other 4 guys are good enough at scoring to make up for is average offensive game


he's like a "z" in scabble, may not fit into a lot of words but when you do find the perfect fit he gives you lots in return 

other than lebron, kd, cp3, this is true for every other second tier superstar.


steph curry gotta run spread pick and roll with multiple shooters to get the best out of him

gotta roll melo out at small ball 4 with shooters around him to get the best out of him

gotta play a passive d scheme, so you can play lamarcus at 4 to make up for his lack of footspeed and so he can shoot over smaller 4's.

Harden you gotta have a point who can play well without the ball and shoot threes to get the best out of him..


etc etc etc.

 

[rook]

Probably posted but Melo

So real

 

[sea manup]

curry and melo would be allstars on any team

put hibbert on a non defensive team or a team where he is needed to score and he's "a solid defensive center" and not even thought about for the allstar game

not to say allstar selections are the determining factor to the value of a player

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Tough to rank players that play different positions but I don't think it's such an outrageous thing to say Hibbert isn't a top 15 player. He is a great piece though and I do think defense is undervalued in a sense. There are certainly 15 players I'd choose before Hibbert.

 

[woody2626]

Probably posted but Melo

So real