Originally Posted by 100027
Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
They actually can and don't have to be mutually exclusive. Just look at the roster, Who on that team would you consider an elite or even average offensive player. Good up and down that roster and list those players as offensive or defensive specialists? One that commands constant attention or can get a double team to get others open looks? Hell they traded away their best offensive threat outside of Rose in Deng and actually played better the rest of the year. How is that not overachieving?
I don't agree with you, I think they are mutually exclusive. In my opinion if you have an MVP type player, DPOTY, and 6MOTY then being average is not overachieving. You have to pick and choose who you give that level of praise to when the ultimate product on the floor is nothing special .
To me it's similar to having a .500 team send 4 guys to the all star game.
Me? I'm in the middle of your position.
I agree that being average w/ a DPOY, 6MOY, and MVP-type player is not overachieving.
I disagree that having a COTY and Exec Of the Year dissolves any "No help!" arguments. COTY and EOY aren't putting points up or stopping anyone from scoring. DPY/6MOY/MVP-types are actual players, directly responsible for the quality of play.