2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

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nah, the reality is 2 gaurd is a historically not great position, we overrate it because of Jordan.

From what perspective? From an efficiency "chucking" standpoint then I guess this holds to a degree, but there have been quite a few great two guards in recent memory. In the early to mid 2000's AI, Kobe, VC, Tmac, Paul Pierce, D Wade, Ray Allen, Allan Houston, and others were holding it down.
 
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Never Forget!!!


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the shooting guards in the league are too young...but i expect most of them to make major jumps....Demar is going to continue to get better, Beal is only 20 years old...give him some time and James Harden is still talented

The biggest myth concerning NBA players is that because they are young, that they'll automatically get better tbh
 
 
nah, the reality is 2 gaurd is a historically not great position, we overrate it because of Jordan.
From what perspective? From an efficiency "chucking" standpoint then I guess this holds to a degree, but there have been quite a few great two guards in recent memory. In the early to mid 2000's AI, Kobe, VC, Tmac, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Allan Houston, and others were holding it down.
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AI is a top 5 2guard to me though. And while every other position is indeed stronger, there are some tremendous 2 guards that I feel you left out

sure maybe, splitting hairs I'm just saying theres a drop off.


point is 2 gaurd is a position that is overrated because of two recent popular celebrity stars. kobe jordan but when you dig in your in mitch richmod territory sooner that you thought.
 
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Everyone just lets a couple games influence your overall opinion of a player, though.


I get that the playoffs are important.. and if you're awesome all season but suck for four straight games and your team gets bounced.. that's something to notice and comment on. But let's not pretend that James Harden isn't a top guard in the league, because he is. He's awful on defense and struggling right now, but still..
hes been bad in three straight playoffs. a bunch of guys in here have said mid season that his game (looking for fouls) will not work in the playoffs

lack of offense, combined with literally 0 effort on defense = not that great of a player

Bad in three straight playoffs? Really?

21 PER in 2012 and 2013. Don't let his struggles against Miami make you forget the rest of the playoffs. 17.6 points on 45% shooting (45% from #), 5 rebounds, 3.3 assists on 31 minutes a game through the Western Conference Finals. That isn't bad. No denying his struggles against Miami were killer.. back to back 2/10 shooting games sucked. They were also a young team and he was 22.. so not the end of the world

2013.. no one was going to pick Houston over OKC. He struggled from the field, still got to the line so he was scoring 26 a game on 19 shots. Plus 6.7 rebounds and 4.5 assists. That isn't bad. Sorry..

He's playing terrible right now, no doubt, but yeah.. three straight years is just misleading.
 
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