2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

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I am bothered by it because people talk about him as this mythical creature who just creates the easiest plays for his teammates and does stuff that no one else can do.

I'm pretty sure a lot of PG's could set the table for Blake and DeAndre. I think he's a great regular season player who excells when he can flop and perimiter fouls are called more but when it comes to playoff games and the game get more physical a lot of his value goes down the drain. It's harder to create easy shots for your less talented teammates in the playoffs and he just doesn't score enough for me to get his appeal. Plus, people lawd his defense but he can only guard one position.

CP3 before the knee injury was so amazing, really a transcendent player. But he's a ****** who can't really get easy buckets. 5'11 guys don't have much value to me. At some point, he has to win something to justify how much people lawd him.
I don't totally disagree with you...  And his postseason numbers, while still great, have definitely declined since he's been on the Clippers.  He's far from Deron Williams status 
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, but he has a lot on the line here.
 
Carmelo Anthony stat of the day:

You guys know how Kevin Durant is having a terrible shooting postseason?  He's been locked down by Tony Allen and struggled so badly that his hometown newspaper called him "Mr. Unreliable".

Well, his shooting % this series (.412) is essentially the same—within .05 percentage points—as Carmelo Anthony's lifetime playoff shooting % over TEN seasons in the playoffs (.417)...  and probably likely to overtake that number in game 7.

 That is just one special reason why Carmelo Anthony is not a special player....  Even at scoring.  And people on this site were comparing to Carmelo to Durant last year  :lol:

So horrible for Durant is average for Melo :lol:

Oh..and Stockon, Nash and Kidd >> Cp3
 
Westbrook aka 31 fgas took all that heat. The headline was just click bait which worked mightily. Any ad click through sales revenue and paper brick and mortar sales might have been negated by the amount of people who pledged to cancel their subscription though over it.
 
Yeah...nobody in the world blamed KD for OKC facing elimination.

Nobody in this thread...not the newspaper...nobody.
 
Carmelo Anthony stat of the day:

You guys know how Kevin Durant is having a terrible shooting postseason?  He's been locked down by Tony Allen and struggled so badly that his hometown newspaper called him "Mr. Unreliable".

Well, his shooting % this series (.412) is essentially the same—within .05 percentage points—as Carmelo Anthony's lifetime playoff shooting % over TEN seasons in the playoffs (.417)...  and probably likely to overtake that number in game 7.

 That is just one special reason why Carmelo Anthony is not a special player....  Even at scoring.  And people on this site were comparing to Carmelo to Durant last year  :lol:

Thanks. So KD shoots a higher percentage in his playoff failures ?
 
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Ummm...I'm pretty sure KD caught all the heat, especially for the last lost. Hence the newspaper article.

The real difference was Butler playing instead of Sefolosha, Steven Adams in the paint and Durant making shots he usually makes.

Dude has been ice cold most of the series, Tony Allen's defense is a factor but its not like he's been forcing KD to put up impossible shots.

KD caught SOME heat, but for the most part everyone was protecting him. Even during last night's telecast, they threw a jab at Westbrook saying "your PG is taking 20+ shots". At the end of the day, Westbrook and Brooks still caught more heat. That Durant "unreliable" comment story was overblown and after the writer commented on it, everyone start protecting him.
 
i can'treally say cp3 is a better pg than prime nash..at all. maybe in terms of having 1 or 2 more playground moves to add to the excitement...but this dude nash was unbelievable. on the flip side i like cp3's agression when it comes to scoring, sometimes. nash, statistically is the greatest shooter ever, but dude wouldn't maximize those stats and use that skill. he'd opt to swing it to jarod ******* dudley.


its funny but the analysts say why Russy plays in control and looks to distribute, he's the best in the L. Prisoners of the moment bro
 
You're welcome.  You're all welcome!!!
So horrible for Durant is average for Melo
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Oh..and Stockon, Nash and Kidd >> Cp3
Don't forget my man Glove.  

But yes, CP3 isn't at those guy's level.  I was thinking about ranking them and each was so special in his own way.  Great, great players....  I want to put Nash last for his defense, but he might be the greatest shooter of all time...
 
Steve Nash/Jason Kidd/Gary Payton/John Stockton

An argument could be made for any four of those guys to me. Until CP3 does something of worth like those guys, he's not in that class.
Kidd, Payton and Stockton sure, but Nash? Don't agree with that one but until CP3 makes a deep run he will always have that against him.
 
I mean, who has been the best point guard since Magic/Isaiah?

Steve Nash/Jason Kidd/Gary Payton/John Stockton

An argument could be made for any four of those guys to me. Until CP3 does something of worth like those guys, he's not in that class.

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in my lifetime those are probably the best ive seen. i may even throw tp9 in that group with those guys before cp0
 
KD caught SOME heat, but for the most part everyone was protecting him. Even during last night's telecast, they threw a jab at Westbrook saying "your PG is taking 20+ shots". At the end of the day, Westbrook and Brooks still caught more heat. That Durant "unreliable" comment story was overblown and after the writer commented on it, everyone start protecting him.

I disagree. Everywhere I saw Durant was getting burned.

Westbrook deserved any flack he caught. 20 missed shots is absurd when you're playing with the best scorer in the league. Last night was a perfect example of how Westbrook should play every night.

Glad brooks finally made an adjustment and realized that Thabo has no business playing in this series
 
I disagree. Everywhere I saw Durant was getting burned.

Westbrook deserved any flack he caught. 20 missed shots is absurd when you're playing with the best scorer in the league. Last night was a perfect example of how Westbrook should play every night.

Glad brooks finally made an adjustment and realized that Thabo has no business playing in this series
Durant got way more heat than Westbrook for once, it seemed.  ESPN has been all over him for the most part.
So KD shoots a higher percentage in his playoff failures ?
Well no, KD also has a very good playoff record as opposed to Carmelo's which is one of the worst of all time.  But I figured ya'll knew that fact already.  

But yes, my point was similar to what Malik pointed out, Durant's horrible is Carmelo's average.  And Carmelo has been anything but an elite scorer come playoff time...  since we all know he's not good at much else.
 
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Ummm...I'm pretty sure KD caught all the heat, especially for the last lost. Hence the newspaper article.

The real difference was Butler playing instead of Sefolosha, Steven Adams in the paint and Durant making shots he usually makes.

Dude has been ice cold most of the series, Tony Allen's defense is a factor but its not like he's been forcing KD to put up impossible shots.

KD caught SOME heat, but for the most part everyone was protecting him. Even during last night's telecast, they threw a jab at Westbrook saying "your PG is taking 20+ shots". At the end of the day, Westbrook and Brooks still caught more heat. That Durant "unreliable" comment story was overblown and after the writer commented on it, everyone start protecting him.

This dude Kenny wouldn't even call a positive Westbrook highlight without calling it a mistake. The play when Westbrook drove in transition then kicked back out to KD at the top for a 3 which KD airballed and WB dunk tipped in. Kenny kept claiming WB was supposed to be back on D, like magically drive and kick and pass to KD then teleport back to defense, when KD was already at the top of the key since he just shot from there and was responsible for floor balance. Then Chuck is just like, "Man he got 14 shots already though!"

It'll be that way his whole career, just predisposition to criticism. Nobody said anything when Curry had 17 fgas at the half.
 
I just thought the media talking about Durant had more to deal with the stupidity of the headline in the newspaper.

It was light criticism that focused more so on how "rude" it was for the writer to title the article "Mr. Unreliable". A lot of people pretty much made a mockery out of it because of how ridiculous they thought it was.

There's a difference between a player getting bombarded by criticism because he takes too many shots or blaming him for not passing it to role players. Just constantly blaming him for every little mistake.
 
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It'll be that way his whole career, just predisposition to criticism. Nobody said anything when Curry had 17 fgas at the half.
Westbrook's shot selection is just so weird at times, nobody said anything about Curry's 17 attempts because he doesn't hijack the offense nearly as much as Westbrook does.
 
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Westbrook's shot selection is just so weird at times, nobody said anything about Curry's 17 attempts because he doesn't hijack the offense nearly as much as Westbrook does.

Oh, Curry takes bad shots, but they always look like good shots because of how great of a shooter he is :lol: .
 
This dude Kenny wouldn't even call a positive Westbrook highlight without calling it a mistake. The play when Westbrook drove in transition then kicked back out to KD at the top for a 3 which KD airballed and WB dunk tipped in. Kenny kept claiming WB was supposed to be back on D, like magically drive and kick and pass to KD then teleport back to defense, when KD was already at the top of the key since he just shot from there and was responsible
for floor balance. Then Chuck is just like, "Man he got 14 shots already though!"

It'll be that way his whole career, just predisposition to criticism. Nobody said anything when Curry had 17 fgas at the half.

Kenny and Chuck aren't that bright :lol:

But let's be serious..WB isn't 1/4 the shooter curry is. And Curry isn't playing with the 2nd best player in the league. So that's a real apples to oranges comparison.
 
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It'll be that way his whole career, just predisposition to criticism. Nobody said anything when Curry had 17 fgas at the half.
Westbrook's shot selection is just so weird at times, nobody said anything about Curry's 17 attempts because he doesn't hijack the offense nearly as much as Westbrook does.

steph is also the best shooter on his team. kd is the best on okc.
 
Oh, Curry takes bad shots, but they always look like good shots because of how great of a shooter he is
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Again, I said Curry doesn't hijack the offense nearly as much as Westbrook does. Not necessarily talking about taking bad shots, every scorer takes bad shots. But when it comes to hijacking the offense and taking bad shots, Westbrook is near the top in that category and it looks even worse having Durant as his teammate.
 
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I still believe if curry shot as much as he did at davidson and went westbrook all game the warriors would be better.
 
With the way he's talked about by some people "Best PG since Magic," "3rd best player in the league" I don't know, I'd expect him to maybe, take over a single game this round against a team without a real center.

And save the injury crap cause Melo was still dropping 30+ against Indiana last playoffs with one functional shoulder. He can continue to get fellatio from every stat head but at the end of the day, the eye test don't lie.
i wasn't arguing with u just wanted to know who said that stupid ****.  but now i realize it was just your typical nt overexageration to justify slander

kj was pretty nice too as far as post magic pgs are concerned
 
This may sound really silly...but, I've been more afraid of Westbrook's impact in the series than Durant. OKC's success is really depending on how Westbrook plays.

The reason why? If Westbrook plays bad and takes a lot of shots, that means less shots for Durant and OKC loses. If he plays under control, has a good game and doesn't take as many shots, OKC wins. Durant's play solely relies on Westbrook because Westbrook is the alpha dog, if that makes any sense.

Regardless, Durant gets the glory even though their success is more reliant on Westbrook's play.
 
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This isn't like the regular season when KD is shooting 52% and WB is shooting 42% They're both in the 30's from the field and 20's from 3. Serge is the one who needs to be getting more shots but same time he passes them up in the 4th like the ball is on fire
 
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