2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[victor page]

Klay Thompson > Bradley Beal

Nope

 

[victor page]

They aren't that different. They are very similar, and IMO are kind of getting overrated.

Neither of those guys can put it on the deck and create for themselves that well, and neither gets to the free throw line that well either. They are mostly spot up guys with one or two dribble moves, and that's it. Neither are really good creators with the ball either, that is they aren't making plays for themselves or others that often. They are on the receiving end of the play most of the time.

Klay is an okay defender, but neither are noteworthy on that side of the ball to me. I think the ceiling on both of these guys are 15-17 PPG unless they start to develop other facets of their game and play in the paint more.

So Beal's ceiling is 3 points better than what he did as a 19 year old?

Ight Tho

 

[100027]

So Beal's ceiling is 3 points better than what he did as a 19 year old?

Ight Tho

Beal was in the NBA at 19? Hadn't known that.

 

[shox23]

[quote name="VICTOR PAGE" url="/t/571782/2013-nba-season-discussion-thread-preseason-underway/1200#post_18919985"]So Beal's ceiling is 3 points better than what he did as a 19 year old?Ight Tho

Beal was in the NBA at 19? Hadn't known that.[/quote]

He got drafted on his birthday

 

[datznasty]

 

[pmatic]

Stacey King.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

 

[shoeking2101]

Beal was in the NBA at 19? Hadn't known that.

It's not about his age. All his age means is that he can potentially get better than what he is now, that doesn't mean much. At 20 OJ was at 19 a game and as of right now he's nothing more than your standard, above average 2 guard in the league.

He has immense potential to improve. However, his ceiling will be limited if he doesn't expand his game a bit. He's finishing a lot of plays, and if he is to achieve the promise that a lot of people and pundits see in him, he'll have to start creating plays for himself and others, instead of just relying mostly on his jumpshot.

I actually see a lot of OJ in Bradley Beal. Beal's a little more athletic and has him by a couple of inches however all of that is negated because they both have mostly the same strengths and weaknesses. Neither play in the paint and get to the line, and are more supreme shooters than scorers. OJ at 19 and 20 was probably better at creating since he played the point most of his life, but beyond that they are very similar.

Bradley Beal (Along with Waiters, Rivers, Mayo, and a few others) are favorites of mine. I root for Beal. I want him to be more than what OJ, Crawford, and the JJ reddick's of the world are. That is, 15 3 and 4 kind of guys. That isn't bad, but I want beal to be more than that and the key will be how much he expands his game beyond simply a shooter and gathering other points from loose plays, etc.

 

[shoeking2101]

Great play by rose, but that's good D by Peyton and I may be blind, but I ain't see no one get crossed or broken

 

[pmatic]

Juice was 21 for most of his rookie year.

I do agree with shoeking2101's assessment that Beal needs to get to the basket and draw more fouls though.

 

[antidope]

 

Carmelo Anthony: "I want to be a free agent"

NEW YORK -- New York Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony said in a recent interview that he wants to opt out of the final year of his contract this summer and test free agency.

"I want to be a free agent," Anthony told the New York Observer. "I think everybody in the NBA dreams to be a free agent at least one time in their career. It's like you have an evaluation period, you know. It's like if I'm in the gym and I have all the coaches, all the owners, all the GMs come into the gym and just evaluate everything I do. So yes, I want that experience."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9834846

Talking about free agency in Pre-Season

 what a jerk.

 

[black migo]

Great play by rose, but that's good D by Peyton and I may be blind, but I ain't see no one get crossed or broken

Yeah alot of rainbowness going on in that video, good play tho, i see terrio is big out here, no pun

 

[sea manup]

 Great play by rose, but that's good D by Peyton and I may be blind, but I ain't see no one get crossed or broken

yeah i dont see it, just one of those moves that you cant do anything about. i wouldnt be ashamed if i was peyton

 

[shoeking2101]

Juice was 21 for most of his rookie year.

I do agree with shoeking2101's assessment that Beal needs to get to the basket and draw more fouls though.

You are right, Juice was 21 for most of his rookie year but the point I was trying to make was that he was producing immediately out the gate as a young player (like beal), more than what Beal is doing now. However, until this point, OJ hasn't surpassed what he did individually during his rookie year.

Just because Beal is a young guy doesn't necessarily he'll add more to his game. On the contrary, most players when they hit the L are what they are, and refine what it is that they do great that got them in the league in the first place. This is especially true of 2 guards for the most part.

So Beal can become a top 2 guard in the L, but he'll never be a 20 5 & 5 guy unless he starts playing with the ball more, playing in the paint more, instead of just finishing plays and relying on his superb shooting.

 

[drewsone]

Yeah it was definitely just one of those good defense better offense plays.

Commentator had me laughing with the Terio reference hahaha.

 

[pmatic]

Juice was 21 for most of his rookie year.

I do agree with shoeking2101's assessment that Beal needs to get to the basket and draw more fouls though.

You are right, Juice was 21 for most of his rookie year but the point I was trying to make was that he was producing immediately out the gate as a young player (like beal), more than what Beal is doing now. However, until this point, OJ hasn't surpassed what he did individually during his rookie year.

Just because Beal is a young guy doesn't necessarily he'll add more to his game. On the contrary, most players when they hit the L are what they are, and refine what it is that they do great that got them in the league in the first place. This is especially true of 2 guards for the most part.

So Beal can become a top 2 guard in the L, but he'll never be a 20 5 & 5 guy unless he starts playing with the ball more, playing in the paint more, instead of just finishing plays and relying on his superb shooting.

I thought Juice's best season was his second season in Memphis (I guess last season was arguable until he flamed out towards the end ). He shot the ball well while balancing his all around game.

 

[noblekane]

Can someone please explain to me how it was a homecoming for jeremy lin when the rockets played in taiwan? I guess they count when he was in his dads ball sack

 

[jpzx]

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[datznasty]

Yeah it was definitely just one of those good defense better offense plays.

Commentator had me laughing with the Terio reference hahaha.

Yea that was why I posted it. Fellow Lawtonian Stacey King stay with the commentating gold.

 

[shoeking2101]

I thought Juice's best season was his second season in Memphis (I guess last season was arguable until he flamed out towards the end ). He shot the ball well while balancing his all around game.

Bruh, have no idea what he was smoking on the last 2 months. He started off so well and then just gradually got worse and worse and worse. How does one put up 20 a game before asg break, then 10 PPG after Even after that flame out, he still shot the ball at career levels last year and showed some capacity to be a playmaker. Regardless, hopefully he'll put an entire season together in Milwaukee.

 

[drewsone]

Can someone please explain to me how it was a homecoming for jeremy lin when the rockets played in taiwan? I guess they count when he was in his dads ball sack

He's Taiwanese-American. So the whole country is ridin' him LOL. Basically. Plus his parents are from there.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Didn't realize Thompson was already 23. Still, silly to compare Beal and Thompson and these other young guys. Would take both over Waiters in a heartbeat. 

 

[pmatic]

I thought Juice's best season was his second season in Memphis (I guess last season was arguable until he flamed out towards the end ). He shot the ball well while balancing his all around game.

Bruh, have no idea what he was smoking on the last 2 months. He started off so well and then just gradually got worse and worse and worse. How does one put up 20 a game before asg break, then 10 PPG after Even after that flame out, he still shot the ball at career levels last year and showed some capacity to be a playmaker. Regardless, hopefully he'll put an entire season together in Milwaukee.

Rather than playmaker, I just tab him as a SG that can pass well. At least according to last season or two anyways.

 

[sea manup]

 

I thought Juice's best season was his second season in Memphis (I guess last season was arguable until he flamed out towards the end

). He shot the ball well while balancing his all around game.

Bruh, have no idea what he was smoking on the last 2 months. He started off so well and then just gradually got worse and worse and worse. How does one put up 20 a game before asg break, then 10 PPG after

Even after that flame out, he still shot the ball at career levels last year and showed some capacity to be a playmaker. Regardless, hopefully he'll put an entire season together in Milwaukee.

 returning to his old ways just in time for the fantasy playoffs last year

 

[Nawzlew]

Stacey King is the GOAT.