2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

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kevin love has mastered one of the most overlooked/underrated aspects of basketball: the outlet pass 
 
shoeking2101 said:
Figured out why I like Bradley Beal so much...He plays just like OJ Mayo :lol: :pimp:

Although I think his athletic ability and the fact that he's a tad bit taller allows for him to have a higher ceiling. But they play just alike :lol: OJ at this point is probably a better creator off the bounce though.
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:lol: I noticed that too. OJ is definitely better off the bounce, but I expect Beal to be better than him in that aspect in another year or two.
 
Wiggins is Darius Miles and Randle is Anthony Bennett. Just brilliant predictions... really.. well done.

Let's just go 3 for 3... what's Jabari's best comparison?
 
bhzmafia14 said:
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I noticed that too. OJ is definitely better off the bounce, but I expect Beal to be better than him in that aspect in another year or two.
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Wasn't you just ******* on Beal last season? Saying how much of a mistake it was to draft him over Barnes?
 
Not a big deal.. you will see the standings starts to shape up around 25 games into the season.. all these teams like PHI and TOR will comeback to reality like clockwork.. this ain't 'news'
 
brooklyn last in the east

bobcats have won 3 games

wizards still find ways to choke

jazz still on pace to go 0-82

jeremy lin has been more productive than rose so far
 
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Beal is way more athletic than Mayo and that makes him the much better prospect.
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In theory, yes he is. But what does him being more athletic mean if that isn't displayed in games. (At least not yet) He's way more athletic, but isn't a high free throw guy, and at this stage of his career gets most of his production primarily off jumpshots. When Mayo came into the L as a rookie and sophomore, he looked just like Beal (Probably better) and plateaued a bit. Unless Beal starts playing in the paint more and getting easier shots for himself and his teammates and starts getting production from the free throw line (He's only 20 :wow: so I'm willing to bet he eventually starts to do this. Despite the fact that it normally doesn't happen) he'll always have a cap on his game despite his athleticism and high ceiling. OJ thus far hasn't made the jump into an elite 2 guard to me because he never found out how to be more than a 15-18 ppg kind of guy. (20 ppg and up is all the free throw line)

That's beal's fate if he doesn't expand his arsenal. He has the potential to do so, but just because he's young doesn't mean he will. We'll see. I like Beal a lot though and he's one of my favorites and one of the main reasons why I copped league pass. For comparative sake, look at what they have done so far this year. Mere images almost.

Beal (After tonight)
Pts: 21.0
Min: 40.3
FGM-A: 7.8-18.8 (41.6%)
3PTM -A: 3.3-7.0 (47.6%)
FTM-A: 2.0-3.0
Rebs: 3.8
Ast: 2.5
Per: 13.14

Mayo (After last night)
Pts: 19.0
Min: 32.2
FGM-A: 6.8-14.6 (46.6%)
3PTM-A: 2.6-4.6 (56.5%)
FTM-A: 2.4-2.6 (92%)
Rebs: 4.6
Ast: 3.6
Per: 17.88
 
The difference between Mayo and Beal isn't athleticism. It's that Beal is an 'elite' shooter and Mayo is just a 'good' shooter. You can teach ballhandling, you can't teach elite shooting ability.


Beal compares pretty favorably to Ray Allen. He came into the league at 19 and put up comparable stats to rookie Ray Allen who was 21.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html


Allen was never particularly prolific at drawing fouls on a Kobe, Wade, Harden level. But he was an elite shooter, somebody who defenses had to run off the line all the time. Beal is only 20 and already developing that reputation as a guy you cannot leave on the three-point line. Putting it on the floor will develop naturally, ballhandling ability is one of the easiest traits to develop. Kevin Durant, Paul George, and many more all were terrible ballhandlers coming into the league and now are nearing elite status in creating off the dribble.
 
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Eric Bledsoe and the Phoenix Suns have been ballin :smokin
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They're playing some AWESOME team basketball. They're essentially a whole team of college seniors with how old the majority of them are and it shows. They look like a well coached college team. Shoutout to Coach Hornacek.
 
Also shoutout to the Morris twins especially Markieff. I have to remind myself not to give up on some of these young dudes so early, a lot of players people laughed at or overlooked will be household names in a few years.
 
DT43 said:
The difference between Mayo and Beal isn't athleticism. It's that Beal is an 'elite' shooter and Mayo is just a 'good' shooter. You can teach ballhandling, you can't teach elite shooting ability.


Beal compares pretty favorably to Ray Allen. He came into the league at 19 and put up comparable stats to rookie Ray Allen who was 21.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html


Allen was never particularly prolific at drawing fouls on a Kobe, Wade, Harden level. But he was an elite shooter, somebody who defenses had to run off the line all the time. Beal is only 20 and already developing that reputation as a guy you cannot leave on the three-point line. Putting it on the floor will develop naturally, ballhandling ability is one of the easiest traits to develop. Kevin Durant, Paul George, and many more all were terrible ballhandlers coming into the league and now are nearing elite status in creating off the dribble.
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That metric for comparing Ray and Beal as rookies is a moot point because if we are talking who compares to who as a rookie, Mayo blows both Beal and Allen out of the water and we both know Mayo Nor Beal is no Ray Allen as of right now.

But back to your point, Ballhandling ability is one of the hardest traits to develop, at least in my opinion. It's one of those things that by the time you reach the NBA, I feel like in most cases that's what you are as far has your handle. The thing that improves most out of players once they hit the NBA is shooting accuracy. All the other improvements one sees out of Pros are due more to opportunity than actual improvement. Most players if you look at what they do best in the NBA, did the exact same thing the same way on the college level. The only thing that changes is opportunity.

I also can't call Beal an Elite shooter yet. He's literally 6 games into his sophomore season and his rookie year wasn't even that spectacular with respect to "Elite" shooting. Beal hasn't done enough to warrant an "Elite" shooter tag and I feel that there isn't a big difference between the two as of right now. I would love for Beal to start becoming better off the bounce, but I honestly don't know if it'll happen and that to me is when Beal will become not only an elite shooter, but an elite 2 guard. The difference right now between the two is Mayo's ability off the bounce, which isn't spectacular, but it is better than beal's. Everything else they are about the same, with OJ just being a tad bit better. But Beal is 20 years of age so in theory, he shouldn't be a finished product, but we'll see.
 
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