2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[CP1708]

No, he won't.

And Magic did retire early, still won't change anything.

Stats or otherwise.

Russell doesn't have stats, he's still top 3-4.


They are immortals. Just like everyone's favorite, Jordan.

Numbers, impact, team accolades, Olympics, whatever you want to use. Those 3-4-5 guys don't just get bumped cuz, stats.

 

[nelson999]

 

 

 
We have Lakers fans still salty like a jilted lover, Sactown fans that feel that by tearing down Dwight they can prop up Demarcus Cousins (!)

sorry but we don't have to say a damn thing about Howard to help Cousins out on that one.

go ask every Coach/GM/owner in the NBA who they would take if they had the choice today between Cousins and Howard. 

if you ask them if they want a 23 year old or a 29 year old, yeah id imagine they'd prefer cousins off of youth alone.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=1&p1=howardw01&y1=2007&p2=couside01&y2=2013

and maybe the fact that at 23, he is already a much more complete NBA player than Howard is at 29.....

btw, that player comparison website is pretty neat, i'll have to play around with that out when i get some time, thanks for sharing that!

 

[awwsome]

No, he won't.

And Magic did retire early, still won't change anything.

Stats or otherwise.

Russell doesn't have stats, he's still top 3-4.


They are immortals. Just like everyone's favorite, Jordan.

Numbers, impact, team accolades, Olympics, whatever you want to use. Those 3-4-5 guys don't just get bumped cuz, stats.

You're wrong but I understand where you're coming from, pointless to continue to talk about it cause you're obviously stuck in your ways.

Jordan hasn't been bypassed by anyone statistically though so it ain't just nostalgia why he has his position like you're using with Magic.

 

[kevin cleveland]

When are we going to accept that team success should never factor into comparing individual players?

That's not how team sports work, and players aren't general managers. No real reason to give credit/discredit to one for the success/failure of his team(s), other than the fact that people have been aimlessly doing it forever.

 

[do work son]

in 24 less games, boogie made 16 more shots than dwight did. he took 608 more shots to do so. in that process, he was outscored by 133 points.

a more complete NBA player than dwight huh? dwight won the rebounding title 5 of his first 6 seasons. dwight has won back to back to back DPOYs.

boogie's highest FG percentage in a season was 46.5%.
dwight's LOWEST was 52, and it was his rookie season

please, tell me how exactly is boogie a more complete player than dwight howard

 

[awwsome]

When are we going to accept hat team success should never factor into comparing individual players?

That's not how team sports work, and players aren't general managers. No real reason to give credit/discredit to one for the success/failure of his team(s), other than the fact that people have been aimlessly doing it forever.

People won't ever move past it and it bothers me because you can't even have a constructive conversation with them without the rings or playoff wins angle arising when stats/individual performance don't back up their arguments

 

[sea manup]

When are we going to accept that team success should never factor into comparing individual players?

That's not how team sports work, and players aren't general managers. No real reason to give credit/discredit to one for the success/failure of his team(s), other than the fact that people have been aimlessly doing it forever.

sounds like the words of a loser 

 

[dakidlo3]

Eh

 

[dakidlo3]

in 24 less games, boogie made 16 more shots than dwight did. he took 608 more shots to do so. in that process, he was outscored by 133 points.

a more complete NBA player than dwight huh? dwight won the rebounding title 5 of his first 6 seasons. dwight has won back to back to back DPOYs.

boogie's highest FG percentage in a season was 46.5%.
dwight's LOWEST was 52, and it was his rookie season

please, tell me how exactly is boogie a more complete player than dwight howard

I'm with you on this one.

And I can't stand dwight

 

[sea manup]

lebron's an idiot for going to miami to win rings, he should have just stayed with the cavs to put up 35 points a night and become the greatest player of all that that way

 

[awwsome]

in 24 less games, boogie made 16 more shots than dwight did. he took 608 more shots to do so. in that process, he was outscored by 133 points.

a more complete NBA player than dwight huh? dwight won the rebounding title 5 of his first 6 seasons. dwight has won back to back to back DPOYs.

boogie's highest FG percentage in a season was 46.5%.
dwight's LOWEST was 52, and it was his rookie season

please, tell me how exactly is boogie a more complete player than dwight howard

I know he means skill wise offensively but yea no way in hell is Cousins better than Dwight at the same age on a basketball court. He's more skilled for sure but that doesn't always = better in a game. Steve Nash at 75 is more skilled than Westbrook at 25, who you want?

 

[dakidlo3]

Steve Nash at 75

 

[CP1708]

When are we going to accept that team success should never factor into comparing individual players?

That's not how team sports work, and players aren't general managers. No real reason to give credit/discredit to one for the success/failure of his team(s), other than the fact that people have been aimlessly doing it forever.

So we factor, what then?

Who Magic played against vs who Paul plays against?
Who would win 1 on 1?

How should we be measuring them, advanced stats from different eras?

What should we be factoring that features ONLY Magic, and ONLY Paul?

 

[kevin cleveland]

lebron's an idiot for going to miami to win rings, he should have just stayed with the cavs to put up 35 points a night and become the greatest player of all that that way

Oh brother.

 

[sea manup]

i cant believe an all time great like steve nash would risk his legacy going to LA for a meaningless championship 

he should have stayed on the 10th seed suns and kept getting his stats

 

[darthska]

Magic is one of the 3 or 4 greatest players in history.

He's top 10.

Drive your car a motorcycle  really fast on an icy windy mountainside road tonight, with your eyes closed, drunk.

Fixed.

 

[markangelo]

Eh

u from Canada too?

 

[CP1708]

He was kidding Kev, don't take it serious.


Manup, pause button brother. I actually want to hear this part for a while. Then you may resume what you were doing.

 

[nelson999]

in 24 less games, boogie made 16 more shots than dwight did. he took 608 more shots to do so. in that process, he was outscored by 133 points.

a more complete NBA player than dwight huh? dwight won the rebounding title 5 of his first 6 seasons. dwight has won back to back to back DPOYs.

boogie's highest FG percentage in a season was 46.5%.
dwight's LOWEST was 52, and it was his rookie season

please, tell me how exactly is boogie a more complete player than dwight howard

u like looking at numbers on a paper more than actually watching people play don't you?

for 1 thing, Cousins is playing MUCH better this season than the previous seasons, so maybe stop looking at his last couple seasons, he is only improving.  his average per/36min this season is 26pts and 12reb.  a couple of games with really low minutes played is really skewing his averages right now. (not like they are bad, but still)

how is he a more complete player?  because Dwight Howard is a one trick pony. he relies completely on his athleticism.  he can't shoot, he can't handle the ball, he can't pass, he can't figure out what the hell team he wants to play for, and he is probably done developing any more skills at this point, he is only going to get worse as his age overtakes his athleticism.

there is a reason why one the greatest big men EVER came to Sacramento and bought a piece of the team JUST because of Boogie Cousins, Shaq could have chosen to do that with any big man in the league but he came here.  and he has even talked about Howard when he was asked about Cousins. he said something about how he wants him out there looking to kill, rather than laughing and giggling on the court like Dwight. lol

 

[lawdog1]

I'm old enough to have actually watched Magic in his prime. I've also seen pretty much every game Chris Paul has played since he joined the Clippers. And based on my own personal observation of both players, I give the edge to Magic. CP may go down as statistically the best PG ever to play, but in terms of overall impact on each game, I can't say he's better than Magic.

 

[awwsome]

lebron's an idiot for going to miami to win rings, he should have just stayed with the cavs to put up 35 points a night and become the greatest player of all that that way

you trolling but I'll bite

Bron taking Mike Brown and a bunch of guys off the street in Cavs uniforms to the Finals in 07 > Winning the title with one of the best SG's of all time and a perennial all star PF in terms of difficulty even though he is a better player now.

 

[do work son]

If Dwight can't do anything, how come boogie hasn't produced numbers that Dwight has?

And Shaq bought part of the kings solely because of boogie eh?

 

[meyer lansky]

I'm by no means a Dwight fan, but objectively speaking, why was he fined for tossing a ball into the stands but this wasn't?

 

[sea manup]

according to PER ratings melo was the 4th best player in the nba last year 

 

[noblekane]

What in tarnation is going on round here?