2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[jjs07]

Kyrie isn't gonna put the franchise on his back, he's not that type if player.

He needs a reach coach / system and team around him.

Same for wall.

I think the difference with wall is we've seen the overall team improvement when he's on the court....Wizards have been a different team with him on the court since he came back from injury in 2013. They are nowhere close to being world beaters, but I think their overall record since he came back in 1/13 has been .500

As good as Kyrie is, he's a different type of player.

* I agree w/ KoVA...

Wall is top 5 right now.

 

[thekingofva]

john wall plays in the eastern conf. there's no excuse for him not making the playoffs. heck, jennings was able to get his team in the playoffs.

i dont watch much cavs gms, but how is irving's defense?

Irving is a bottom tier defender

 

[antidope]

Nah I agree, that franchise was in disarray.


I like Wall, one of my favorite players to watch, wanted him as a Net and hoped we were gonna win that lottery.


I think dude has potential to be a very good PG, maybe Elite / top 5

Wall is top 5 right now. You can't name 5 pg's currently playing that are better than him. Chris Paul and Curry (even though he sucks on defense) are the only PG's clearly better than him right now. Drose doesn't count because he isn't healthy. Westbrook and Tony Parker have a case. John Wall is the best PG in the East and only getting better.

Lawson? Lowry? Lillard? Conley?(SHOUT OUT TO BHZ)

Not saying they are better, just throwing some names into the fray. PG is honestly the hardest position to rank

I was wrong about John Wall and have admitted it several times, the guy has the juice.

 

[tomdiginson]

Steph Curry is HOF bound already? :x Minus whale say the same for Vince Carter and TMac if that's the case..

lol. Vince is going into the HOF

 

[thekingofva]

I think the difference with wall is we've seen the overall team improvement when he's on the court....Wizards have been a different team with him on the court since he came back from injury in 2013. They are nowhere close to being world beaters, but I think their overall record since he came back in 1/13 has been .500

As good as Kyrie is, he's a different type of player.

The reason why Wall has an impact on his teams W-L record and Irving doesn't is because Wall does more than just score. Wall is a mini-Lebron, he makes his teammates better with his vision. Also he plays good defense.

 

[Animal Thug]

I used to be the BIGGEST VC fan on earth...but I still couldn't vouch for him to be a HOF'er.

 

[dman14]

hall of fame = hall of very good. the guy is getting in. if you can put up a decent 7 years in the league filled with all-stars appearances and all-nba selections, you legitimately have a shot

 

[thekingofva]

Nah I agree, that franchise was in disarray.


I like Wall, one of my favorite players to watch, wanted him as a Net and hoped we were gonna win that lottery.


I think dude has potential to be a very good PG, maybe Elite / top 5

Wall is top 5 right now. You can't name 5 pg's currently playing that are better than him. Chris Paul and Curry (even though he sucks on defense) are the only PG's clearly better than him right now. Drose doesn't count because he isn't healthy. Westbrook and Tony Parker have a case. John Wall is the best PG in the East and only getting better.

Lawson? Lowry? Lillard? Conley?(SHOUT OUT TO BHZ)

Not saying they are better, just throwing some names into the fray. PG is honestly the hardest position to rank

Lawson, Lowry, and Conley have no case imo. Lillard has a case because he is such a good outside shooter but he isn't the passer or defender Wall is. Also I don't think he has a lot of upside compared to guys like Wall and Curry. I guess it just comes down to what you want from your PG. If you want a shoot first pg with great outside shooting then Lillard is your guy. If you want a pass first PG with good defense then Wall is your guy. The difference between the two is Wall has always had to be the best player on his team since day 1. That's a lot of pressure for a young player.

 

[antidope]

I used to be the BIGGEST VC fan on earth...but I still couldn't vouch for him to be a HOF'er.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_scoring_leaders

The list of the top 50 scoring players ever. Every player 30 and below is either in the HoF or is a lock to go. Vince Carter is 27th and has a chance to finish 23rd when he hangs it up.

LeBron is already 28th :x

hall of fame = hall of very good. the guy is getting in. if you can put up a decent 7 years in the league filled with all-stars appearances and all-nba selections, you legitimately have a shot

Tell em Jeff Van Gundy

 

[thekingofva]

hall of fame = hall of very good. the guy is getting in. if you can put up a decent 7 years in the league filled with all-stars appearances and all-nba selections, you legitimately have a shot

It's too early to say Curry will make the HOF. Remember he has injury problems. For all we know he could be out of the league in four years because of injuries. Penny Hardaway had a way better start to his career than Curry and he isn't sniffing the hall of fame.

 

[Animal Thug]

hall of fame = hall of very good. the guy is getting in. if you can put up a decent 7 years in the league filled with all-stars appearances and all-nba selections, you legitimately have a shot

Such a low requirement...but it is the NBA; so you're probably right.

 

[herbshuttles15]

I used to be the BIGGEST VC fan on earth...but I still couldn't vouch for him to be a HOF'er.

There are referees, ncaaw coaches, a guy who didn't average 10 pts is in the basketball hof

 

[thekingofva]

I used to be the BIGGEST VC fan on earth...but I still couldn't vouch for him to be a HOF'er.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_scoring_leaders

The list of the top 50 scoring players ever. Every player 30 and below is either in the HoF or is a lock to go. Vince Carter is 27th and has a chance to finish 23rd when he hangs it up.

LeBron is already 28th :x

Lebron has a good shot to finish top 5 all time in total points scored. It's crazy to think how many more seasons he has in him.

 

[dman14]

Nah I agree, that franchise was in disarray.


I like Wall, one of my favorite players to watch, wanted him as a Net and hoped we were gonna win that lottery.


I think dude has potential to be a very good PG, maybe Elite / top 5

Wall is top 5 right now. You can't name 5 pg's currently playing that are better than him. Chris Paul and Curry (even though he sucks on defense) are the only PG's clearly better than him right now. Drose doesn't count because he isn't healthy. Westbrook and Tony Parker have a case. John Wall is the best PG in the East and only getting better.

Lawson? Lowry? Lillard? Conley?(SHOUT OUT TO BHZ)

Not saying they are better, just throwing some names into the fray. PG is honestly the hardest position to rank

Lawson, Lowry, and Conley have no case imo. Lillard has a case because he is such a good outside shooter but he isn't the passer or defender Wall is. Also I don't think he has a lot of upside compared to guys like Wall and Curry. I guess it just comes down to what you want from your PG. If you want a shoot first pg with great outside shooting then Lillard is your guy. If you want a pass first PG with good defense then Wall is your guy. The difference between the two is Wall has always had to be the best player on his team since day 1. That's a lot of pressure for a young player.

when you are THE number one pick, you are expected to turn a franchise around and be the best player. all everything since he was a HS player and clear cut number one pick. i expect someone with those accolades, talent, and hype to turn a franchise around. so far, wall hasnt done it, yet...
lillard has basically lived up to his draft position.

 

[Animal Thug]

I used to be the BIGGEST VC fan on earth...but I still couldn't vouch for him to be a HOF'er.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_scoring_leaders

The list of the top 50 scoring players ever. Every player 30 and below is either in the HoF or is a lock to go. Vince Carter is 27th and has a chance to finish 23rd when he hangs it up.

LeBron is already 28th :x

hall of fame = hall of very good. the guy is getting in. if you can put up a decent 7 years in the league filled with all-stars appearances and all-nba selections, you legitimately have a shot

Tell em Jeff Van Gundy

Good info. But he'll probably finish with a career scoring average of under 20 a game; kind of insane for HOF considerations but it makes sense for him.

 

[jesusshuttlesworth34]

Kyrie isn't gonna put the franchise on his back, he's not that type if player.

He needs a reach coach / system and team around him.

Same for wall.

You put any player in the NBA on the Wizards team John Wall was drafted to and they are not making major noise. Point blank. The organization itself was a cess pool and was not conducive to winning or success.

 

[ballinsam23]

1. Lebron is MVP
2. Player A > Player B
3. Cavs talk
4. Melo bashing
5. Hall of Fame Talk

Repeat.

 

[antidope]

I used to be the BIGGEST VC fan on earth...but I still couldn't vouch for him to be a HOF'er.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_scoring_leaders


The list of the top 50 scoring players ever. Every player 30 and below is either in the HoF or is a lock to go. Vince Carter is 27th and has a chance to finish 23rd when he hangs it up.


LeBron is already 28th

hall of fame = hall of very good. the guy is getting in. if you can put up a decent 7 years in the league filled with all-stars appearances and all-nba selections, you legitimately have a shot

Tell em Jeff Van Gundy

Good info. But he'll probably finish with a career scoring average of under 20 a game; kind of insane for HOF considerations but it makes sense for him.

Same thing I said about Reggie Miller, thats when the whole "Hall of Very Good" stuff started to sink in, and my overall perceptions of what it takes to get in there changed.

Even crazier Manu Ginobli is definitely going for all of his international play accolades, but if you look at the NBA numbers, even with the rings, it wouldnt be enough. I honestly think that if he was on a different team he would have gotten 24 PPG like it was nothing year after year.

 

[addict4sneakers]

NT needs to watch LeGoran Dragic more. He isn't far behind Lowry and conley

 

[dman14]

NT needs to watch LeGoran Dragic more. He isn't far behind Lowry and conley

has been better than lowry for awhile and up there with conley

 

[jesusshuttlesworth34]

NT needs to watch LeGoran Dragic more. He isn't far behind Lowry and conley

Living in Phoenix now, I get to see a lot of his games and he is a beast. Plays hard and with no fear. I like his game. Him and Bledsoe are a good combo.

 

[antidope]

1. Lebron is MVP

2. Player A > Player B

3. Cavs talk

4. Melo bashing

5. Hall of Fame Talk


Repeat.

I asked this like three days ago, and I dont really want to take it into the Knicks thread and potentially upset people, but why does it feel like the team isnt open to the idea of Trading Melo?

 

[thekingofva]

when you are THE number one pick, you are expected to turn a franchise around and be the best player. all everything since he was a HS player and clear cut number one pick. i expect someone with those accolades, talent, and hype to turn a franchise around. so far, wall hasnt done it, yet...
lillard has basically lived up to his draft position.

Lillard isn't the best player on his team. Aldridge is the key reason for their success. I don't see how Wall and Lillard are comparable. Two different players in way different situations. Plus Lillard was a 22 year old rookie. Put Lillard in Wall's situation and he would be an afterthought. Look at the struggles Irving is having. And we all know Irving is very talented. It's a lot more pressure being a number 1 pick with no other great player on your team.

 

[thekingofva]

NT needs to watch LeGoran Dragic more. He isn't far behind Lowry and conley

He's better than Lowry right now.

 

[thekingofva]

Cause they gutted a team of role players that could've helped Melo, and now to give him up for something that isn't in the same caliber as Melo is going to stick them back to the dark ages of the 2000 - till stat got there.

And who wants to go play with jr smith / Bargs and the ghost of Stat?

They gonna have to overpay for someone decent.

Knicks in a very tough position. I don't see how they can find a 2nd true star to pair up with Melo. Melo needs to leave.