2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[sea manup]

It can be argued thatthe differences between prime wade prime tmac and prime kobe are minimal. What sets kobe apart is he has been able to sustain his high production or "prime" for two to three times longer than the other two. Kobe was playing at a very high level before wade was drafted and he was playing at a higher level than wade was last year before he got hurt.

You cant just look at single year peak production when ranking players especially when one players prime has lasted longer than the other players career.

And thats just wade who I have great respect for as a player and see him as a clear cut #3 pg of all time

Tmac shouldnt be anywhere near those two guys. Yeah he had a few great seasons but he was constantly hurt and never lead his team past the second round. Hes a third tier sg at best and overall comparable to melo

I don't view things that way,

I always value peak production (over a players prime years) over longevity. I want to know what a player was at his best and I compare them that way,

If you like a longevity, thats you, think its irrelevant that's why its my list.


If tim duncan beats miami and wins a 5th ring my opinion of him stays the same, only interested in what they were at their best.


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Tmac is not comparable to melo.

how is longevity not relevant? If we draft dwade instead of kobe maybe we still win 3 with shaq, but by the time 08 comes around wades body is done and we only get 3 championships out of the "wade era" longevity plays huge role in basketball and life in general to say its not important shows how narrow minded you are.

 

[champcruthik]

I agree that historically the sg position is one of the weakest in basketball there jordan and kobe who are top 10 guys (jordan obvious no brainer, kobe is debatable) then a big drop off to dwade who I think is the clear #3. I would say dwade is top 25 all time but his relatively short prime really hurts his all time rankings as I value longevity as much as I value peek performance. I think its fair to say its disapointing that dwade for all the talent he has probably wont even crack the top 50 in all time scoring.

In terms of #1 all time I have kareem as 1A and jordan as 1B

I don't know if I can place Wade over Gervin and West.

 

[sea manup]

I agree that historically the sg position is one of the weakest in basketball there jordan and kobe who are top 10 guys (jordan obvious no brainer, kobe is debatable) then a big drop off to dwade who I think is the clear #3. I would say dwade is top 25 all time but his relatively short prime really hurts his all time rankings as I value longevity as much as I value peek performance. I think its fair to say its disapointing that dwade for all the talent he has probably wont even crack the top 50 in all time scoring.

In terms of #1 all time I have kareem as 1A and jordan as 1B

I don't know if I can place Wade over Gervin and West.

yeah ill admit that theres a slight bias on my part from never watching the other two play. Ill do some research on them tonight and get back at you

 

[CP1708]

Osh, saying one was better because of a two year window, and one very questionable series seems unwise.

And I know you are very wise.

But 06-08 Wade is really all there is. Everything else is injuries. Even these last two years he's nothing more than once a week/series effective.

 

[kal-el-8]

The only reason isn't tied with Kobe for 2nd greatest is his injuries /career.

I second Da gawd @sea manup

 

[rck3sactown]

Uh oh, kobe that far down the list?

Get ready for it.

The tears of LA are about to come full force.

they're too busy eating their cake

 

[sea manup]

The only reason isn't tied with Kobe for 2nd greatest is his injuries /career.

guessing you're talking about wade. I guess you could say that but that doesnt change the fact that he does get hurt a lot so therefore is ranked below kobe.

You can make that same excuse for a bunch of people though

If it wasn't for his lack of playoff success payton manning would be the greatest qb of all time. Omg only one single factor keeping him from being the greates of all time! !!

 

[lawdog1]

No wonder CP3 was so determined to play in the ASG; he already had a lot planned for that weekend.




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[grandtheftbike]

body of work >

 

[coldcity]

No wonder CP3 was so determined to play in the ASG; he already had a lot planned for that weekend.




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[friscostylez]

Osh, saying one was better because of a two year window, and one very questionable series seems unwise.

And I know you are very wise.

But 06-08 Wade is really all there is. Everything else is injuries. Even these last two years he's nothing more than once a week/series effective.

2005-2011, if it wasn't for James choking in the Finals, Wade could possibly had 2 Final MVPS instead of 1.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

how is longevity not relevant? If we draft dwade instead of kobe maybe we still win 3 with shaq, but by the time 08 comes around wades body is done and we only get 3 championships out of the "wade era" longevity plays huge role in basketball and life in general to say its not important shows how narrow minded you are.

when I think of players I think of how good they were when they were at their best, the argument of best "career" and best player is different to me.

im interested in the nuts and bolts basketball of how 1 player influences the other 9 on the court, not the sports writer create a narrative and ascribe virtues to **** that I think is like 60% luck.


I'm just into the basketball part of it, not myth making

 

[CP1708]

Wade has played 75 games in a season a total of 5 times.

He barely registers 30% from 3, and he doesn't even take that many to begin with.

His career high free throw shooting is 80%, done one single time. And that's from a guy KNOWN for getting to the line????? :\

Been All NBA twice, no MVP, 1 Finals MVP. and was never, in any year, considered better than Kobe. But when their career's are finished, they are neck and neck?????

And yet, all the knocks on Kobe's career for riding Shaq, we just get to sit back and let Wade collect fame while he too got their with Shaq, and then with LeBron + Bosh?


You my boy Osh, but you a little off on this one man. His 2-3 year window ain't all that great. He had one crazy elite series, that was awfully sketchy, to put it mildly.

 

[CP1708]

Osh, saying one was better because of a two year window, and one very questionable series seems unwise.

And I know you are very wise.

But 06-08 Wade is really all there is. Everything else is injuries. Even these last two years he's nothing more than once a week/series effective.

2005-2011, if it wasn't for James choking in the Finals, Wade could possibly had 2 Final MVPS instead of 1.

He played FIFTY games in two of those 6 years dude.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Wade has played 75 games in a season a total of 5 times.

He barely registers 30% from 3, and he doesn't even take that many to begin with.

His career high free throw shooting is 80%, done one single time. And that's from a guy KNOWN for getting to the line????? :\

Been All NBA twice, no MVP, 1 Finals MVP. and was never, in any year, considered better than Kobe. But when their career's are finished, they are neck and neck?????

And yet, all the knocks on Kobe's career for riding Shaq, we just get to sit back and let Wade collect fame while he too got their with Shaq, and then with LeBron + Bosh?


You my boy Osh, but you a little off on this one man. His 2-3 year window ain't all that great. He had one crazy elite series, that was awfully sketchy, to put it mildly.

understood, so I put him 3rd all time, is it really that controversial? of an opinion.

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he was better than Kobe in 08 and 10 arguably more

 

[100027]

The one thing that should be noted is that Wade was absolutely the best player on that Heat team that won, whereas we know the opposite was true for Kobe's first 3.


Obviously there's no comparing the two as far as careers or legacy. Period.

 

[kal-el-8]

Wade has played 75 games in a season a total of 5 times.

He barely registers 30% from 3, and he doesn't even take that many to begin with.

His career high free throw shooting is 80%, done one single time. And that's from a guy KNOWN for getting to the line?????

Been All NBA twice, no MVP, 1 Finals MVP. and was never, in any year, considered better than Kobe. But when their career's are finished, they are neck and neck?????

And yet, all the knocks on Kobe's career for riding Shaq, we just get to sit back and let Wade collect fame while he too got their with Shaq, and then with LeBron + Bosh?


You my boy Osh, but you a little off on this one man. His 2-3 year window ain't all that great. He had one crazy elite series, that was awfully sketchy, to put it mildly.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

umm no he wasn't. sorry bud. manu is a hall of famer. but he's not better than Joe dumars, no matter how you wanna try and spin the numbers.

great rebuttal, really debunked all my points.

 

[coldcity]

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[kal-el-8]

 

[calibeebee]

umm no he wasn't. sorry bud. manu is a hall of famer. but he's not better than Joe dumars, no matter how you wanna try and spin the numbers.

great rebuttal, really debunked all my points.

You didn't make any points

 

[CP1708]

Wade has played 75 games in a season a total of 5 times.

He barely registers 30% from 3, and he doesn't even take that many to begin with.

His career high free throw shooting is 80%, done one single time. And that's from a guy KNOWN for getting to the line????? :\

Been All NBA twice, no MVP, 1 Finals MVP. and was never, in any year, considered better than Kobe. But when their career's are finished, they are neck and neck?????

And yet, all the knocks on Kobe's career for riding Shaq, we just get to sit back and let Wade collect fame while he too got their with Shaq, and then with LeBron + Bosh?


You my boy Osh, but you a little off on this one man. His 2-3 year window ain't all that great. He had one crazy elite series, that was awfully sketchy, to put it mildly.

understood, so I put him 3rd all time, is it really that controversial? of an opinion.

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he was better than Kobe in 08 and 10 arguably more

No, not at all. I'm ok with Wade at 3. I'm with you there.

The closeness part, that I don't agree with. There's "some" space in there.

And Wade's 08 was insane, I hear that, but like I said,that 2-3 year window elevates him to what Kobe did from 99 thru last year? That part I don't vibe with.

And as I said, as a shooter, Wade wasn't much of one, at all.

 

[rck3sactown]

forget about Wade

Who's the #1 SG of all time 

just kidding!

 

[sea manup]

Iverson got carried by the 6ers defense to the finals (it was a good defensive team but to say iverson was carried is laughable). Dwades in the same tier as kobe. Tmacs career is not comparable to melo. Chris paul is the same tier of generational players as kd and lebron.

Its obvious that okb is one of those basketball elitists who think theres only one right way to play basketball and that all "chuckers" are the devil. It shows in his highly biased basketball opinions and most of the time he is not worth replying to

 

[grandtheftbike]

forget about Wade

Who's the #1 SG of all time 

you are

just kidding, its obviously bill simmons