2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[urbetterthenme]

 
Wizards MJ is better than Kobe?  nah

No Ray Allen?

OMG I forgot bout Ray.

Ray over Carter IMO

 

[urbetterthenme]

So? Still not better than Kobe

lol bro MJ was better. Lets be real.

 

[bonafide hustla]

I can't keep up with what's being talked about in this post half the time as it moves super fast. not sure the scope of this all time shooting guard convo, but yall let Bron get away with this "i will be top 4 all time" ish? smh

 

[rck3sactown]

If kobe grew up in canada instead of italy okb would be in here using his "facts" to prove that kobe > jordan

stop this Canadian on Canadian bickering

 

[Trillmatic90]

Werd? MJ Wizards was 38 dropping 22 a game on 20 year olds.

You cant just say he's better cause he was putting up good numbers at 38. Prime Kobe dropped 50 plus four games in a row and had months where he averaged 40. No way is anyone a better sg than prime Kobe from 2000-2014.

he hates kobe, and trolls constantly.

but he's right that b-roy was better than harden imo.

Yea flip Kobe with MJ and the list is pretty accurate.

 

[tyonenine]

lol bro MJ was better. Lets be real.

Wizards MJ was not better than Kobe.

 

[Trillmatic90]

Wizards MJ was not better than Kobe.

Im shocked this is even being debated

 

[JD617]

Stop quoting UrBetterthenME. Everyone knows he's not serious and is just trying to get a reaction and you dummies are falling for it.

 

[urbetterthenme]

Wizards MJ was not better than Kobe.

i speak facts man. But i will say MJ played more SF than SG so in that sense Kobe over MJ in the 2000s

 

[urbetterthenme]

2000-2014 SG ranks

Kobe

Wade

T Mac

Ray Allen

Carter

Manu

B Roy

Michael Redd

Harden

Ben Gordon

Ellis

Correct list. Tell me how I'm wrong.

 

[sea manup]

so lets talk about how the 1 guy influences the 9 other guys on the court. That sounds lot like we're talking about team success.

Tmacs such a great player for constantly elevating his 9 other teammates to yearly first round apperences. But obviously when melo does the same thing every year hes one dimensional player

Oh look at chris paul he has had no playoff success but hes a generational talent because he makes his teammates better! Theres no way blake griffin will keep his production without the great chris paul! Oh wait....

We can do this all day, your opinions on this subject are trash

so lets talk about how the 1 guy influences the 9 other guys on the court. That sounds lot like we're talking about team success.

Tmacs such a great player for constantly elevating his 9 other teammates to yearly first round apperences. But obviously when melo does the same thing every year hes one dimensional player

Oh look at chris paul he has had no playoff success but hes a generational talent because he makes his teammates better! Theres no way blake griffin will keep his production without the great chris paul! Oh wait....

We can do this all day, your opinions on this subject are trash

those are narratives. look up the definition of the word, since you can't seem to grasp it.

I am not interested in your perception of how one narrative is similar to another, only how the player played on the court taking into account, his teammates and the opposition. If you want argue about careers, or legacy, argue with somebody else.


The reality is you will struggle to come up with any objective measures that validates this, T-Mac = Carmelo Paul = Carmelo, AI = Shq stuff that you keep pedaling, this is the reality. If you want to argue about what goes on on the court sure, but all this other stuff I can't help you with.

melo has had more team success than tmac, their Average pers are within 1.5. Apart from tmacs single 30 per season his top seasons are very simular in terms of per to melo. Melo has a higher true shooting %.

How are they not comparable? Do you watch basketball?

 

[urbetterthenme]

 
Stop quoting UrBetterthenME.

I know I am

 

[ill steelo]

I'm sorry but Clyde is better than wade still

As for scoring, Wade gave you more volume on higher efficiency and was a better facilitator.

Wade also had a much greater defensive impact than Clyde.

 

[rck3sactown]

 
2000-2014 SG ranks

Kobe

Wade

T Mac

Ray Allen

Carter

Manu

B Roy

Michael Redd

Harden

Ben Gordon

Ellis

Correct list. Tell me how I'm wrong.

No Iverson 

 

[tyonenine]

Rip Hamilton?

 

[urbetterthenme]

 
No Iverson 

TBH, I still count Iverson as a combo guard who techinqually was a PG.

 

[urbetterthenme]

Rip Hamilton?

Rip below Monta

 

[urbetterthenme]

Kobe

Wade

T Mac

Ray Allen

Carter

Manu

B Roy

Michael Redd

Harden

Ben Gordon

Ellis

Hamilton

Jerry Stackhouse

TOP SF OF 2000-2014

Lebron

Durant

Melo

Pierce

Wizards MJ

 

[awwsome]

What the hell happened to OJ Mayo?

 

[jumpman91023]

melo has had more team success than tmac, their Average pers are within 1.5. Apart from tmacs single 30 per season his top seasons are very simular in terms of per to melo. Melo has a higher true shooting %.

How are they not comparable? Do you watch basketball?

I thought all of this but didn't want to get in a pointless discussion. But those look like FACTS to me.

 

[urbetterthenme]

What the hell happened to OJ Mayo?

idm. He'd do well with the Spurs though....

 

[Peep Game]

Hmmm, Royce still has money leftover to buy Wolves tickets

 

[lawdog1]

What the hell happened to OJ Mayo?

He's proving to everyone (including, hopefully, himself) that's he's not close to a number 1 option player in this league and he's much better suited trying to be a contributor on a good team.

 

[dman14]

Hmmm, Royce still has money leftover to buy Wolves tickets

not knocking joe d defense, but dudes were allowed to handcheck back in the days.

rode on the back of a carriage to arrive to the game

 

[sea manup]

[quote game="sea manup" url="/t/571782/2013-2014-nba-season-thread-sac-cle-lol-and-okc-por-on-nba-tv/51870#post_19798464"]
melo has had more team success than tmac, their Average pers are within 1.5. Apart from tmacs single 30 per season his top seasons are very simular in terms of per to melo. Melo has a higher true shooting %.

How are they not comparable? Do you watch basketball?

I thought all of this but didn't want to get in a pointless discussion. But those look like FACTS to me.[/quote]I love stats and facts, im perfectly fine with using them to support my argument. Its ironic that this guy says he uses facts and doesnt care about the narrative when his reason that tmac is better than melo is "tmac does everything better than him, melo is a one dimentional player"

Thats like the literall definition of a narative without using any facts.

Im mad I wasted so much phone battery responding to that kid