2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[sea manup]

 

 

Serious question who were these great big man Wilt (besides Russel)and Kareem were facing?

Serious? "Besides Russell", potentially the goat defensive center. And as if Shaq's prime was boom years for centers in the NBA.

That's one person, Kareem never faced Russell

kareem had wilt, parish, moses malone, ralph sampson/hakeem and dave cowens

 

[herbshuttles15]

 

 

Serious question who were these great big man Wilt (besides Russel)and Kareem were facing?

Serious? "Besides Russell", potentially the goat defensive center. And as if Shaq's prime was boom years for centers in the NBA.

That's one person, Kareem never faced Russell

kareem had wilt, parish, moses malone, ralph sampson/hakeem and dave cowens

Thanks for answering

 

[cashbanks]

Being 6'6 and weighing 200 pounds is not the same as being 7'2 and 320 pounds. It's apples and oranges.

And I'm willing to wager offseason workouts for a guard/forward would differ from that of a traditional center.

Go rewatch Shaq highlights, that man was getting butchered down in the paint. In his head he probably figured being lean wasn't his best option and decided to add some cushion to absorb the hacking.

Nobody said he had to do the same workouts genius but its effort taking care of yourself is taking care of yourself if your 300lbs or 100lbs

thanks for all that insight tho

 

[cashbanks]

Kobe has never been and could never be as good as Shaq at his best though.

Idk about being as good kobe is as good as just about anybody ever he may not have been the force shaq was at times but his consistency has to overshadow that

and when its all said and done Kobe has arguably the better career thats the point

dudes shouldnt have been able to get near the numbers Shaq should've put up

 

[bonafide hustla]

Nobody said he had to do the same workouts genius but its effort taking care of yourself is taking care of yourself if your 300lbs or 100lbs

thanks for all that insight tho

have you ever been 300 pounds or played in the NBA?
How many 300 pound NBA players you know stayed healthy their entire career? (wilt was dominant in a completely different era)

 

[dman14]

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this draft was such a crap shoot

 

[cashbanks]

have you ever been 300 pounds or played in the NBA?
How many 300 pound NBA players you know stayed healthy their entire career? (wilt was dominant in a completely different era)

nobody cares what you type fam go have a seat

 

[grandtheftbike]

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this draft was such a crap shoot

both champs tho

 

[bonafide hustla]

nobody cares what you type fam you've made yourself look dumb time and time again go have a seat

just answer the question homie. i dont care about you personally. you're going on a tagent that really makes no sense. Like WHAT 300 POUNDER has played an entire season healthy in the NBA?

 

[carltonjunior]

Idk about being as good kobe is as good as just about anybody ever he may not have been the force shaq was at times but his consistency has to overshadow that

and when its all said and done Kobe has arguably the better career thats the point

dudes shouldnt have been able to get near the numbers Shaq should've put up

I feel this way too. Shaq will also have one of the most dominant peaks but his career does not live up to a lot of greats, and Kobe's body of work is much better than Shaq's.

Then again when you measure greats you have to steer clear of comparing perimeter players to big men because they are completely different as far as what they are capable of.

 

[tommyicerocking]

Baby Shaq and 7'1 Kevin Garnett 

 

[big j 33]

I'm finding it hard to believe people are forgetting the numbers Shaq put up for years and years and years. Chester posted it earlier but come on..

I mean this dude put up 26, 12, 3, 2.5 blocks for god damn 13 years Led the league in PER for 5 straight years and was at a 28 PER for that same 13 year stretch. I don't want to hear about him having some two year peak or anything ridiculous like that.

Yeah, he might have been even greater if he took better care of himself.. but let's not pretend he wasn't a force of nature in this league for well over a decade and one of the most dominant players we've ever seen.

 

[pmatic]

Noah said to Melo "Look, you could go to LA, but if you want to win a ring, if you want your legacy to be about winning, come to Chicago."

Melo's response "I've been watching you guys, I admire how hard you play, I admire how hungry you are. Oh, and by the way, my son's favorite player? DRose."

This is from one of Broussard's "sources" so it's probably inaccurate.

It's got to suck having people question your integrity every time you publish something.

But really, that doesn't even sound like something Noah would do. If anything, he'd be campaigning for Deng to return to Chicago.

 

[bonafide hustla]

I'm finding it hard to believe people are forgetting the numbers Shaq put up for years and years and years. Chester posted it earlier but come on..

I mean this dude put up 26, 12, 3, 2.5 blocks for god damn 13 years Led the league in PER for 5 straight years and was at a 28 PER for that same 13 year stretch. I don't want to hear about him having some two year peak or anything ridiculous like that.

Yeah, he might have been even greater if he took better care of himself.. but let's not pretend he wasn't a force of nature in this league for well over a decade and one of the most dominant players we've ever seen.

bingo.

 

[100027]

Idk about being as good kobe is as good as just about anybody ever he may not have been the force shaq was at times but his consistency has to overshadow that

and when its all said and done Kobe has arguably the better career thats the point

dudes shouldnt have been able to get near the numbers Shaq should've put up

I agree with you that Kobe has probably had the better overall career. I was just talking about peak.

 

[kal-el-8]

I really don't get why people like peak over longevity and consistency.

 

[MambaMentality824]

I agree with you that Kobe has probably had the better overall career. I was just talking about peak.

Yeah, at Shaq's peak he was the best player to ever play this game, yes better than Michael. And the rest of his career, he was better than 99% of league history as well. I get both sides of the argument though. Lakers fans have a better understanding of this though, dude definitely was not 100% dedicated in taking care of his body and missed tons of game every season as a result. That does indeed hurt his legacy and hindered him from performing at his peak for a longer period of time. When people say he didn't live up to his maximum potential, that's not to say he isn't one of the top 10 players of all time. But like I said, he truly could've been the GOAT. That's a pretty big difference.

 

[ill steelo]

I agree with you that Kobe has probably had the better overall career. I was just talking about peak.

Yeah, at Shaq's peak he was the best player to ever play this game, yes better than Michael. And the rest of his career, he was better than 99% of league history as well. I get both sides of the argument though. Lakers fans have a better understanding of this though, dude definitely was not 100% dedicated in taking care of his body and missed tons of game every season as a result. That does indeed hurt his legacy and hindered him from performing at his peak for a longer period of time. When people say he didn't live up to his maximum potential, that's not to say he isn't one of the top 10 players of all time. But like I said, he truly could've been the GOAT. That's a pretty big difference.

Better than Mike?

When did Shaq average 41 in the fnals?

When was Jordan ever held to 21 ppg during any playoff series in his prime?

The man was dominant but relax.

 

[black entourage inc]

kareem had wilt, parish, moses malone, ralph sampson/hakeem and dave cowens

Add Bill Walton/Nate Thurmond/Bob McAdoo/Bob Lanier/Wes Unseld to that list. Would've loved to have seen Shaq go against Kareem with both in their respective primes. As dominant as Shaq was, Kareem was just as(if not more) dominant in the 70's. Damn near averaged 30/15 for the entire decade.

Shaq COULD have and SHOULD have those same numbers for his entire career or at least part of it. Competitionat the center spot wasn't strong when he was dominant(2000 era). Regardless he had a great career and it's definitely appreciated. As a Laker fan though it pissed me off when he showed up to Miami in shape and ready to go.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Yeah, at Shaq's peak he was the best player to ever play this game, yes better than Michael. And the rest of his career, he was better than 99% of league history as well. I get both sides of the argument though. Lakers fans have a better understanding of this though, dude definitely was not 100% dedicated in taking care of his body and missed tons of game every season as a result. That does indeed hurt his legacy and hindered him from performing at his peak for a longer period of time. When people say he didn't live up to his maximum potential, that's not to say he isn't one of the top 10 players of all time. But like I said, he truly could've been the GOAT. That's a pretty big difference.

Why are you comparing two different players? You can make the argument that Shaq was the best center ever, but not the best overall player. Shaq had to sit out several 4th qtr stretches due to his poor FT shooting. The "best" player in the NBA can't afford to do that.

 

[big j 33]

That last bit about "My son's favorite player? D Rose" That sounds like something someone made up for a great quote, rather than something Carmelo Anthony would actually say

 

[antidope]

I really don't get why people like peak over longevity and consistency.

Too many factors play into longevity in most peoples minds (see the LeBron Vs Jordan at ____ Age comments, people always drag college, teams they played on etc etc into it).


Its always easier to judge things in a vaccum.

 

[sea manup]

Hopefully melos son has better knees than his favorite player

 

[cashbanks]

yea settling for top 10 when you couldve been in a class all your own doesnt cut it in my book I'm sorry

shaq never avg 30ppg

never avg 15rebs

never even led the league in rebounding

only got you 3 blocks a game twice in his whole career

was never the defensive force he should've been

all while shooting below 60% from the line

but this is arguably the most dominant player ever? NAH

dude didnt pan out the way he should've flat out

AND Hakeem gave him that work

 

[bonafide hustla]

Yeah, at Shaq's peak he was the best player to ever play this game, yes better than Michael. And the rest of his career, he was better than 99% of league history as well. I get both sides of the argument though. Lakers fans have a better understanding of this though, dude definitely was not 100% dedicated in taking care of his body and missed tons of game every season as a result. That does indeed hurt his legacy and hindered him from performing at his peak for a longer period of time. When people say he didn't live up to his maximum potential, that's not to say he isn't one of the top 10 players of all time. But like I said, he truly could've been the GOAT. That's a pretty big difference.

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