2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[100027]

I'd rather a good team playing above .500 ball that can get past the 1st round like last years team than that team or this current team.

Besides I look at who we traded and ask where are they now?

They had one of the best records in the West before their injuries with the former Knicks team...  They still have a better record than the Knicks this year (over .500)  

 .  So yeah, that's where they are.

Not to mention Denver has a number of young, moveable assets that could be used to change or improve the team.  Whereas the Knicks are stuck in hell for years to come.

 

[jumpmantwenty3]

Never understood the hate for D'antoni. This guy was running the West (admittedly not during the playoffs) for like 5 years straight, and was one Horry cheapshot away from the Finals. And don't give me the 'he had Nash' crap, every top team in the West had a stacked squad.

 

[100027]

Never understood the hate for D'antoni. This guy was running the West (admittedly not during the playoffs) for like 5 years straight, and was one Horry cheapshot away from the Finals. And don't give me the 'he had Nash' crap, every top team in the West had a stacked squad.

People are bothered because his style didn't fit the "traditional" idea of how an NBA team should be run.

...Until everyone else adopted it, that is.

 

[al3xis]

D'Antoni = visionary.

 

[beh235]

I need to see the average MPG for these "fat" players.

The GOAT fat player tho...

 

[dman14]

aside from stephon marbury, dwight howard, and maybe melo, players speak fondly of dantoni. his suns teams werent that bad defensively

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

 

 

If you mean good ball as in jack up 3s and play no defense (before there were any trades, hell even before they signed STAT) then yeah no reason to be bitter.

Yeah except the Knicks won 54 games last year "jacking up threes" and using many of D'Antoni's principles on offense. They led the league in attempted threes. The idea that you can't win shooting a lot of threes is an outdated one.

Defensively the Knicks were actually very good in '11-12 (5th best in the league) because they added Tyson Chandler. It largely depends on personnel, it's no coincidence the Knicks were horrid defensively pre-Tyson and again after Tyson was banged up and missing games. You can only do so much with poor defensive players.

Last year's team played defense though. What are you talking about?

I should be clear though, jacking up 3s and not have any focus on defense, being mainly known for your "offensive genius" as a coach is not what I want and is usually gonna fail once that coach doesn't have the right personnel to out score the opponent instead of having the team know how to stop a team.

Things like player management, out of timeout plays, and just plain overall smart coaching decisions at crucial moments are also reasons one can be bitter about Pringles coaching approach to NBA basketball.

But I know it's mostly the personnel's fault. If that's the case no team really needs him to coach them, just copy his offensive style and find a coach that actually do the other important things it takes to be a coach. It's just a coincidence he hasn't found success with another team since he had a hof pg and all-star pf. Dolan had him hire Woodson as a defensive assistant coach just cuz.

 

[JD617]

Last year's team played defense though. What are you talking about?

No they didn't. They gave up 106.3 points per 100 possessions, that's 18th in the league. They were slightly below average defensively. They were winning games behind their ball movement and three point shooting.

 

[100027]

Last year's team played defense though. What are you talking about?

I should be clear though, jacking up 3s and not have any focus on defense, being mainly known for your "offensive genius" as a coach is not what I want and is usually gonna fail once that coach doesn't have the right personnel to out score the opponent instead of having the team know how to stop a team.

You could argue that D'antoni never had the right personnel to put out an elite defense.  Were Doc and Tom Tib putting out elite defensive squads before KG fell into their laps?  You think the Bulls would rank top 5 in defense every year without some of the best defensive players in the league?  People act like defense isn't a skill but we all know players who have it and players who don't....

If you really think D'antoni only focused on one side of the ball, you have to acknowledge that he did as well or better than guys like Thibodeau or JVG who focused only on defense...

 

[black migo]

Never understood the hate for D'antoni. This guy was running the West (admittedly not during the playoffs) for like 5 years straight, and was one Horry cheapshot away from the Finals. And don't give me the 'he had Nash' crap, every top team in the West had a stacked squad.

Nash was peyton manning of the nba, any coach couldve looked good on that suns team, thats like saying byron scott/lawrence frank were great coaches for taking the nets to b2b finals, nah that was 80% j kidd, dantoni was blessed to have a great pg on his resume or he probably wouldnt be a coach anymore after quitting on the knicks

 

[darthska]

Bryant Reeves and Robert Traylor (RIP) would like to know if they can play. 

I mean, I would think nicknames 'Big Country' and 'Tractor' have to count for something. 

 

 

[beh235]

 
Bryant Reeves and Robert Traylor (RIP) would like to know if they can play. 

I mean, I would think nicknames 'Big Country' and 'Tractor' have to count for something. 

 

Good point 

 

[darthska]

Round Mound of Rebound got wind of this discussion as well.

 

[100027]

Nash was peyton manning of the nba, any coach couldve looked good on that suns team, thats like saying byron scott/lawrence frank were great coaches for taking the nets to b2b finals, nah that was 80% j kidd, dantoni was blessed to have a great pg on his resume or he probably wouldnt be a coach anymore after quitting on the knicks

  I give up.

 

[grandtheftbike]

Nash was peyton manning of the nba, any coach couldve looked good on that suns team, thats like saying byron scott/lawrence frank were great coaches for taking the nets to b2b finals, nah that was 80% j kidd, dantoni was blessed to have a great pg on his resume or he probably wouldnt be a coach anymore after quitting on the knicks

Nash's apg spiked the year he went to Phx. hell, Duhon even managed to avg 7 apg for a year under MDA

 

[addict4sneakers]

John "hot plate" Williams

 

[rck3sactown]

Fat Shawn Kemp too

 

[darthska]

Kemp really did lose himself in Cleveland. 

 

[100027]

 
Kemp really did lose himself in Cleveland. 

It's cool, we got Vin Baker to replace him.  That dude really took good care of himself.

 

[darthska]

 Touche. 

 

[jumpmantwenty3]

Nash was peyton manning of the nba, any coach couldve looked good on that suns team, thats like saying byron scott/lawrence frank were great coaches for taking the nets to b2b finals, nah that was 80% j kidd, dantoni was blessed to have a great pg on his resume or he probably wouldnt be a coach anymore after quitting on the knicks

If you can't tell the difference between SSOL dominating the West and a Nets team running through a pathetic Eastern conference then you should probably watch more bball

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

Last year's team played defense though. What are you talking about?

No they didn't. They gave up 106.3 points per 100 possessions, that's 18th in the league. They were slightly below average defensively. They were winning games behind their ball movement and three point shooting.

They were a better defensive team than they were the last two previous seasons Pringles coached.

Last year's team played defense though. What are you talking about?


I should be clear though, jacking up 3s and not have any focus on defense, being mainly known for your "offensive genius" as a coach is not what I want and is usually gonna fail once that coach doesn't have the right personnel to out score the opponent instead of having the team know how to stop a team.

You could argue that D'antoni never had the right personnel to put out an elite defense.  Were Doc and Tom Tib putting out elite defensive squads before KG fell into their laps?  You think the Bulls would rank top 5 in defense every year without some of the best defensive players in the league?  People act like defense isn't a skill but we all know players who have it and players who don't....

If you really think D'antoni only focused on one side of the ball, you have to acknowledge that he did as well or better than guys like Thibodeau or JVG who focused only on defense...

What does Thibs or JVG have to do with this? We talking about Pringles. Yes Thibs focuses on defense, I couldn't speak much on him cuz he was never head coach of the Knicks.

You think the best defensive players in the league just became the best on their own? If you want to argue coaching vs. personnel go ahead. If you want to put Pringles' failings as a coach when it comes to defense all on personnel fine, I know where you stand. I don't see the point in asking me about JVG and Thibs then.

JVG definitely focused mostly on defense and the Knicks team of the late 90s and early 2000s prospered and failed because of it.

Maybe you confusing me for someone else but I'm not the type to **** on one coach and act like previous coaches were all impeccable. If they coached the Knicks I can speak on their coaching since I was their to witness it as a fan. I aint never puts Thibs or JVG on a pedestal but I can say I'd take JVG over Pringles 10 times out of 10.

Maybe when Pringles comes in to coach your fav team for several 82 game seasons and possibly playoffs you'll get to see in depth what he's good and terrible at and that it's much more than having the team shoot a lot of 3s and not play good enough defense.

I'd rather a good team playing above .500 ball that can get past the 1st round like last years team than that team or this current team.


Besides I look at who we traded and ask where are they now?

They had one of the best records in the West before their injuries with the former Knicks team...  They still have a better record than the Knicks this year (over .500)    .  So yeah, that's where they are.

Not to mention Denver has a number of young, moveable assets that could be used to change or improve the team.  Whereas the Knicks are stuck in hell for years to come.

Who are you talking about here?

I'm not talking about the Denver Nuggets. I'm talking about the players we traded.

I'm talking about Gallo, where's he? Where's Chandler? I know we got fatboy Felton back but other than Mozgov becoming a serviceable big man I'd much rather have back the draft picks we traded than the players we gave up on that .500 young ball club. Brag about Randolph and that one other dude we got from Minny if you wanna

Lets not pretend like the entire Nugget roster we're all traded directly from the Knicks. Like Lawson, Miller, Afflao (at the time), Nene (at the time), etc. don't matter.

If you're simply looking at the Nuggets and the Knicks you're doing it wrong. Nuggets aint even on my mind.

Also what hell are we stuck in for years to come? STAT, Melo, and a plethora of other players are ALL coming off the books shortly. If you don't know about the Knicks current situation please don't speak on it.

Never understood the hate for D'antoni. This guy was running the West (admittedly not during the playoffs) for like 5 years straight, and was one Horry cheapshot away from the Finals. And don't give me the 'he had Nash' crap, every top team in the West had a stacked squad.

If all you want is an exciting regular season team that looks good, that's cool. Have the young players and watch as they shoot 3s and do that 7SOL offense. If that's running the West, then yeah some other fans can have that.

Miss me with that Horry hip shot talk. It's no guarantee that they'd be in the finals if that didn't happen.

 

[dman14]

Never understood the hate for D'antoni. This guy was running the West (admittedly not during the playoffs) for like 5 years straight, and was one Horry cheapshot away from the Finals. And don't give me the 'he had Nash' crap, every top team in the West had a stacked squad.

Nash was peyton manning of the nba, any coach couldve looked good on that suns team, thats like saying byron scott/lawrence frank were great coaches for taking the nets to b2b finals, nah that was 80% j kidd, dantoni was blessed to have a great pg on his resume or he probably wouldnt be a coach anymore after quitting on the knicks

dantoni gave nash the blueprint to be great. he even stole two mvps (kb, duncan)
remember, nash had a nellie system and wasnt even putting up numbers close to that

 

[100027]

Also what hell are we stuck in for years to come? STAT, Melo, and a plethora of other players are ALL coming off the books shortly. If you don't know about the Knicks current situation please don't speak on it.
If all you want is an exciting regular season team that looks good, that's cool. Have the young players and watch as they shoot 3s and do that 7SOL offense. If that's running the West, then yeah some other fans can have that.

Miss me with that Horry hip shot talk. It's no guarantee that they'd be in the finals if that didn't happen.

Yeah, I know the current situation.  But you think the Knicks are golden.  lol.  Stuck with Amare's contract for another season.  Stuck with Chandler for another season.  Stuck with J.R. through 15/16.  No 1st rounders next year or in 2016.  Resign Melo and stuck in the same boat, or lose him while the Nuggets pick a franchise player in the top 5 with the pick you traded for him (which they will do anyway).  Whoop-dee-doo.

 

[dman14]

Also what hell are we stuck in for years to come? STAT, Melo, and a plethora of other players are ALL coming off the books shortly. If you don't know about the Knicks current situation please don't speak on it.

If all you want is an exciting regular season team that looks good, that's cool. Have the young players and watch as they shoot 3s and do that 7SOL offense. If that's running the West, then yeah some other fans can have that.


Miss me with that Horry hip shot talk. It's no guarantee that they'd be in the finals if that didn't happen.

Yeah, I know the current situation.  But you think the Knicks are golden.  lol.  Stuck with Amare's contract for another season.  Stuck with Chandler for another season.  Stuck with J.R. through 15/16.  No 1st rounders next year or in 2016.  Resign Melo and stuck in the same boat, or lose him while the Nuggets pick a franchise player in the top 5 with the pick you traded for him (which they will do anyway).  Whoop-dee-doo.

this. the current knicks situation is dolan continuously running this franchise. check his stats