2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[mister friendly]

 

 

We went over this before, Phil is great but I believe he's never coached without a first All-NBA selection and most of the time, he coached 2 or 3 All NBA players at a time

Who do you consider, as a coach, that is good? And out of those coaches, who hasn't coached All NBA talent?


PJ is the greatest coach in NBA history. He's phenomenal. He's the only coach to me who actually has an offense and a system. It's rare that you see him resort to typical pick and roll basketball that virtually every other coach for the past 20 years has resorted to. He almost always strips down his teams because he knows the value of having a mastermind. (The teams that he inherited in LA both times were more talented than the teams he won with) He then always has his players in the best possible positions for them to succeed, there by allowing them to maximize their talents. (I.E. you'll never see sasha vucaic playing pick and roll or having to make a play) His teams almost never get knocked off balance not only because of his demeanor, but because every single thing that the defense can do goes right into some sort of action from the triangle.


I absolutely love phil. GOAT.

Mike was Mike before Phil.


Shaq was Shaq before Phil.


Kobe was Kobe before and after Phil.

mike shaq and kobe have a total of 1 championship before and after phil

and that was with a prime dwade and pat riley who is a top 3 all time coach

Shaq went to a Finals without Phil.

Kobe won 5 playoff series without Phil

Mike won 3 series without Phil

Phil has one playoff series win without those guys.

 

[black migo]

If blake gets a consistent face up bank shot

 

[sea manup]

 

 

the 01 lakers are the greatest team in nba history

Better than 72-10 Bulls? I respectfully disagree.

Think he means playoff team. They DEMOLISHED 4 50-60+ win teams.

Crushed.

And were a moronic mental mistake in OT away from sweeping a postseason.

i would say that the 72-10 bulls are the greatest in terms of consistency but that 01 lakers team (like shaq) is the most DOMINANT team of all time

personally i dont see any other team in nba history being able to stop shaq or beat the 01 lakers

 

[lynchpin33]

like how the ENTIRE clipper team came out to see about Blake, new atmosphere in town with Doc coaching.

 

[xbiker47]

OT

 

[lawdog1]

Man, what a game.

 

[black migo]

Shaq went to a Finals without Phil.

Kobe won 5 playoff series without Phil

Mike won 3 series without Phil

Phil has one playoff series win without those guys.

What did pippin do?

 

[shoeking2101]

Mike was Mike before Phil.

Shaq was Shaq before Phil.

Kobe was Kobe before and after Phil.

No they were not. PJ maximizes talent. From the BJ Armstrong's to the Kobe Bryant's and Shaquille O'neal's.

Not even going to go into how successful they were before PJ got to them because that's obvious. However, just by watching them play you see a huge difference in their style of play under phil. A style of play that is much more conducive towards winning. Kobe and Mike went from playing screen and roll ball trying to create plays from the 3 point line, to catching and operating 15 feet from the basket. Big change in play that allows them to score closer to the basket, and makes it harder to double team them.

Furthermore, as I stated Phil Jackson never has the most talent, but rather he builds teams that perfectly fit around the stars that he inherits.

 

[americangenius]

Think he means playoff team. They DEMOLISHED 4 50-60+ win teams.

Crushed.

And were a moronic mental mistake in OT away from sweeping a postseason.

That was an insane playoffs, and Iverson played the game of his life. I do think the only way Heat can get that status is with a 4-peat(which a foolish 2011 meltdown may have potentially prevented).

 

[sea manup]

Shaq went to a Finals without Phil.

Kobe won 5 playoff series without Phil

Mike won 3 series without Phil

Phil has one playoff series win without those guys.

melo has won 3 playoff series total

so are you saying that without phil, MJ is melo status? 

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

I was wondering if LA was gonna make another jumper this game.

 

[shoeking2101]

Tyronn lue went from being behind the bench in boston to sitting next to the head coach he about to go solo in 3 yrs

Still awkward as hell to see but the come up is definitely noticed and is dope to see

 

[mister friendly]

Shaq went to a Finals without Phil.

Kobe won 5 playoff series without Phil

Mike won 3 series without Phil

Phil has one playoff series win without those guys.

What did pippin do?

Is Pippen in the same breath as those other guys?

But lets go there anyways

Pippen won 2 playoff series without Phil

 

[sea manup]

lillard missed an open lob to lamarcus there

 

[sea manup]

 

 

Shaq went to a Finals without Phil.

Kobe won 5 playoff series without Phil

Mike won 3 series without Phil

Phil has one playoff series win without those guys.

What did pippin do?

Is Pippen in the same breath as those other guys?

But lets go there anyways

Pippen won 2 playoff series without Phil

you know we are talking about the greatest players of all time right?

talkin about 2 playoff series wins like its something to be proud of 

phil wins more than 2 playoff series with his team every year 

 

[antidope]

Really Matt Barnes?

 

[marath0n]

Idiotic

 

[mister friendly]

Shaq went to a Finals without Phil.


Kobe won 5 playoff series without Phil


Mike won 3 series without Phil


Phil has one playoff series win without those guys.

melo has won 3 playoff series total

so are you saying that without phil, MJ is melo status? 

So Melo is the same level of players as MJ?

I'm not understanding what you are saying

My point is those 3 great players were great players before and after Phil

 

[kevin cleveland]

Is there anything more frustrating than players committing unnecessary fouls at the end of games because they're bad at math?

Christ. That happens way too much.

 

[xbiker47]

CP3 for 3 to tie it?

 

[imlive365]

I seriously expect the clips to tie this

 

[sea manup]

Is there anything more frustrating than players committing unnecessary fouls at the end of games because they're bad at math?

Christ. That happens way too much.

players committing unnecessary fouls at the end of games when they are down by 10

 

[ill steelo]

LMA has just been at another level this year. He has consistently posted HUGE numbers against good teams this year.

 

[CP1708]

What a play design right there.

 

[lynchpin33]

how many times did we see that play with rondo and garnett in boston, out of a timeout