2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[$tacy]

why do people keep saying this?

he's been past the first round twice.

Clippers lost to the Spurs in the 2nd round just two years ago.
I wonder what you would be saying about CP3 if it wasn't for "basketball reasons"

He's a flopping little ***** who gets passive when his team needs him to score. If it wasn't for basketball reasons he wouldn't have that second problem, still would be a flopping little ***** tho

 

[yeezusdisciple]

wow john wall looks to be the goods. he can find his teammates and get to the basket at will. would love to see them in the playoffs. also would like to see him around some more talent.

 

[dt43]

I'm a Wizards fan and I have to disagree. CP3 is definitely a better defender than Wall, and he has multiple All-Defensive teams to back it up. He's extremely active in the passing lanes and is an annoying pest of an on-ball defender. Wall has great length (6'9 wingspan) and is a terrific shotblocker, but right now he still needs to work on understanding positioning and staying 100% focused on the defensive end. He definitely has the ability to be an elite defender, but like most young stars it's just a matter of consistent effort.


Unlike what a lot of people think, the biggest gap between CP3 and Wall isn't bball IQ or pure PG ability, it's actually scoring. Paul can get any shot whenever he wants, and he does it with crazy efficiency. Scoring efficiency is the least-developed part of Wall's game, he has a lot of work to do before even coming close to Paul in that regard.


I believe that when we're watching Chris Paul, we are watching one of the 2-3 greatest point guards to ever play. When people say Parker, Westbrook etc are comparable to CP3 it's just like.. stop it. People love to talk about Lebron's dominance, but right now the gap between Paul and the 2nd best PG is bigger than the gap between Lebron and Durant. I don't think it's really possible to play the position any better than Paul does. If not for a certain 6'9 freak of nature, public opinion would probably view Chris Paul as the premier point guard in NBA history.



The only thing about him that rubs me the wrong way is.. why does someone that talented, still feel the need to flop all over the floor like a girl. And the refs continue to give him the calls despite knowing his reputation

i ll cmpletely agree with you cp3 is better on positioning and thats what gives him all the steals he gets but as u said he isnt better than wall , he isnt more athletic and wall is better at defending 1v1 something that makes wall slightly better defender imo.

i also cmpletely agree with you about cp3 being better at scoring but whats makes him better at scoring is that he is a FAR better shooter .

also you think paul is that better from deron ? the difference between deron and cp3 and slighter than durant-lebron , deron has achieved more than cp3 when healthy ( didnt he go to WCF with utah during boozer-deron-kirilenko era in utah where they got eliminated by the lakers ? ) while cp3 has only made it the first round , and from those playoffs that he has participated the best was the one against the lakers when he was on the hornets.and apart from the lakers he got eliminated by grizzlies not any elite west team like spurs or OKC.

deron is imo better overall player than cp3 (not that better though) but because of his injuries lately ppl cant understand that.

also i believe that cp3s hornets team was a better TEAM than these clippers.chandler and david west at least are x10000000000000000 times better than the bums griffin and jordan.maybe they were the most underrated two towers in nba history even

Utah got to the WCF against San Antonio not the Lakers. And yes Williams was excellent, but he had a better overall team than CP3 and better coach in Jerry Sloan. Carlos Boozer was beasting in the playoffs that year, he was putting up like 25/10.

Personally I don't think CP3's playoff losses fall on him. Every year in the postseason he has elevated his play and put up better stats than in the regular season.

I remember that Hornets team well, I started really following them during that exciting OKC year. Their best chance to win was in 2008, but they ran into the Spurs who were just a better team. Paul individually played great, his team was just outmatched.

Lebron James is the best Point Guard in the NBA

Then why is he leading the league in turnovers?

Stan alert..

 

[rck3sactown]

Damn I would have guessed Harden or Russy would lead the league in TO's 

But Lebron?!? Thats crazy. I am a stan 

 

[duba169]

So you can lead the league in PER in the playoffs and hit game winners but still get blamed when you lose? Makes sense

I guess Chris out there playing 1 on 5 since its all his fault. Ya'll gotta stop judging individual players by their team's success when it's obvious that the two aren't always interconnected. We saw Bron couldn't win without the right supporting cast, we saw KD without Westbrook last year, but y'all wanna play dumb. Don't try to tell me the Clippers or those Hornets teams would have gone any further without CP3 or if you plug any other PG in the league in.


"Rings" arguments are some of the dumbest in sports, y'all need to get your heads out your *** and see Paul's greatness if you actually are a real fan of basketball specifically great point guards.

Nobody was even arguing rings. I brought up Stockton and he don't even have one. Kidd doesn't have one as the main cog either.

A superstar effects the outcome more in basketball than any other team sport by a wide margin. It isn't that much to ask that he gethru rather before he's claimed a top 2 point guard ever. PER. TS. I really don't care.

With that said even though I hate his antics he's an incredible player

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

And then in the playoffs, somebody will put their 2 guard on Cp3 and he's out in the first round again

As much as this is true and as much as it is a golden era for point guards, point guards don't win championships. The other point guards around the league haven't fared any better than Paul other than Parker, who has had the best power forward ever for his entire career and one of the best coaches to ever walk the earth

You guys can criticize Paul all you want but the bottom line is is that he's the best at his position and has been for a while

 

[duba169]

I can agree with all that^

 

[datznasty]

Parker has stunk in elimination series and especially the elimination game the last 2 yrs. Nobody just says anything about it, when Duncan has 20 in the first half then Parker decides to chuck for 20 + fgas in the 2nd half, with LeBron guarding him no less, on a horrendous percentage or lets his team go from looking like the best team ever to losing 4 straight.

 

[black migo]

cp3 needs to play with a big time scorer, hes too inconsistent when it comes to being a scorer and taking over games & i dont see blake ever being a 25 ppg player

 

[goldmember]

Paul ain't going anywhere with Blake as his 2nd option.

 

[Bert.]

He led the league in playoff PER in 3 of the 5 years he's been in the playoffs. Don't let that get in the way of your dumb narratives though.

stats dontmatter if u not winnin

exactly, people buy into stats too much

so sad

 

[black migo]

I honestly think crawford is the #2 option, especially in late game situations

 

[Bert.]

Parker has stunk in elimination series and especially the elimination game the last 2 yrs. Nobody just says anything about it, when Duncan has 20 in the first half then Parker decides to chuck for 20 + fgas in the 2nd half, with LeBron guarding him no less, on a horrendous percentage or lets his team go from looking like the best team ever to losing 4 straight.

Lebron guarding him...


plus hes won 3 championships.. hes done more than enough so its OK for him to lose once in awhile.

 

[rck3sactown]

 

 

He led the league in playoff PER in 3 of the 5 years he's been in the playoffs. Don't let that get in the way of your dumb narratives though.

stats dontmatter if u not winnin

exactly, people buy into stats too much

so sad

SO YOU TELLING ME THERE'S A CHANCE!

 

[goldmember]

I honestly think crawford is the #2 option, especially in late game situations

Will he try those "nasty" crossovers during late game situations in a game 7 or something? ..especially with DOC as the head coach?

He turns into a catch and shoot guy during crunch time.

 

[urbetterthenme]

cp3 needs to play with a big time scorer, hes too inconsistent when it comes to being a scorer and taking over games & i dont see blake ever being a 25 ppg player

Melo

 

[gllahone84]

As much as this is true and as much as it is a golden era for point guards, point guards don't win championships. The other point guards around the league haven't fared any better than Paul other than Parker, who has had the best power forward ever for his entire career and one of the best coaches to ever walk the earth

You guys can criticize Paul all you want but the bottom line is is that he's the best at his position and has been for a while

 

[Bert.]

As much as this is true and as much as it is a golden era for point guards, point guards don't win championships. The other point guards around the league haven't fared any better than Paul other than Parker, who has had the best power forward ever for his entire career and one of the best coaches to ever walk the earth

You guys can criticize Paul all you want but the bottom line is is that he's the best at his position and has been for a while

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[thread="571782"]What has he won?[/thread]

repped

 

[black migo]

Will he try those "nasty" crossovers during late game situations in a game 7 or something? ..especially with DOC as the head coach?

He turns into a catch and shoot guy during crunch time.

Thats because cp3 would hold the ball for 20 secs & play pick n roll with blake, but that was under del negro so hopefully doc would give crawford the ultimate green light during the postseason like hes doing now, i'll let jamal go iso before i throw it to blake in the post

 

[HIM]

People say cp3 gets no criticism but there's been 3 pages of criticizing him. You guys say Blake sucks, Deandre sucks, Crawford sucks but then when it comes to criticizing Paul all of sudden they're good and he shouldn't need anymore help. Why are you guys obsessed with ranking players?

 

[shoeking2101]

Here's the thing with Chris Paul to me.

He's a phenomenal player, one of the best point guards ever. He consistently makes the right play. He's a bonafide first option.

But you aren't going to win in the playoffs if he's your primary/best scoring option. Despite his occasional high scoring outputs during the regular season, him doing that in the playoffs won't result in wins. Primarily, because in the playoffs you play better defense consistently, and that combined with his size makes it incredibly hard for him to throw up 25 to 30 every night in the playoffs. He isn't Allen Iverson. He isn't even Isiah Thomas scoring wise. CP, as effective as he is, will not be able to efficiently churn out 30 point games in the playoffs. It'll get ugly fast. And because he consistently makes the right plays, you more than likely won't see him try to score on Tony Allen, or Thabo Stefolosha. This is what leads to people saying "He gets to passive at times, etc." when in fact it isn't that, he just knows when he can score against someone/team in an efficient fashion. Therefore, if you look through his career, who has been the best scorers on his teams?

Chris Paul needs a bonafide #1 scoring option to win in the playoffs. This is why it's so important for Blake Griffin to take that leap in the postseason. So far this year, Blake is taking those strides, but we'll see come April.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Again, what has any elite point guard won besides tony Parker?

And don't say rondo with a straight face

 

[awwsome]

Again, what has any elite point guard won besides tony Parker?

And don't say rondo with a straight face

There's no use in trying to talk to them about it, they let their personal opinions toward Paul effect their basketball opinions. Either that or they are just misinformed, either way, there's no winning.

 

[iluvjordanxi]

Damn I would have guessed Harden or Russy would lead the league in TO's 

But Lebron?!? Thats crazy. I am a stan |I

I would have thought Curry. Last season was just a minor problem but now its well known.

 

[urbetterthenme]

Yall stay using championships as the only measure of "wining" in the NBA. Its not. Ron Harper has like 5 rings, was he the best point guard in the NBA during the 90s at ANY POINT?