Is Don Lemon the most influential Uncle Tom in the game right now?

IMO dude isn't shucking and jiving to please his massahs like people are accusing him of.

he's speaking from his heart. its just misguided because he lacks empathy and understanding of black people/culture. seems like his experiences are mostly from statistics and people watching black folks.

but...as much as I love AP, Don Lemon wasn't wrong in that article. it was highly insensitive, but he was right. 7 kids out of marriage is reckless, irresponsible, and a microcosm of bigger issues.

btw...I dont want to make a separate thread for it, but a lot of dudes on this board need to stop ODing with the conspiracies. its honestly just as stupid to OD with it as it is to be completely ignorant and have zero awareness that there is shady stuff that happens behind the scenes in our world. you think you're enlightened and so much more intelligent than you're fellow sheep of a man, but really you just make an *** of yourself.
 
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nYcHipHopHippo said:
IMO dude isn't shucking and jiving to please his massahs like people are accusing him of.

he's speaking from his heart. its just misguided because he lacks empathy and understanding of black people/culture. seems like his experiences are mostly from statistics and people watching black folks.

but...as much as I love AP, Don Lemon wasn't wrong in that article. it was highly insensitive, but he was right. 7 kids out of marriage is reckless, irresponsible, and a microcosm of bigger issues.

btw...I dont want to make a separate thread for it, but a lot of dudes on this board need to stop ODing with the conspiracies. its honestly just as stupid to OD with it as it is to be completely ignorant and have zero awareness that there is shady stuff that happens behind the scenes in our world. you think you're enlightened and so much more intelligent than you're fellow sheep of a man, but really you just make an *** of yourself.
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And that's why a lot of the things he says make him seem naive. His paradigm is very limited, but people that don't know any better will allow him to paint their picture of an entire race of people. It's sad really.
 
nYcHipHopHippo said:
IMO dude isn't shucking and jiving to please his massahs like people are accusing him of.

he's speaking from his heart. its just misguided because he lacks empathy and understanding of black people/culture. seems like his experiences are mostly from statistics and people watching black folks.

but...as much as I love AP, Don Lemon wasn't wrong in that article. it was highly insensitive, but he was right. 7 kids out of marriage is reckless, irresponsible, and a microcosm of bigger issues.

btw...I dont want to make a separate thread for it, but a lot of dudes on this board need to stop ODing with the conspiracies. its honestly just as stupid to OD with it as it is to be completely ignorant and have zero awareness that there is shady stuff that happens behind the scenes in our world. you think you're enlightened and so much more intelligent than you're fellow sheep of a man, but really you just make an *** of yourself.
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DCAllAmerican said:
Oh I didn't know that place existed. Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not 8)
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I was definitely joking :lol: hence the quotation marks.


Bless said:
And that's why a lot of the things he says make him seem naive. His paradigm is very limited, but people that don't know any better will allow him to paint their picture of an entire race of people. It's sad really.
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Ding! This is the key issue here.

Dude loves to spout off statistics without context. Just throwing out #'s without exploring the reasons WHY is silly to me and pointless if one wishes to encourage change and begin real, honest discussion on the issues.

Black crime and incarceration rates are trending downward. Graduation rates and college enrollment is trending upward. The myth of Black on Black crime. Etc., and I could go on. But these statistics are never brought up meaninglessly.

If you have weeds in your garden you don't just cut them, you have to remove them from the root. If you want to talk about the ROOT of issues affecting our community in order to bring about real change, I'm all for it. If you want to air out your own race and it's problems for television spots, page clicks and white super conservative "Atta Boys" then you can miss me with that ******** you're singing.
 
JJ Watt said:
Question.

I'm Hispanic so I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to know the issues of the African American community, cause honestly outside or some media outlets, I don't follow up in it and I really don't care. I have my own problems and Hispanics have their own issues as well.

Is this guy considered a "uncle Tom" because he speaks out on the subject on hand or because the manor in which he speaks about it?

Or is he just saying what's already "known" ?
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It's not just what he's saying, but how he's saying it.

And I agree completely with most of the things that he said. But when a guy who obviously didn't grow up in/near the communities he so heavily chastises, it's almost impossible to not see it as condescending.

"I've lived in SEVERAL predominantly white neighborhoods in my life...I rarely, if ever, witnessed people littering.[COLOR=#red] I live in Harlem now, its a historically black neighborhood, every single day I see adults and children dropping their trash on the ground[/COLOR]..." - From the video posted earlier

He said it himself. He isn't accustom to life in the ghetto. He is being critical of black people after living around white people all of his life. Now that he is a graduate and a TV personality, he believes that he has the creditibility to be critical of a community that he knows nothing about? The black and white lines that Don Lemon so vividly describes in his video become grey very quickly when you haven't ever known your father, your mother spends more on drugs than she does food, and the only people you can depend on are the very same people supplying your mother with that needle.

Forget worrying about picking up trash, avoiding pregnancy out of wedlock, etc... Most people in the hood are just trying to find their next meal.
 
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Wait you have to be part of a culture now to criticize it certain aspects of it? I'm not Muslim nor have I ever lived under sharia law but I am critical of the way women an homosexuals are treated in conservative Muslim nations. Do my criticisms hold no merit cause I don't go to the mosque every Friday or whenever the hell they go. The excuse making and lack of accountability in this thread speaks volumes.
 
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Wait you have to be part of a culture now to criticize it? I'm not Muslim nor have I ever lived under sharia law but I am critical of the way women an homosexuals are treated in conservative Muslim nations. Do my criticisms hold no merit cause I don't go to the mosque every Friday or whenever the hell they go.
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Thats only because your American and we think we can do that.

Take out all the political bs, you cant judge someone you dont know, and all you know is what someone told/showed you. Especially, if you wasnt there.
 
Thank u bless bless fantastic4our fantastic4our and yeah yeah for beating me to it :lol:

Dude doesn't know what it's like to grow up in an impoverished Black neighborhood so he doesn't understand the plight and struggle. He believes that he is entitled to speak on it because he's Black, which is further from the truth. How can u truly speak on somethin and have your comments have meat if u can't relate to them? Ok, he lives in Harlem now, but a lot of white communities before hand. Does he know what it feels like to have to borrow bread from your neighbors, not get the right information about health and health related issues, probably not. Not to mention, his delivery was condescending to say the least which would taint the whole message.

In regards to Black on Black crime, what do u get when a group of people all live in an area together? White on White crime happens as well, so does Asian on Asian, Latino on Latino, etc. U have communities of races and violence, u can bet ur bottom dollar that it's going to be two or more people of the same people involved.

If you have weeds in your garden you don't just cut them, you have to remove them from the root. If you want to talk about the ROOT of issues affecting our community in order to bring about real change, I'm all for it. If you want to air out your own race and it's problems for television spots, page clicks and white super conservative "Atta Boys" then you can miss me with that ******** you're singing.
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This right here is real rap. The effect is glorified but noone ever wants to get to the cause, the root, and figure out ways to kill the weeds (figuratively speaking) It's easy to point out the problems, even easier when u don't know what's the source of them, than it is to figure out ways to rectify them
 
LordOfCastamere said:
Wait you have to be part of a culture now to criticize it certain aspects of it? I'm not Muslim nor have I ever lived under sharia law but I am critical of the way women an homosexuals are treated in conservative Muslim nations. Do my criticisms hold no merit cause I don't go to the mosque every Friday or whenever the hell they go. The excuse making and lack of accountability in this thread speaks volumes.
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Thats only because your American and we think we can do that.

Take out all the political bs, you cant judge someone you dont know, and all you know is what someone told/showed you. Especially, if you wasnt there.
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Exactly. You're completely right., lordofcastamere lordofcastamere . Your criticisms do not hold any merit. That does not mean that your criticism is invalid. On the contrary, your criticism is just as valid as the criticisms of the people who live within that community. But, because you do not belong to their community, because you do not completely understand their way of life, and because the only contribution you can offer them is your criticism, they will never award any merit to your opinion.

You will never be considered to be credible by the people within the community if all you choose to do is judge from the outside. To have a community truly change its habits and ways, that change has to manifest itself from within the community. Don't believe me? Look at every instance in history when an outside group has occupied a community. 9 times out of 10, the people of that occupied community resisted change until it was forced onto them. While the ideas of physical occupation and changing the temperment of a community through judgement and criticism are two completely different ideas (with separate courses of action), I think the principle works the same in this instance.

My end point is this: Unless the change comes from within the community, the community in question will resist.
 
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Tr1ll said:
Thats only because your American and we think we can do that.

Take out all the political bs, you cant judge someone you dont know, and all you know is what someone told/showed you. Especially, if you wasnt there.
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Lol I'm not fully American I'm a dual citizen find another angle. I have all the information I know to mak a judgement on how women are treated in certain Islamic populations.


Funny cause if someone not in black culture speaks out against racism y'all would y be like you don't know racists enough to criticize.

Hypocrites.


Racism is a conspiracy right? Or that one is the exception to the rule that you can't criticize without being a part of that culture. A man from Norway cannot speak out against Apartheid in South Africa.
 
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I'm not knocking him cause he's gay but these major news media outlets go for a certain type of black male

You'll never see them carry one that would be like the black bill o'reilly

Can't have a color talking reckless and brash like that all the time....those in power will not allow that
 
cartune said:
"Pull up your pants" is something every elder in my neighborhood yelled at me growing up and i dont consider them uncle toms. Whether I listened to it or not i was smart enough to know that the chastising was coming from a good place.

I guess the problem is people hate when its put out in the public. "In front of white people". or like you said "entertaining white people"

Well if thats the case the irony is that you call him Uncle Tom because he's embarrassing you in front of white folks. But who are white folks to be embarrassed in front of? You putting them on a "not in front of massa" pedestal. So who's really the "Uncle Tom"?

Anyways, the truth is the truth. Other than making it personal about AP he said nothing wrong.

Some of the **** he said was nothing more than common sense anyway.
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No.

The problem is the context, I can give an old man a pass for telling you to pull up you pants.

Your advice to black people after the trayvon martin incident is to pull up your pants, the implication is that if you get gunned down for no good reason its YOUR FAULT.

not only is it not advice its, shifting blame for the entertainment of white viewers.
 
LordOfCastamere said:
Lol I'm not fully American I'm a dual citizen find another angle. I have all the information I know to mak a judgement on how women are treated in certain Islamic populations.

Funny cause if someone not in black culture speaks out against racism y'all would y be like you don't know racists enough to criticize.

Hypocrites.

Racism is a conspiracy right? Or that one is the exception to the rule that you can't criticize without being a part of that culture. A man from Norway cannot speak out against Apartheid in South Africa.
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What are you even saying here? :rolleyes

Of course people outside of a community can speak on/criticize a problem within that community. But, their criticism will never be received positively (and thus, effect any kind of change) unless their message is accepted by that community, who will in turn make changes to rectify the situation.

You can't stand outside of the gate of a community, and yell about how they are wrong in the way they choose to live life, then expect them to change according to you -- a person who can only see things from the outside looking in. Your example of a non-black speaking out against racism against blacks is poor, because in that scenario, blacks have no control over the racism. A person who is not black is a great spokesperson against racism, because they are a member of the perppetrating party that is making an observation against the community in which they belong to.
 
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Mr Marcus said:
I'm not knocking him cause he's gay but these major news media outlets go for a certain type of black male

You'll never see them carry one that would be like the black bill o'reilly

Can't have a color talking reckless and brash like that all the time....those in power will not allow that
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Unless they're talkin brash about other coloreds, then it's "Come over here, have a seat my boy. U know, I've been watchin u and I think u got moxy..."
 
Yeah said:
What are you even saying here? :rolleyes

Of course people outside of a community can speak on/criticize a problem within that community. But, their criticism will never be received positively (and thus, effect any kind of change) unless their message is accepted by that community, who will in turn make changes to rectify the situation.

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Can't you read that was in response to this dumb notion that you have to be involved in a community to criticize it.

You can't lie outside the white community and tell then how they are wrong for racIsm bro, you just can't do that.
 
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LordOfCastamere said:
Can't you read that was in response to this dumb notion that you have to be involved in a community to criticize it.

You can't lie outside the white community and tell then how they are wrong for racIsm bro, you just can't do that.
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Wut? How does your last sentence make any sense?
 
Bless said:
nYcHipHopHippo said:
IMO dude isn't shucking and jiving to please his massahs like people are accusing him of.

he's speaking from his heart. its just misguided because he lacks empathy and understanding of black people/culture. seems like his experiences are mostly from statistics and people watching black folks.

but...as much as I love AP, Don Lemon wasn't wrong in that article. it was highly insensitive, but he was right. 7 kids out of marriage is reckless, irresponsible, and a microcosm of bigger issues.

btw...I dont want to make a separate thread for it, but a lot of dudes on this board need to stop ODing with the conspiracies. its honestly just as stupid to OD with it as it is to be completely ignorant and have zero awareness that there is shady stuff that happens behind the scenes in our world. you think you're enlightened and so much more intelligent than you're fellow sheep of a man, but really you just make an *** of yourself.
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And that's why a lot of the things he says make him seem naive. His paradigm is very limited, but people that don't know any better will allow him to paint their picture of an entire race of people. It's sad really.
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don't know if you were saying that as an argument against me, but that agrees with what I was saying.

I disagree with the last part though, to put liability on other people in CNN that "allow him to paint their picture of an entire race of people." Don Lemon's CNN signature is his No Talking Points segment where he gets to speak his own mind. If one day the topic of discussion happens to be his own race, the people it goes through realistically can't tell a multiple award winning journalist who has become one of CNN's top guys that he can't do it on his own segment.

also, people need to stop with the implication that he's doing this with some secret agenda to please white people and move up the ladder.

seems like the only thing we'll agree on though is that he lacks perspective.
 
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LordOfCastamere said:
Lol I'm not fully American I'm a dual citizen find another angle. I have all the information I know to mak a judgement on how women are treated in certain Islamic populations.


Funny cause if someone not in black culture speaks out against racism y'all would y be like you don't know racists enough to criticize.

Hypocrites.


Racism is a conspiracy right? Or that one is the exception to the rule that you can't criticize without being a part of that culture. A man from Norway cannot speak out against Apartheid in South Africa.
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Can you explain what "not fully American" means? Where you raised here or not? Dual citizenship doesn't equal not being "fully American" if you were raised here.
 
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Wut? How does your last sentence make any sense?
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It makes perfect sense if you understand the assertion I'm trying to make. You people said that you can't criticize a culture without being a part of it, I have you an example of a culture black people constantly criticize yet they aren't a part of it. But I wouldn't expect you to see the hypocrisy in that.

In my other example I spoke of a Norwegian man speaking against apartheid in souh Africa a culture he isn't a part of. Y'all are quick to get on Lemon being critical because he seems like he isnt a part of black culture yet you ignore all the other examples I posted quite conveniently.


Hypocrites
 
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LordOfCastamere said:
Yeah said:
What are you even saying here? :rolleyes

Of course people outside of a community can speak on/criticize a problem within that community. But, their criticism will never be received positively (and thus, effect any kind of change) unless their message is accepted by that community, who will in turn make changes to rectify the situation.

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Can't you read that was in response to this dumb notion that you have to be involved in a community to criticize it.

You can't lie outside the white community and tell then how they are wrong for racIsm bro, you just can't do that.
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**** it, I'll entertain.

So you're saying theres a justifiable reason for racism in any community.

Hes trying to make everyone look hypocritical, but religion(your points on how Muslims treat gays and women) and racism is two totally separate zip up bags.
 
Gex The Damaja said:
Can you explain what "not fully American" means? Where you raised here or not? Dual citizenship doesn't equal not being "fully American" if you were raised here.
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I've experienced part of my life in another country, what's it to you? You gonna find another excuse of why ican't be critical of what I find to be unjust in another culture?
 
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