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Naw man can't give Stafford ANY credit. None, he's be Brandon Weeden without Megatron.
Calvin Johnson: Greatest WR of All Time Discussion
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Naw man can't give Stafford ANY credit. None, he's be Brandon Weeden without Megatron.
The argument moreso is that a more accurate QB would get the ball to Calvin in better position to make plays.
Stafford has a lot of "throw it up and pray" and Calvin manages around that.
All those tackled at the two yard lines? Might be touchdowns with a more accurate pass, etc etc. There have been throws that Staff missed the past couple years, that a Montana or Young might not have.
Not saying it's foolproof, just the basis behind the thinking. Maybe if Calvin had those QB's and more TD's, he'd have less play time because they'd be ahead and running the ball, less throwing in 4th quarters, etc etc. Goes both ways since it's all theoretical.
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I wouldn't want to see CJ with a Young/Montana type, west coast offense QB.
Much rather see him w/ guys like Stafford or a Aaron Rogers, crazy arm type QB
Much rather see him w/ guys like Stafford or a Aaron Rogers, crazy arm type QB
Sure, I agree with that no doubt, downfield guys, Young/Montana is just the comparison because of Rice (switching places, etc) For instance, Stafford heaves don't work as well with Rice, as they do with Calvin, etc.
Calvin + Rodgers, Brady, Brees, good arms with accuracy.
Calvin and Rodgers is fold the league worthy.
Calvin + Rodgers, Brady, Brees, good arms with accuracy.
Calvin and Rodgers is fold the league worthy.
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Nooo.... Dont stop...
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Just a question which I am not sure has been addressed in this thread.....
Since we discredit some current Quarterback's accomplishments in comparison to Quarterbacks of the past due to the current format of rules, why is it not ok to do the same thing with Wide Receivers?
Since we discredit some current Quarterback's accomplishments in comparison to Quarterbacks of the past due to the current format of rules, why is it not ok to do the same thing with Wide Receivers?
It was brought up earlier.
Calvin's being a lone soldier and a complete focus for EVERY defense he faces, along with his ability to make catches that should not happen, basically negates those inflated numbers that QB's have thrived off of.
Not that Calvin hasn't benefited some from the new era, just that it's not the only reason he puts up huge numbers. There are other factors working against him that balance out, imo.
There is no Moss/Carter, Harrisom/Wayne, Holt/Bruce type split of defenses to account for.
Calvin's being a lone soldier and a complete focus for EVERY defense he faces, along with his ability to make catches that should not happen, basically negates those inflated numbers that QB's have thrived off of.
Not that Calvin hasn't benefited some from the new era, just that it's not the only reason he puts up huge numbers. There are other factors working against him that balance out, imo.
There is no Moss/Carter, Harrisom/Wayne, Holt/Bruce type split of defenses to account for.
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Do you discredit QB's numbers or their talent on the field? The throws they can make, arm strength, etc, etc.? Rules don't affect Aaron Rogers ability to throw 65 yard post routs on the opposite side of the field he is throwing from, just like rules don't affect AJ Green's elite ball skills and body control. So it all depends on what exactly you are discrediting.
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Calvin johnson was targeted 204 times last year.... 204.
That is insane. I think its Jerry by a large margin.
That is insane. I think its Jerry by a large margin.
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How is that held against Calvin?
If teams knew where the ball was going on almost every play and still were unable to stop the player from producing then wouldn't you think that that player is pretty damn spectacular?
It's not just about numbers or even the extrapolation of numbers over time. They never tell the whole story, but they can be easily understood so that's why people rely on them to make a point. Football goes much deeper than the boxscores.
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yeah and jerry was a key factor in 4 superbowls and 5 superbowl appearances. 1200 yards at 40. Boxscores tell me Calvin is a stat stuffer whos yards are almost no impact on w/l record. Calvin is oft injured, sometimes lazy, not as complete. Not one facet of Calvin's game can be considered superior to Jerry but jump balls which is deserved. People will bring up speed.... who caught jerry from behind?
Calvin is the best in the NFL... Jerry is the best Ever.
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Forget it.
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Forget it.
Who else can you get to throw him the ball that would make him that much better? Stafford throws over 700 balls a year .... all with decent numbers behind it.
Calvin is the MAN right now... i do not think it is close. But he plays in a pass heavy era in which the receiver has much more leeway. The way Jerry Rice dominated in an era that leaned on the run and physical defense will probaly never be seen. Forget it? Prove me wrong.... you can't.
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Bring any stat in any shape or form that shows calvin has had the impact Jerry has had... you cant. Calvin just had his best game 329 and 1td...... Jerry has a 225 yard 5td game.... as well as a 289 3td game. Be quiet.
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Discredit may have been the wrong choice of words. Rationalize may be better.
And I dont mean in terms of their talent level. I am speaking in terms of when people compare the passing leaders of today's game to those of yesteryears. Having multiple QBs throwing for 5,000 yards? Unheard of. Example: In 1992, Troy Aikman threw for 3,445 yards. If he threw for that many yards in 2012, he would have been 19th in the league. In 1992? He was 4th.
So like I said, people use examples like I just did as a way of proving how today's NFL is totally different, and rules favor the passing game.
So with that being said, why is it ok for this rationalization to be used for QBs, but not for WRs?
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LOL at Calvin not having an affect on Detroits W/L.
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as compared to Jerry.... context. They were 4 win teams losing games and had to throw it up, with the best talent at receiver in the nfl.... you will put up numbers. Do not sit here and tell me CJ has been winning games for them every year. These arent the niners ... theyre the damn lions.
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Where does Jordy Nelson fit into all of this? He's doing some amazing things for a white WR....
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Does he have 11 straight 1000 yard seasons? or 2 1000 yard seasons at 40? Jerry dominated the 80s, 90s, and did work in the early 2000's.
He is number one in receptions, yards, touchdowns, and even led the damn league in points for a season...Randy broke the damn td record and still couldn't do that.
This is not an argument.... and you are wrong.
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Why yes, at 28 years old Calvin Johnson has had a 1,000 yard season at 40 years old. 1245 yards to be exact. 
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