Calvin Johnson: Greatest WR of All Time Discussion

Put this in perspective... in order to catch Jerry Rice in production Calvin would have to keep his average rate of production per game for:

12 seasons in order to reach his receptions mark... (meaning average 86.4 receptions a year)
10+ seasons in order to reach his yardage mark ... (meaning 87.44 yards per game)
14 seasons flat to catch his touchdown mark..... (meaning about 10 touchdowns per year)

so for the next decade plus Calvin would have to AVERAGE 86 catches,1400 yards, and 10 td's.

i used games played in correlation to stats gained to achieve those averages. If i am off my apologies. Don't think i am though.
 
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It's a shame that Calvin won't get to play in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's.

He'll just never live up to what Jerry did. Ever.
 
assyrianplaya said:
Put this in perspective... in order to catch Jerry Rice in production Calvin would have to keep his average rate of production per game for:

12 seasons in order to reach his receptions mark... (meaning average 86.4 receptions a year)
10+ seasons in order to reach his yardage mark ... (meaning 87.44 yards per game)
14 seasons flat to catch his touchdown mark..... (meaning about 10 touchdowns per year)

so for the next decade plus Calvin would have to AVERAGE 86 catches,1400 yards, and 10 td's.

i used games played in correlation to stats gained to achieve those averages. If i am off my apologies. Don't think i am though.
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#'s = GOAT

Brett Favre  = GOAT

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Is it me, or did the guy not read the original post? :lol:

Pretty sure I dropped those same numbers, and mentioned that IF he followed his current trajectory, would he then become the man?


Pretty sure no one has said that TODAY, this season, he's the best there ever was. The point is, Calvin is comin for Jerry's crown.


If he had a Delorean, then maybe he could play in 1984 and settle a few things for ya.
 
what are you guys even arguing right now ? is anyone actually arguing that currently based on what Calvin's done that he is the best ever ?

to me this is no different than the Jordan vs Lebron argument . people easily get caught up in the moment . Calvin's game last week is by no means the most impressive single game by a WR , but its easy for people to act that way
 
CP1708 said:
Is it me, or did the guy not read the original post? :lol:

Pretty sure I dropped those same numbers, and mentioned that IF he followed his current trajectory, would he then become the man?


Pretty sure no one has said that TODAY, this season, he's the best there ever was. The point is, Calvin is comin for Jerry's crown.


If he had a Delorean, then maybe he could play in 1984 and settle a few things for ya.
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If you can not see the sheer domination jerry showed in a time with where there was more physical play allowed towards the receiver... a time where the ball was thrown much less.....
Jerry had 1500 yards and 16tds in a season where his qb's threw the ball 351 times THE WHOLE SEASON. that was about 8 games for stafford last year. For perspective stafford has 13 less attempts at 338 and its 7 games through the season. no matter how you quantify... RIGHT NOW he is not jerry rice. He just isn't. Hell the most any qb ever threw it was 561 a full 105 less than stafford first full season at qb. The one year in Calvins career they threw it under 560 times was the infamous 08' season.

His numbers are just now starting to become comparable.... while getting the ball thrown at an insanely higher rate.

fraij da 5 11 said:
My man's examples and arguments are just awful.
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Prove me wrong then? Show one single shred of anything... you can't. Now you will post some dumb emoji and ride off into the sunset because you have nothing of intelligence to provide.
 
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Prez T said:
what are you guys even arguing right now ? is anyone actually arguing that currently based on what Calvin's done that he is the best ever ?

to me this is no different than the Jordan vs Lebron argument . people easily get caught up in the moment . Calvin's game last week is by no means the most impressive single game by a WR , but its easy for people to act that way
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it really isnt though... Jerry has a 289 3td game.... 225 5 td game. Yardage maybe? sure. But best game ever by a receiver? na
 
assyrianplaya said:
Put this in perspective... in order to catch Jerry Rice in production Calvin would have to keep his average rate of production per game for:

12 seasons in order to reach his receptions mark... (meaning average 86.4 receptions a year)
10+ seasons in order to reach his yardage mark ... (meaning 87.44 yards per game)
14 seasons flat to catch his touchdown mark..... (meaning about 10 touchdowns per year)

so for the next decade plus Calvin would have to AVERAGE 86 catches,1400 yards, and 10 td's.

i used games played in correlation to stats gained to achieve those averages. If i am off my apologies. Don't think i am though.
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So what you are saying is Brett Favre is the greatest quarterback ever because he has the most records?
 
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SneakerPro said:
So what you are saying is Brett Favre is the greatest quarterback ever because he has the most records?
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Jerry has the combination of everything.... Calvin even in his most dominant season has not been as dominant as Jerry .... He simply hasn't

What else would you use for a receiver? Records? Probowls? Allpros? Superbowls? Playoff performance? Regular season performance? Theres nothing.... literally nothing that you can use and say "oh yeah calvin dominated Jerry"
 
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Proshares said:
Box score fans will be box score fans, what are you going to keep arguing with him for? *shrugs*
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Box score fans? ITS JERRY FREAKING RICE.... if anything the box score in this era should HELP Calvin, but Jerry is so much better it doesn't . You proved my damn point with one post.
 
Tell me, where did I say Jerry Rice isn't the best?

The fact that you're saying bringing up a 5 TD game by Rice and then saying that CJ just has him by yardage tells me enough of what I need to know.

No one said he's the GOAT. It's a discussion about where he stands now and where he will stand. He's 28 and in his 3 prime years he's averaged 90+ catches & 1,500+ yards. The fact that we're in a pass happy era has nothing to do with his greatness so far in his career. We're debating the ascension of his career and what the rest of his peak years offer and where he could possibly stand. But you get 49er fans, NFC North fans and guys who just simply freak out when you compare any young player to a legend all bent outta shape. It's painfully obvious who is reading the entire thread and seeing the points being made and who is just jumping in at the end to voice their angry opinion.
 
Proshares said:
Tell me, where did I say Jerry Rice isn't the best?

The fact that you're saying bringing up a 5 TD game by Rice and then saying that CJ just has him by yardage tells me enough of what I need to know.

No one said he's the GOAT. It's a discussion about where he stands now and where he will stand. He's 28 and in his 3 prime years he's averaged 90+ catches & 1,500+ yards. The fact that we're in a pass happy era has nothing to do with his greatness so far in his career. We're debating the ascension of his career and what the rest of his peak years offer and where he could possibly stand. But you get 49er fans, NFC North fans and guys who just simply freak out when you compare any young player to a legend all bent outta shape. It's painfully obvious who is reading the entire thread and seeing the points being made and who is just jumping in at the end to voice their angry opinion.
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I quantified what he would have to do to catch jerry...

This is while the ball is getting thrown nearly double what Rice's era was throwing. You don't know anything :lol: Their first six years:

Jerry: 446 receptions - 7866 yards - 79 td's
Calvin: 488 receptions - 7836 - 54 td's

So he has even ourproduced his first 6 years.... anything else, champ? Jerry was better then.... can Calvin catch him? maybe, and that is a LARGE maybe. if you can not see the difference in the eras and the numbers being so damn outstanding then there is no conversation. Being too dense to understand the numbers doesnt just make them invalid.
 
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if you're going to argue that his numbers are better, i'd like to know what's your defense for Jerry played with better QBs and on better teams than Calvin has thus far.
 
assyrianplaya said:
Proshares said:
Tell me, where did I say Jerry Rice isn't the best?

The fact that you're saying bringing up a 5 TD game by Rice and then saying that CJ just has him by yardage tells me enough of what I need to know.

No one said he's the GOAT. It's a discussion about where he stands now and where he will stand. He's 28 and in his 3 prime years he's averaged 90+ catches & 1,500+ yards. The fact that we're in a pass happy era has nothing to do with his greatness so far in his career. We're debating the ascension of his career and what the rest of his peak years offer and where he could possibly stand. But you get 49er fans, NFC North fans and guys who just simply freak out when you compare any young player to a legend all bent outta shape. It's painfully obvious who is reading the entire thread and seeing the points being made and who is just jumping in at the end to voice their angry opinion.
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I quantified what he would have to do to catch jerry...

This is while the ball is getting thrown nearly double what Rice's era was throwing. You don't know anything :lol: Their first six years:

Jerry: 446 receptions - 7866 yards - 79 td's
Calvin: 488 receptions - 7836 - 54 td's

So he has even ourproduced his first 6 years.... anything else, champ? Jerry was better then.... can Calvin catch him? maybe, and that is a LARGE maybe. if you can not see the difference in the eras and the numbers being so damn outstanding then there is no conversation. Being too dense to understand the numbers doesnt just make them invalid.
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At any point, will you address the plethora of weapons to take heat off of Rice, that Calvin has never had? MVP QB's in Montana, Young, Gannon. RB's like Roger Craig, Ricky Waters, Charlie Garner. TE in Brent Jones. WR's in John Taylor, TO, Tim Brown, Jerry Porter, HOF Olineman. HOF Defensive teammates.

You see ANY of that, on the Lions these past few years next to Calvin?
 
You quantified it and showed that it's below what he's averaged in the beginning stages of his prime. And no one asked for your quantification. The same reason you're the only one to bring up that quantification. Everyone has already pretty much acknowledged that this new game helps CJ. The smart ones realized that it's not just the new way the game is today that's making him put up such gaudy stats.

You wanna keep bringing up that they're throwing the ball more now and hold that against Calvin since we all know every QB in this era is the same, be my guest. It's just a lazy way of a fan analyzing his game and stats. We've seen Mathew Stafford without CJ be a borderline top 15 QB.

You don't even begin to address valid points. I ain't gonna stoop to your stupidity level and call you dense but if attempting to look at numbers and the game in a way that's different than accepting it for what it is and classifying everyone as the same makes me dense, so be it.
 
do work son said:
if you're going to argue that his numbers are better, i'd like to know what's your defense for Jerry played with better QBs and on better teams than Calvin has thus far.
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Calvin played on bum teams that had to throw the ball more to come from behind against prevent defenses.

Jerry played in an era where defenders could be physical with receivers.

Jerry still put up numbers with Jeff Garcia.
 
Jerry played in an era where defenders could be physical with receivers.
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Do you think that being more physical with Calvin Johnson would be more, or less impactful than it would on Jerry Rice?

Think about that.
 
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