Calvin Johnson: Greatest WR of All Time Discussion

do work son said:
if you're going to argue that his numbers are better, i'd like to know what's your defense for Jerry played with better QBs and on better teams than Calvin has thus far.
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Joe and Steve are better than him no question... but does that make stafford garbage? 5000 yards going on three years in a row, 60% completions, there is no doubt Calvin's level of play has progressed only with Stafford being there. Using QB as your argument isn't a good one because Calvin became the receiver he is WITH stafford.
 
And Calvin put up #'s as a 2nd year man with Daunte Culpepper, Jon Kitna and Dan Orlovsky airing it for a grand total of 2,960 attempts for an astonishing 24th place in the league. So what are we even doing here?
 
CJ>>>>>>> Rice
Megatron aint got dreads that start at the back of his head...


**** a Jerry Rice.
 
CP1708 said:
Do you think that being more physical with Calvin Johnson would be more, or less impactful than it would on Jerry Rice?

Think about that.
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Who are we to know? who's to say he doesn't get hurt with all that contact., or put up numbers matching these last couple years... what we do know is that the way defenses were then, it was more difficult to put up numbers. Jerry always put up numbers, in multiple eras.
 
Proshares said:
And Calvin put up #'s as a 2nd year man with Daunte Culpepper, Jon Kitna and Dan Orlovsky airing it for a grand total of 2,960 attempts for an astonishing 24th place in the league. So what are we even doing here?
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Jerry put up 1500 and 15 td's in a season where Jeff Kemp played 10 games? Anything else? Those Calvin numbers are all when theyre losing, which is easier.... Kemp, Garcia, Young, Montana, Gannon.... everyone produced with Jerry, not everyone produced without.
 
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Chief, I ain't even addressing you with that post :lol: your emotions are way too high on this. You can't even read properly to know 651 said he THINKS he WILL go down as the GOAT when it's all said and done. This is worse than your rampage of posts on the Rose/Howard MVP debacle :lol: at least then you were just being an idiotic homer, so it was excusable. Now your stupidity and emotions as a Bears fan or just your gash tingling at the thought of someone saying CJ is GOAT over Jerry (which again, no one said), is clouding your judgement and disabling you from even responding intelligently. Keep doing what you're doing bud.
 
CP1708 said:
At any point, will you address the plethora of weapons to take heat off of Rice, that Calvin has never had? MVP QB's in Montana, Young, Gannon. RB's like Roger Craig, Ricky Waters, Charlie Garner. TE in Brent Jones. WR's in John Taylor, TO, Tim Brown, Jerry Porter, HOF Olineman. HOF Defensive teammates.

You see ANY of that, on the Lions these past few years next to Calvin?
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Those rb's are nothing insane fam ... c'mon....
TO was not the TO of superstardom around jerry and jerry was in his 30's and 40's with brown porter and TO....
Many receivers have played along side mvp qb's and none produced like Rice. It isn't and argument who is better, no matter how hard you want it to be. Calvin hasn't had weapons around him? 727 pass attempts... 3000 yards and 300 completions went somewhere right? why is it the talent all around rice and Calvin making everyone better? Rice didnt do that by taking pressure off them, making them the studs that they are?

His defensive teammates helped him be the greatest receiver of all time ha? :lol:
 
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Proshares said:
Chief, I ain't even addressing you with that post :lol: your emotions are way too high on this. You can't even read properly to know 651 said he THINKS he WILL go down as the GOAT when it's all said and done. This is worse than your rampage of posts on the Rose/Howard MVP debacle :lol: at least then you were just being an idiotic homer, so it was excusable. Now your stupidity and emotions as a Bears fan or just your gash tingling at the thought of someone saying CJ is GOAT over Jerry (which again, no one said), is clouding your judgement and disabling you from even responding intelligently. Keep doing what you're doing bud.
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My dude i picked you apart statistically... be quiet. You are stuck using names and "aw shucks" By doing what im doing i showed you this isn't an argument for the foreseeable future. You haven't provided anything of statistical importance to the discussion and quite frankly you were in over your head when it came to this discussion. The bears have nothing to do with this... Calvin has his worst career average against us. Tillman shuts buddy down. Now back to your idiotic argument with nothing to back it up but "he puts up yards!!!! GOAT!!!"

we use stats and even in their first six years he out produces him.
You use the eye test and team success then he edges him as well.
When there is nothing else you use name calling like a child.
Calvin gets major props for being the best in the nfl and with 10-15 years of great production he can be rice. But it is unlikely.
 
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You're really feelin' yourself right now, aren't you? :lol:

You're not the debater you probably think you are. No one is humoring you anymore because it's impossible to have a discussion with someone like you. In fact, you're ignorance has pretty much proven everyone you're firing back at to be right.

Close your pro-football-reference.com tab and take a breather.
 
651akathePaul said:
You're really feelin' yourself right now, aren't you? :lol:

You're not the debater you probably think you are. No one is humoring you anymore because it's impossible to have a discussion with someone like you. In fact, you're ignorance has pretty much proven everyone you're firing back at to be right.

Close your pro-football-reference.com tab and take a breather.
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I don't need to prove anything. This thread is useless for at least another five years. Because Johnson would need 11 seasons of 86-1400-10 to even be in the same area *** Jerry. Fam you guys are seeing a monster on the field right now, just let him earn it before you take 6 seasons and poopoo 20+ of greatness.
Speculation is cool and all... But I don't see it.
 
Roger Craig
Ricky Waters
Charlie Garner

"Ain't much" :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think you missed a few box scores good homie. Check some of those seasons bruh, rushing AND receiving. Your eyes will open.
 
CP1708 said:
Roger Craig
Ricky Waters
Charlie Garner

"Ain't much" :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think you missed a few box scores good homie. Check some of those seasons bruh, rushing AND receiving. Your eyes will open.
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You are using those names to discredit jerry rice as the GOAT. Those names won't cut it. They worked amazing in the west coast obviously. But to say that those names are the reason why Rice is the goat like is being implied is outlandish. It's not like I don't know who or what they are.... I just don't overvalue to prove a point like you are in this case. Were those top 5 guys? No. Did they take pressure off? Absolutely. That's where I'm coming from. You think they're the reason why Jerry is the goat?
 
Where I say that?

What I said is Jerry ALWAYS, read again, ALWAYS had top notch talent around him. ALWAYS. In, disputable. That is a pure, simple fact.

I did not say that fact makes him not the #1 WR of all time. I simply pointed out that every defense the 9ers/Raiders faced had their hands full with a ton of offensive talent AND a HOF Head Coach, not to mention the coaching tree that grew under him.

Now, compare ALL that talent to what surrounds Calvin. What do defenses have to fear outside of him these past 6 years? Coaching staff????

There is nothing to argue regarding this portion of the topic.
 
CP1708 said:
Where I say that?

What I said is Jerry ALWAYS, read again, ALWAYS had top notch talent around him. ALWAYS. In, disputable. That is a pure, simple fact.

I did not say that fact makes him not the #1 WR of all time. I simply pointed out that every defense the 9ers/Raiders faced had their hands full with a ton of offensive talent AND a HOF Head Coach, not to mention the coaching tree that grew under him.

Now, compare ALL that talent to what surrounds Calvin. What do defenses have to fear outside of him these past 6 years? Coaching staff????

There is nothing to argue regarding this portion of the topic.
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Fam. You're implying it. The thread is about someone else being the goat. Calvin absolutely has the talent to be the goat. If we are discussing talent ... I'm not arguing with anyone. I'd even argue there are many receivers with more talent than Roce. It's the combo of single game dominance and work ethic along with sustained excellence make him the goat. People in this thread have claimed him the goat with no substance behind that claim. It's a joke.
 
Look at this video and tell me CJ81 isn't arguably the greatest WR to play this game. Catching passes over 3 defenders, regardless of pass interference, adjusting his body in full speed.... some of his catches are just beyond ridiculous! Rice may have all these impressive records, but overall SKILL and DOMINATION as a wide out... hands down CJ won in that category.



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... in comparison to

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assyrianplaya said:
Does he have 11 straight 1000 yard seasons? or 2 1000 yard seasons at 40? Jerry dominated the 80s, 90s, and did work in the early 2000's.


This is not an argument.... and you are wrong.
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Your right, that is not an argument. Calvin hasn't been in the league for 11 years and is only 28, how can you be so dense to try and make that comparison?
 
SunDOOBIE said:
Look at this video and tell me CJ81 isn't arguably the greatest WR to play this game. Catching passes over 3 defenders, regardless of pass interference, adjusting his body in full speed.... some of his catches are just beyond ridiculous! Rice may have all these impressive records, but overall SKILL and DOMINATION as a wide out... hands down CJ won in that category.
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Silly.

They're both highly skilled and dominant, one is just more gifted physically.

Just imagine if Rice were the same size as CJ, you honestly think he wouldn't be leaping over dudes catching balls in triple coverage?
 
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SunDOOBIE said:
overall SKILL and DOMINATION as a wide out... hands down CJ won in that category.
 
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It's too early in megatron's career to be making that claim.

When it's all said and done tho, I think he will be the best that ever did it.
 
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Somebody put this thread that same binder with the "Chris Johnson will be the greatest RB" ever threads for storage.
 
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