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Originally Posted by Vincent Van Ho View Post

So much fail today in the MMA world mean.gif

Rashad out
Reem ducking JDS
Sonnen saying he'd flake on his bad blood match with Silva
Gil possibly leaving

Yikes
http://ultimatemixedmartialartsblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/february-12th-dark-day-for-the-ufc/

Credit to VVH setting the table on the topic matter. Spouted my thoughts on the four major MMA news stories from 2/12/14.
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post #1352 of 41107
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Great to hear Sonnen/Wandy is still on. Bad blood fights are always great theater

 

Reem would get destroyed by JDS IMO. Looks like JDS wants Stipe

 

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While dos Santos (16-3 MMA, 10-2 UFC) claims he is open to fighting anyone, there are only a few realistic options for the former champ. Two matchups that seemingly make sense are against rising contender Stipe Moicic (11-1 MMA, 5-1 UFC) and former UFC titleholder Josh Barnett (33-7 MMA, 5-2 UFC).

Dos Santos admits both matchups are intriguing, but if he had his choice, he said he’d face Miocic, a fighter who also like to trade strikes and would mesh perfectly in terms of style.

“I prefer Miocic,” dos Santos said. “I think Miocic is living a very good moment in his career, so it could be a good fight for the people.”

 

This Patrick Cummins guy has balls and at least he has 4 finishes in 4 fights. Cormier may have caught some feels

 

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"I heard about this kid Patrick Cummins before," UFC president Dana White told MMAFighting.com. "The thing that's interesting about this kid is that he was the training partner of Daniel Cormier and claims that he made Cormier cry when they would train together. Not only did he say that, he said he broke him every time, and he said he would break him again next Saturday."
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"There's a lot of pressure that comes with trying to win a gold medal," Cormier told MMAFighting.com, "something that Pat wouldn't understand since he was only a training partner to me and Kerry McCoy. He wasn't the guy. I appreciate him stepping up and taking the fight, but we're going to see who's going to be crying after we fight next Saturday night."

Edited by Vincent Van Ho - 2/13/14 at 8:52pm
post #1353 of 41107
Cummins is doing a great job selling his story. Can't hate him for it, this interview was gold too.

But DC is about to SMASH the kid.
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post #1354 of 41107
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Cummins is doing a great job selling his story. Can't hate him for it, this interview was gold too.

But DC is about to SMASH the kid.
I think Cummins is going to win. Wrestled at Penn State. Trained with Munoz and Schaub. Prepare to be surprised.
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post #1355 of 41107
Damn. Telling people he made Cormier cry and was owning him.
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Faith in Cormier
post #1357 of 41107
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Originally Posted by NotoriousLAR View Post

Cummins is doing a great job selling his story. Can't hate him for it, this interview was gold too.

But DC is about to SMASH the kid.

Homeboy is selling wolf tickets. DC gonna swag all over him.

Too many dudes are students of the Chael Sonnen School of Marketing these days. Problem is, graduation always ends the same way smokin.gif
Edited by RustyShackleford - 2/14/14 at 8:18am
post #1358 of 41107
Thread Starter 

Never seen dude fight and he doesn't even have a Wikipedia page :rollinso I can't make any sort of prediction

 

Regardless, if Cormier loses or even struggles to win it'll look terrible on his part. DC is really in a lose/lose situation, I kinda prefer if he just was left off the card and moved to another card against a more well-known opponent

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Noticing I'm not crazy about AKA fighters. DC, Cain, Punk.
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Wow, I'm the first to admit that I was dead wrong on the Gil situation and you were right @ChampCruThik Gil and Bellator agreed to a multi-year, multi fight contract. But UFC still has the right to match the offer. 

 

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 "It's an [opportunity] to be a part of something special and I could make history testing myself against some of the toughest LWs in the world. If the UFC wants me, they have the right to match. I'll let the fans know more as soon as it's settled."

Not gonna lie but it kinda sounds like Gil wasn't getting his way with UFC, so he negotiated a contract with Bellator hoping that UFC matches it. 

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Yo, wth? Fans have been waiting for Gil to be in the ufc and after a few fights he might be gone already. Dealing with the ufc can be a pain but it's still better than the dummies over at bellator.
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Thats why I think its a power move by Gil and his management. UFC probably isn't willing to give him what he wants, so he signs a deal with Bellator with the terms that he wants, knowing the UFC has the right to match. But he's really taking a chance cause Dana may be in one of his moods and say screw it, go enjoy Bellator.

post #1364 of 41107
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Wow, I'm the first to admit that I was dead wrong on the Gil situation and you were right @ChampCruThik
 Gil and Bellator agreed to a multi-year, multi fight contract. But UFC still has the right to match the offer. 
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 "It's an [opportunity] to be a part of something special and I could make history testing myself against some of the toughest LWs in the world. If the UFC wants me, they have the right to match. I'll let the fans know more as soon as it's settled."
Not gonna lie but it kinda sounds like Gil wasn't getting his way with UFC, so he negotiated a contract with Bellator hoping that UFC matches it. 

Damn good for Gil. smokin.gif Straight power move.

-Anyway the wifey is stuck outta town because of the snow. So it is UFC, All-Star weekend and Titanfall for me this weekend. And she is offering PSE when she gets back on Sunday to make up for missing Valentines. My reaction getting off the phone with her:


Life is good brahs, life is good smokin.gif

-Put down $150 on Gegard. Think he will take him down and control him from there
Edited by RustyShackleford - 2/14/14 at 5:32pm
post #1365 of 41107
^Wow. Me, on the other hand, is stuck celebrating post-valentines with gf's family in a province where tv and internet is not very popular. So goodbye ufc, boxing, and all-star weekend.

That move by melendez is good and I hope it can be a start to a better pay and over-all treatment of the ufc to its fighters. Or else everyone will just move to other organization. That is if melendez is serious about transferring.
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Wow, I'm the first to admit that I was dead wrong on the Gil situation and you were right @ChampCruThik
 Gil and Bellator agreed to a multi-year, multi fight contract. But UFC still has the right to match the offer. 

Not gonna lie but it kinda sounds like Gil wasn't getting his way with UFC, so he negotiated a contract with Bellator hoping that UFC matches it. 
Respect. Licking my chops for Gil against Eddie or Chandler. Bjorn can throw Rick Hawn, Will Brooks, Alexander Sarnavskiy at Gil immediately.

Shame if UFC fans don't get a Bendo rematch, title fight with Pettis, or matchup with Aldo at 155. All in reference to Melendez.

Dana overplayed his hand on this one. Gil Melendez isn't Ben Askren. MMA fans want him in the UFC octagon. Especially after FOY candidate with Sanchez. Even his title fight with Bendo was entertaining enough to keep fans intrigued.
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post #1367 of 41107
Power moves by Gil.

I think he still ends up in the UFC because of that match clause. Like y'all said, ppl actually want to see Gil fight in the UFC against the best, unlike Askren.
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post #1368 of 41107
Will Eddie even be there for him to fight?
post #1369 of 41107
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Will Eddie even be there for him to fight?

What's his contract situation looking like? I thought Chandler won the rematch and it was convenient that Alvarez got the decision.
post #1370 of 41107
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Will Eddie even be there for him to fight?
The past would indicate no. Perspective changes when you hold the belt. Can Bjorn lure Eddie to stay? Chandler rubber match, meeting Gil, Will Brooks is up-and-coming. Hawn is making noise after a successful move from WW. There's options and fights MMA fans wants to see in Bellator.
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post #1371 of 41107
From what I remember, Eddie can bounce after he fights Chandler again. But a fight with Gil would be big $$$ for him in Bellator.

Interested to see how their first PPV works out.
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post #1372 of 41107
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From what I remember, Eddie can bounce after he fights Chandler again. But a fight with Gil would be big $$$ for him in Bellator.

Interested to see how their first PPV works out.
Bellator needs the Gil draw at 155. Not much outside Straus/Curran, King Mo/Rampage, Chandler/Eddie, etc.
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post #1373 of 41107

Eddie is done with Bellator after his next fight with Chandler. But if you believe Dana, Eddie has to win cause UFC won't sign him if he loses. 

 

But this Gil/UFC thing is only gonna get messier as time goes on.

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@GilbertMelendez won’t be punked by @danawhite if not careful our other guys will be leaving @ufc for@BellatorMMA

— Cesar Gracie (@CesarGracieBJJ) February 14, 2014


Edited by PhillyzPhan - 2/14/14 at 7:46pm
post #1374 of 41107
Nick ain't fighting. Jake sucks. Is Cesar thinking Nate is enough leverage to threaten Dana?

Or am I missing something/someone?

None of them are champions. I think Gil was smart to play that hand the way he did, but this might be a bit much now.
post #1375 of 41107
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Nick ain't fighting. Jake sucks. Is Cesar thinking Nate is enough leverage to threaten Dana?

Or am I missing something/someone?

None of them are champions. I think Gil was smart to play that hand the way he did, but this might be a bit much now.
Nick Diaz is blatantly waiting around for a 170 title shot. It's pathetic.

Jake Shields is going to negate Lombard's power at 171 with lay and pray. His fight with Maia was painful to watch and I like wrestling and grappling.

I think Nate is ready for his next fight. Give him the winner of Cowboy and Barboza.
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post #1376 of 41107
I get all that.

I kind of misread the quote (faded). I thought he meant other Cesar Gracie fighters would leave the UFC.

So my point was, that's a pretty hollow threat right now unless there's someone else in that camp I'm unaware of.

But re-reading it, he probably meant it in the broader sense.
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I get all that.

I kind of misread the quote (faded). I thought he meant other Cesar Gracie fighters would leave the UFC.

So my point was, that's a pretty hollow threat right now unless there's someone else in that camp I'm unaware of.

But re-reading it, he probably meant it in the broader sense.


Agreed, the Skrap Pack don't have that much leverage right now. Shields puts me to sleep. Nick is "retired". And Nate is chilling on the sidelines at 155 waiting to fall *** backwards into a Main Event.


Dana has been a prick lately but he is running the only legit game in town. I don't care who you are, that UFC belt is the ultimate goal.
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post #1378 of 41107

No I think that Cesar was talking about both Diaz bros and Shields leaving. The problem is that Nick is basically retired and only willing to fight for the belt. Nate still has another fight left on his contract. Don't really know about Shield's contract but he wouldn't be missed too much and UFC would let him walk. And except for maybe Nick, Cesar doesn't manage any of the others. 

 

I really think Gil made a strong power move but Dana has a huge ego. I could see him telling Gil that they don't want him and to go sign with Bellator. Then he'll take some shots at him and Bjorn. Only way I see Gil staying is if Lorenzo puts Dana in his place and does what he thinks is best for business.

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Thread Starter 

I don't really hold Dana nor Gil guilty for doing what they had to do. Who knows what terms Gilbert was asking for. Gilbert was also ducking Khabib, which is a fight that fans want to see. Again, I don't know what Dana was offering Gilbert, but gun to my head I would say it was more fair than not.

 

Gilbert's hand was forced so he did what he had to do. Props to him for finding a deal, but really wherever he went he was going to get money thrown at him.

 

Cesar acting like his guys are something special, fall back dude. I love the Diaz brothers as much as any fan, but they're both crybabies and one is such a crybaby he retired after getting his *** handed to him. The other brother talks crap on guys who have destroyed him in the recent past. They both are so stubborn and refuse to adapt to the wrestling that has become such a big part of MMA. It's a joke.

 

As much as I love Gilbert too, he doesn't make or break the division. I honestly wouldn't care if he went to Bellator, at least I'd get to see him go up against Chandler and perhaps a few other notable guys.

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For the past 2-3 weeks everything UFC related has been a **** storm. Thiago Silva, injuries, Dana constantly being a ***** and now this.
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