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I expect Dana to explain details of what they offered Gilbert soon. Then I'll judge if Dana was being stupid or not.

post #1382 of 41107
This is Bjorn's opportunity to pounce. Pry away Gil, lockup Eddie long-term, sway the Cesar Gracie camp to Bellator. Sign Askren as boring as he is, bring in Fitch since his stock is low being tapped by Burkman, Koreshkov, Lima, and Hawn at 170. Put a dent in the MMA "monopoly."

Fight Night predictions:
Machida 48-47 decision, Jacare sub, Silva sub.
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post #1383 of 41107
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChampCruThik View Post

This is Bjorn's opportunity to pounce. Pry away Gil, lockup Eddie long-term, sway the Cesar Gracie camp to Bellator. Sign Askren as boring as he is, bring in Fitch since his stock is low being tapped by Burkman, Koreshkov, Lima, and Hawn at 170. Put a dent in the MMA "monopoly."
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smokin.gif agreed.
post #1384 of 41107
WSOF and bellator should merge
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Why is Cruz wearing his dad's suit laugh.gif
post #1386 of 41107
IDK why but I believe Cummins man. I believe him when he said he broke Cormier back in the day.


Cormier is a different beast now obviously.
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Hope the rest of this card can save my night after that NBA disaster mean.gif
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post #1388 of 41107
Well.. That was fast
post #1389 of 41107
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Silva :hat

 

Didn't really get to see much from him though

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Did those back heels land? If so, smokin.gif
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Silva has to be up there with the most creative and dynamic strikers in the world. Those landed

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This event needed that finish. Now time for:

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post #1393 of 41107
This is worse than the dunk contest so far

edit: heating up a tiny bit 1-1
post #1394 of 41107
I might be in the minority, but I hate Machida fights.
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Everybody loses
post #1396 of 41107
Talent level was stupid high in that fight. Crazy technical. Still, nobody is leaving that fight satisfied.


Machida needs to fight Jacare for a shot at the Middleweight strap. Makes too much sense for the UFC to book, tho.
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post #1397 of 41107
No way Lyoto and Jacare will fight right now.

Machida was pretty damn impressive in that fight and idk how the hell Gegard just ate that first head kick like it was nothing.

Pretty sure that kick KO's damn near everyone walking on this planet, laugh.gif

He damn near shut out Mousasi in a 5 round fight.

If Jacare would've finished maybe I could see an argument for it, but I'm pretty sure Machida is getting the next shot.

I think the only way it happens is if they both want to stay busy, because Weidman/Vitor isn't for another 3 months.
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post #1398 of 41107

I don't know if I see Jacare vs Machida. Machida was wearing a boot and limping badly after the fight so who knows whats wrong with him. Jacare said that he almost pulled out of this fight with an arm injury and needs surgery.

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I'd like to see machida fight for the belt his next fight.

Agree with Hyper that first head kick was sick.gif would have put damb near everyone else to sleep
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I won't be upset at whatever the UFC does for the next title shot. I can see arguments for both Machida and Souza getting it. I could also see a logical match between the two to settle the next contender.

 

Mousasi disappointed the heck out of me

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Slow news day in the world of mma, but came across this and thought others would like to read it. Nate Quarry went on another forum and talked about the behind the scenes, shady stuff that happens in UFC. Its a semi long read.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

When I signed with the UFC this is what I was told"

We can't pay you much but you can have any sponsors you want.

Then: We need to approve your sponsors.

Then: You can't have any conflicting sponsors.

Then: You can't thank your sponsors after fights.

Then: We are not approving any sponsors that we don't like their product.

Then: Your sponsors have to pay us a fee of $50,000 for the pleasure to sponsor you.

Then: Your sponsors have to pay us a fee of $100,000 for the pleasure to sponsor you.

If a sponsor has a budget of 10k to sponsor a fighter, they are then out. If there are 5 shorts companies in the UFC you can only go to them for a sponsorship. If they have spent their budget or don't want to support an up and coming fighter they give you shorts instead of money. If you're fighting for $6,000 to show and fighting 3 times a year, even $500 makes a big difference. When there is no competition they don't have to pay you. I lost And1 as a sponsor when the UFC enacted the tax.

At the UFC summit a fighter asked if he could wear his own shirt. Dana laughed and said, "Uh... we can talk about it." I turned around and asked the UFC lawyer if I could wear my OWN shirt and he said, "Sure, give me $50,000 and we can talk about it."

People have no clue from the outside what it's like to fight for the UFC. After spending 10-15 years chasing your dream only to see that the company it's been your dream to fight for cares nothing about the fighters and only cares about the bottom line. 

When I was fighting for the UFC we got X-Mas presents like an iPod. A very bottom of the line iPod but it was still cool. Now the guys get a gift certificate to the UFC store and can use it ONE day. Any money they don't spend on that day is forfeited. 

A fighter gets to use the gym at the hotel he's fighting at for free. The cornermen and everyone with him have to pay. So I'm helping Leben make weight the day of weigh ins and have to pay to go sit in the sauna with him. The UFC couldn't say, "The fighter gets 3 people to go into the gym with him the week of the fight." 

That's just nickel and dime stuff. 

With every little bit they try to squeeze out of the fighters, the more the other organizations will look more attractive. 

I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity to fight for the UFC and everything I have besides my daughter has come from fighting. But let's not fool ourselves. It's not a charity. It's a business. And they are doing everything they can to make money. The fighters are just a product to use and discard. Every up and coming fighter is the best ever. Every ex-fighter who then expresses an opinion is a coward, loser, etc, etc. 

I fought for the world title for $10,000. Not a penny more. No bonus. No cut of the PPV. The gate alone was 3.5 million dollars. The third highest gate in UFC history at the time. And they must have loved the fight cuz they show the final punch at the start of EVERY UFC PPV. :-)

And that's fine. Because it's a business. But sooner or later the allure of fighting in the UFC will not be as attractive as fighting for an organization that takes care of you, appreciates you, will let you have sponsors to help make up the income gap, doesn't trash you when you think for yourself, and on and on. Just like every business you work for. It's funny to me to hear people cheer for Dana when he says things that if he was your boss and he said them about you, you would be looking for another job. But when you're signed to a contract, you can't go anywhere. No matter how much you want to. 

When I retired I received a form letter, EMAILED to me that said, "Should you choose to fight again you are still under contract with the UFC." I didn't even get a hard copy with a real signature that I could frame. 

As I said, I love what the UFC has done for me and my family. And specifically what Dana has done for me. 

But I also know it's a business. And that's the best piece of advice I can give to wanna be fighters. Fight for the love of the game. But you better treat it like a business. Because the promoter handing you a contract sure will.

Cliff Notes:

He talks about how sponsors have to pay a sponsor fee. How it increased from $50k to $100k.

How corner men and trainers basically have to pay their own way.

At XMas fighters used to get gifts like bottom of the line iPods, but now they get gift certificates to the UFC store that they have to use in one day.

And how former fighters can''t really express how they feel because they'd be labeled a loser, coward, etc.


Edited by PhillyzPhan - 2/17/14 at 7:29pm
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Based off cliff notes, nothing really surprises me. Where the UFC has been, where it's at, and where it's going is a very delicate process. I wouldn't be surprised to see the UFC flame out to be honest. I pray it doesn't, but the world of MMA is just so volatile. So many faucets involved, so many people involved. So many competing interests. I do think Dana oversteps his bounds at times but overall I do believe he has the best interest of the sport in mind.

 

On an unrelated note, I also fear that I'll get bored with MMA at some point. These guys are just so skilled that once they reach a certain level, they match and they basically neutralize their skills and strengths. Then you add in the fact that many of the champs now fight not to lose.

 

I miss the hunger in fighters, the raw drive to go out there and just lay it on the line resulting in spectacular theater. Once they reach the big show, you see less risk-taking. Intelligent of course, but the product suffers. I sure do miss the WEC days. That was must-see television. The sport is evolving though and more money is on the line so I understand that we will probably never see the PRIDE and WEC type shows. Where fighters went out there with a different mentality.

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If they want the top fighters to go all out and take risk I think they have to start guaranteeing contracts. Just look at Overeem's last fight. He was on a losing streak and in danger of getting cut if he lost, so he played it safe. 

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Yup, it's the nature of the beast. With the sport growing and evolving, I don't expect the fighters to fight the same way they did when they were first making their way into the sport and up the food chain.

 

With guys like Jon Jones, Pettis and Cain etc., I still have faith that we can still get great shows at the highest level. I do believe the point system needs to be looked at and somehow tweaked so that we get more action and less stalling/grinding. I believe that would do a lot to ensure decent shows on every card. I don't have any ideas but I'd hope someone out there does. Something I've always wanted though, was a smaller cage. Obviously not that much smaller since there's HW's but just a tad bit smaller.

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I've lost a lot of interest in mma around a year ago. Too many ufc events with fights I don't care about. I think this is close to as popular as the sport will get.

I miss the Pride Grand Prixs so much. They were epic and exciting. I miss all of it. The awesome female ring announcer, huge arenas, big entrances, the ring, the confetti for the winner. The ufc presentation isn't as nice.

The only division I care about right now is lightweight because it's so stacked and the matchups are good.
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Yeah I have lost a lot of interest in MMA. Japanese MMA is on life support, there is no 2nd big show (Bellator doesn't have enough big fights), women fights are whack, and every card is watered down now.

The UFC has probably peaked. Unless they get a huge mainstream superstar I don't see them getting another bump.

But most important, Quarry comments prove once again, then UFC fighters need to form a union and negotiate a CBA
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I think the UFC is slipping somewhat. They've watered down the product by having so many events. Ton of unavoidable injuries are reaping havoc on the cards too. You can't afford to have guys like Pettis constantly sidelined, or have main/co-events chopping and changing all the while.

Plus you got all this behind the scenes **** coming out in the press and a loose canon for a president. Things are just looking sloppy at the moment.

They've come a long way but i think they need to make changes. One of the main ones being the pay. They're trying to crack into soccer, NFL, NBA levels of popularity/viewership but there's only a tiny percentage of fighters who are seeing that kind of money.
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Amen to all your statements.

^^The question is who will form and lead this union. It has to be someone well-known, respected, and active in the ufc. Whoever that person is, he will surely suffer from uncle dana's wrath. I don't really like jon jones but he and gsp(although not active at present) are the only fighters I see who can do that.

Meanwhile, other mma organizations should capitalize (not sure if this is the right term) from all the recent negative news from the ufc. Better management to their fighters, better pay, overall better treatment than the ufc. Considering the popularity of other organizations, I doubt they can do better than the ufc in paying its fighters. They need a 'fertita brothers' type backup for that.

Someone mentioned about champions playing safe nowadays. Now that you mentioned it, I realized that the last fights I actually enjoyed were non-title fights. And some fighters I look forward to watching are not currently holding a title. One fight I'm really excited to watch would be cerrone vs barboza.

As for the number of events they are doing, I think that is the effect of the ufc expanding, and in the process signing more fighters. If they are to compress these lesser known fighters to fight in 1-2 events per month, imagine how long we will wait before we can watch the main event.
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Not a current fighter but I think Randy Couture would be good to lead a union. But Jon Jones would be a good candidate too. Jon does what's best for him, not whats best for UFC. For instance, he refused to fight Sonnen on short notice. The UFC has been pushing their headphones by Monster that you see a bunch of fighters wearing to the octagon and after the fights while being interviewed by Rogan, so he posts a picture of him wearing Beats.

 

And Bellator would be the perfect company to capitalize on all of the recent negative news but because of some of his own wrong doing and because of what Dana feeds the media and fans, Bjorn is looked at as shady. And they have Viacom a multi-billion dollar company backing them. 

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Agree with most of what was said:

Watered down product is a massive issue.

Lack of theatre compared to PRIDE makes me not want to tune in to anything that doesn't feature a fighter I like/follow.


I'm not really concerned with Dana's recent antics. Dude has always been a hot-head. He is just under a bigger microscope now with social media, MMA 'media', and the message board hardcores. He needs take it down a notch, but DW saying whatever he wants, whenever he wants is a reason the company is where it is at today.

I just don't see a union happening for the fighters. Someone like GSP needs to lead it and if he doesn't get the ball rolling soon, he may lose the power to change the landscape. (Couture is a solid choice, just don't know if he could get the backing needed while he is being exiled by ZUFFA.)

I just think there are WAY TOO many fighters in the UFC. With this new TV deal, a fan tuning into the FS! fights would be hard pressed to encounter the same fighter twice in a calendar year. It's hard to build and market stars when UFC fighters are a dime a dozen.
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