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post #2461 of 41029
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Originally Posted by QUIK View Post

Spider vs Bones is the greatest fight that never happened

Bones would've beat him.
post #2462 of 41029
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Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen View Post


Bones would've beat him.


I think it would have depended on what year they fought.

 

But yeah, I'd favor Jones in most of the the years.

 

Jones would probably get overpowered at HW tbh

post #2463 of 41029
Why does fight metric and the UFC website have differing significant strike numbers for the Jones vs Gus fight?


http://www.ufc.com/event/UFC165

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/4420


Weird...UFC uses fight metric as their official stat tracker, so why the disparity?



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Edited by SneakerHeathen - 4/28/14 at 7:19pm
post #2464 of 41029
Watch out for Doo-Ho Choi. Problem at 145, serious KO power. Just needs to stay healthy. He should be undefeated, many think he won a split loss to Kagiyama.
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post #2465 of 41029
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Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen View Post

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Originally Posted by QUIK View Post

Spider vs Bones is the greatest fight that never happened

Bones would've beat him.

Eh, Spider has embarrassed a few LHWs in his day.

Not that easy to call IMO.
post #2466 of 41029

Love Jon Jones.. but no way he competes in the HW division. He could probably beat the gatekeepers but no way he hangs with the top guys of that division.. I don't see him beating JDS.. and definitely wouldn't do anything to Cain.

post #2467 of 41029
That's a big step up in punching power. There's a lot of lhw's that hit like trucks, but hw's that weigh 15-30 pounds more hit like tanks. jones has shown he has a really good chin though.
post #2468 of 41029

Yeah fighters in the HW division hit harder but I don't think its that big of a difference. Can't find the article but it was on Yahoo about JBJ and his family and it stated he weighs around 230-235 lbs when he's not fighting. That's 5-10 lbs less than Cain, who doesn't cut at all. Give JBJ some time and he could definitely compete at HW.

post #2469 of 41029
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

Eh, Spider has embarrassed a few LHWs in his day.

Not that easy to call IMO.


Spider beat Forrest, Bonnar and Irvin at 205. Not exactly a murderers row.


None of whom have the wrestling ability or the hand-fighting ability "Bones" possesses.


4 out of 5 times I'd have to give it to Jones.
post #2470 of 41029
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Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen View Post

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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

Eh, Spider has embarrassed a few LHWs in his day.

Not that easy to call IMO.


Spider beat Forrest, Bonnar and Irvin at 205. Not exactly a murderers row.


None of whom have the wrestling ability or the hand-fighting ability "Bones" possesses.


4 out of 5 times I'd have to give it to Jones.

Note the word "embarrassed" in my original statement. Not "beat", but embarrassed.

Forrest was a champ. I was never a fan, but he was a champ.

Beat Shogun. "Beat" Rampage (I thought Q won, but the leg kicks were MEAN).

And Anderson embarrassed him.

All good yo. I'm not one for predictions and ratios/percentages for fights that won't happen anyway. I don't even do that **** for fights that ARE happening. HA!
post #2471 of 41029
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

Note the word "embarrassed" in my original statement. Not "beat", but embarrassed.

Forrest was a champ. I was never a fan, but he was a champ.

Beat Shogun. "Beat" Rampage (I thought Q won, but the leg kicks were MEAN).

And Anderson embarrassed him.

All good yo. I'm not one for predictions and ratios/percentages for fights that won't happen anyway. I don't even do that **** for fights that ARE happening. HA!


You're entitled to your opinion but everything I've seen with Spider against wrestlers like Chael and Weidman leads me to believe he'd have a very difficult time with "Bones".

That's where hand-fighting comes into play, and I have a hard time believing that Spider could do anything to stop "Bones" from maintaining control over him.


Forrest is a completely different type of fighter than Jones, apples to oranges here sir. Could care less if he beat Shogun or Rampage because neither are remotely similar to "Bones" and neither is he.


But hey you're entitled to your opinion, I just think it's an off-base one.
Edited by SneakerHeathen - 4/29/14 at 6:33pm
post #2472 of 41029
Thread Starter 

A Jones/Spider fight I believe would look like when Sonnen was on top of Silva, except instead of patty cake shots from Sonnen imagine Jones reigning down those elbows :x

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^ Yeah Jones would easily take Silva down but idk if he would. Jones comes off as the kind of guy that likes to beat fighters at what they do best. Most people thought he would stand with Sonnen but he took him down. They thought he would take down Glover and use his reach, but he stood with him.

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Thread Starter 

True. Jones however is one of the smartest fighters in the UFC. In a 5 round fight best believe he'd go for takedowns when they presented themselves

post #2475 of 41029
If it was a boxing/muay thai match, Silva (in his prime) would win. If it is mma then Jones would have a higher chance of winning. No need for long explanations hahaha.

Meanwhile Cain and Werdum are set to coach TUF: Latin America. If both are healthy then we can also see them fight by November. My body is ready.
post #2476 of 41029
Nters are obsessed with raw strength. See: silverback threads

Bones isnt gettin washed by anyoneee in the UFC period. His frame is jus too big. If he fought cain i say hed be within ten pounds of dude and have thee reach and quickness on his side.

If he could once jus fight the most effective fight instead of always tryna beat his opponents at their own game. . he certaintly could lose too but there is no opponent i wouldnt give him a coin flippin chance against
post #2477 of 41029

This dude Bones. :lol

 

 

post #2478 of 41029
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Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen View Post



You're entitled to your opinion but everything I've seen with Spider against wrestlers like Chael and Weidman leads me to believe he'd have a very difficult time with "Bones".

That's where hand-fighting comes into play, and I have a hard time believing that Spider could do anything to stop "Bones" from maintaining control over him.


Forrest is a completely different type of fighter than Jones, apples to oranges here sir. Could care less if he beat Shogun or Rampage because neither are remotely similar to "Bones" and neither is he.


But hey you're entitled to your opinion, I just think it's an off-base one.

What's funny about your response is...I never gave an opinion.

Only a fact. I'm dealing in reality, not fantasy.

Spider has embarrassed several LHWs. Any as good as Jones? Of course not. But Spider hasn't exactly struggled with anyone in that weight class either.

Carry on.
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Something about @SneakerHeathen saying 3 different dudes nicknames without quotations (Spider, Shogun, Rampage) and then quoting "Bones" every time is really bothering me. :lol 

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I think the only shot Anderson would have had was to submit Bones. Andy came up from WW, he sets into the cage at 195, he is outta shape when he fights at LHW.

Bones is a HW wit twig legs. If he gets a hold of Anderson he could man handle him

Buuuuuuutttttttt the only fighters that have been successful fighting much better guys is the very skilled ones. Anderson would have a shot because he is dangerous for at 25 mins. But Bones would be the favorite
post #2481 of 41029
Having trouble embedding....

http://www.mmaweekly.com/countdown-to-eddie-alvarez-vs-michael-chandler-pay-per-view

I think the narrator is the same dude from Gangland!
Edited by illphillip - 4/30/14 at 11:22am
post #2482 of 41029

Silva would have a chance against JBJ. JBJ sometimes leaves himself open for subs on the ground like he did with Belfort. And sometimes he's wild and sloppy with his punches and kicks. Which is something you don't wanna do with Silva cause he's a counter puncher. But the weight difference between Silva and JBJ isn't big at all. It was GSP that said during his offseason he weighs 195 lbs max while Silva balloons up to 230-235 lbs. 

post #2483 of 41029

Would like to see Jon Jones go back to his roots and utilize more greco roman. I think he could finish fights faster if he utilized it more and surprising to see it disapear with freaking greg jackson as his coach. When he first came into the UFC he abusing guys with his greco roman.

post #2484 of 41029
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Originally Posted by JEWSEEJAY View Post

Nters are obsessed with raw strength. See: silverback threads

Bones isnt gettin washed by anyoneee in the UFC period. His frame is jus too big. If he fought cain i say hed be within ten pounds of dude and have thee reach and quickness on his side.

If he could once jus fight the most effective fight instead of always tryna beat his opponents at their own game. . he certaintly could lose too but there is no opponent i wouldnt give him a coin flippin chance against


it's not just strength with Cain though, thats not what we're saying. It's his ability to pressure and keep a demon-like pace for 5 rounds. It's his ability as a superior hand-fighter and wrestler that would give him the advantage in the fight.


Yes is "Bones" the overall more versatile fighter? Yes, but Cain's combination of skills make him an extremely tough out for anyone who faces him, including Jones.
post #2485 of 41029
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Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11 View Post

Something about @SneakerHeathen
 saying 3 different dudes nicknames without quotations (Spider, Shogun, Rampage) and then quoting "Bones" every time is really bothering me. laugh.gif  


laugh.gif IDK why I do that.


roll.gif
post #2486 of 41029
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

What's funny about your response is...I never gave an opinion.

Only a fact. I'm dealing in reality, not fantasy.

Spider has embarrassed several LHWs. Any as good as Jones? Of course not. But Spider hasn't exactly struggled with anyone in that weight class either.

Carry on.


What I'm saying is that your comparison is off-base, you comparing Silva beating Forrest as a factor in fighting Jones is like comparing apples to oranges.


Forrest and Jones are not comparable. And saying he hasn't exactly struggled with anyone in that weight class when those guys are Irvin, Bonnar and Forrest, it's like c'mon....

It wasn't like he was taking on the divisions best aside from Griffin.
post #2487 of 41029
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Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11 View Post

This dude Bones. laugh.gif





Nah that ain't even funny though, he does that in every fight and that crap needs to stop.


I know small joint manipulation isn't allowed but if he's going to make a mockery of the rules I hope someone goes in there and snaps his finger in half.
Edited by SneakerHeathen - 4/30/14 at 1:58pm
post #2488 of 41029
Yeah Bones needs to chill the the open palm. He does it purposely because Jackson teaches his fighters to to that. Once your opponent gets poked; one it will be deemed accidental so you can get away with it a couple time. Second the dude will see hesitant to jump in because he will be scared to get poked again. mean.gif

Greg Jackson is know to this "legal but dirty" crap. The baby oil trick, foot stomps, wrench the arms to pop the shoulder, how to target the head with an elbow to break and orbital, how to effectively cut your opponent to get a stoppage.

Big Jon is the only ref that warns fighters not to do it.
post #2489 of 41029
As much as i love him, the moment Anderson lost to Weidman i could no longer make a case for him against Jones.

Since then Anderson has broken his leg and Jones has proved he can beat dangerous/powerful strikers.
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