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You kind of contradict yourself in the first sentence, lol. Is the UFC really in trouble if they are good financially? I know you say "they hit a wall", which could be true in certain aspects (like watered down cards, the superstars who are point-fighting, TRT scandal), but financially I think they are pretty stable and I don't see that changing even with all of the issues you've mentioned.

 

The points you bring up are all pretty valid in one way or another, however they don't spell out doom for the UFC in my opinion. More so, they are perhaps getting stagnant. I brought this up a while ago but the appeal seems to be declining a bit (to me at least). However that doesn't mean that the UFC is in trouble by any means. I mean, define "trouble".

 

Some of the points you bring up are reaching a bit.

 

-The UFC didn't have to milk Anderson Silva as the GOAT, he was the GOAT and the UFC actually got upset with Silva for a while for acting like a jackass. They were about to part ways with him after the Maia fight.

 

-Jon Jones being a diva really doesn't effect his drawing power at all so the UFC shouldn't really care about that. Floyd is a diva and many people probably watch him to lose... there's nothing wrong with being a diva and/or villain type character.

 

-Who cares if Cain isn't charismatic? He's still going to make the company a **** load of money anytime he enters the cage. Some fighters' games speak for them.

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Miesha probably tastes sweet like a cupcake. I always notice her impressive obliques.
Meeting her on Monday.

Edit: I'll let you know.
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Ask her if she likes Asian dudes and to send me a used pair of her training shorts and bra.
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Is UFC in trouble? I don't think so. At least not now. Should they be a worried about the future? Yeah but every company is. They're going through the same thing the NBA did after Jordan retired. New stars have to come in and grab the attention of fans.

 

Something they should think about is ppv buys. Not counting the numbers for UFC 173 which haven't been released yet; many are predicting they will be low, even around Bellator ppv numbers; but counting the 4 ppvs (169-172) this year, the total ppv buys are almost equal to just UFC 168. Maybe the weak numbers are due to over saturation and weak cards, or maybe they're just losing fans. Thats for them to figure out.

 

 

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Meeting her on Monday.

Edit: I'll let you know.

Maybe you could ask her why she left or was kicked out of Team Alpha Male. There's been a lot of rumors about it. It even came back up again after the Caraway fish hooking incident. I think Urijah claimed it was about money, others said it was about something shady/dirty Caraway did, but Miesha hasn't talked about it.


Edited by PhillyzPhan - 6/13/14 at 10:36am
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Nah not trouble like Dana is going to have to declare bankruptcy. But to go to my points, there's no chance Dana was kicking Silva out after his antics against Maia. the biggest and most hyped rivalries for the last couple years have centered around Silva/Sonnen and Dos Santos/Velasquez imo. they spent an ungodly amount of time hyping it up (they hype everything up but this was to a different level). 

 

You can't script a worse outcome. Silva beats Sonnen just to get his *** handed twice. Velasquez didn't just beat Dos Santos, he mauled him for 25 minutes and I practically held him upright so he could keep punching him in the head. 

 

Jon Jones shouldn't be the Floyd Mayweather type though. Even with that DUI, he's never pretended to be anything but a good dude-- like when he talked about narc-ing on classmates for having marijuana, etc. He was sponsored by the UFC. he can't be their "heel" draw like Sonnen was.... Mayweather is a diff situation. I think the UFC doesn't want to end up like boxing. 

 

Cain not being charismatic is a big deal because they desperately covet the mexican fanbase. Just cause he has Brown Pride written on his chest, Dos Santos would have been the preferred heavyweight champion -- what u expect in one, a guy with 1 punch knock out power and knocks people left and right. With Huerta and Pettis they sorta hoped to break into that Mexican demographic but Huerta didn't have the goods and Pettis just is always injured. 

 

I should probably reword it and say... nah the UFC isn't in trouble but it surely isn't "the fastest growing sport in the world" and on par with soccer as Dana said it would be. The most interesting fights are the little guys and the girls (imo) and even then I'm not that excited. 

 

And sure every sport has to deal with their MJs and Gretzgy's retiring but to have Silva, GSP, Sonnen, Cruz (to a certain extent), Pettis, Barao, etc., and Liddell/Couture/Hughes era also long gone... it's having several franchise players retire in a sport that isn't even a team game. Are they really going to do Penn v. Edgar 4??? Nobody wants to see that.  

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Idk about Penn v Edgar 4 but the 3rd fight is happening the day after the Weidman v Machida card. But if Penn wins, I could see them trying to make a 4th fight.

 

Pettis could have probably fought by the end of summer but they booked him and Melendez to do TUF pushing their fight back to Nov/Dec. And they're using Pettis and his brother to get in to Puerto Rico. It was a few months ago that they did some kind of conference down there. The plan right now is for them to have a card in PR in 2015 with Pettis headlining it.

 

Having Jones as a "heel" isn't necessarily a bad thing. You're gonna have people that like him so they'll pay to watch him fight. But then you'll have people that hate him, so they'll watch and hope that they see him lose. Same thing happened with Silva and GSP to  extent at the end of his run when ppl we're getting fed up with him not finishing fights and wanted to see him lose. UFC fans are just like most fans here in the US. We love cheering for the underdog or Cinderella. But when Cinderella becomes the champ, fans start looking for another underdog to root for.

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 There's an entire generation of future fighters that grew up training MMA rather than individual arts like muay thai, boxing, wrestling, etc that is now just starting to enter the octagon. MMA has a bright future.

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 There's an entire generation of future fighters that grew up training MMA rather than individual arts like muay thai, boxing, wrestling, etc that is now just starting to enter the octagon. MMA has a bright future.

sure, the next generation of fighters.... but the ufc is practically a monopoly, the leadership is now kinda under question, dana's at odds sometimes with the state commissions, etc. , etc. and i think it has peaked. i could be totally wrong and the ufc might become the next NFL but i think it goes the way of boxing with a dash of pro wrestling than a sport to rival the NFL and soccer 

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sure, the next generation of fighters.... but the ufc is practically a monopoly, the leadership is now kinda under question, dana's at odds sometimes with the state commissions, etc. , etc. and i think it has peaked. i could be totally wrong and the ufc might become the next NFL but i think it goes the way of boxing with a dash of pro wrestling than a sport to rival the NFL and soccer 

Yeah a lot of casual fans have lost interest as the early generation of fighters have started to retire.
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Miesha probably tastes sweet like a cupcake. I always notice her impressive obliques.
Meeting her on Monday.

Edit: I'll let you know.

Smell her for me.
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 There's an entire generation of future fighters that grew up training MMA rather than individual arts like muay thai, boxing, wrestling, etc that is now just starting to enter the octagon. MMA has a bright future.

I'm too hungover to read that whole last page, but this statement is the truth. Little rugrats running around my gym all the time hitting pads, learninh BJJ, geeking out over UFC. The sport has a growing younger fan base. Compare that to something like baseball, now that sport is in trouble...

Tonight:

DJ by decision
T-Wood by TKO
Bader by decision
Schaub by decision
OSP by submission
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post #2922 of 41029
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The prelims are on FX just FYI, not really sure if worth watching. I will check for the Seraphian v Japanese dude though

 

In the Woodley v Rory fight, it'll be interesting to see how each guy approaches. Will they fight safe knowing that they have a long shot at getting a title shot before Matt Brown and Robbie Lawler? Or will Woodley and Rory go for broke in hopes to impress Dana and leap frog into a title shot.

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I think Rory/Woodley should go for broke. If Lawler wins, they're not gonna leap frog him into a title shot, but if Matt Brown beats Lawler there's a good chance they could get a shot over him. For Matt Brown to get the title shot I think he would have to completely dominate Lawler and have a snoozefest between Rory/Woodley.

 

Thanks for the FX heads up.


Edited by PhillyzPhan - 6/14/14 at 11:14am
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I'm too hungover to read that whole last page, but this statement is the truth. Little rugrats running around my gym all the time hitting pads, learninh BJJ, geeking out over UFC. The sport has a growing younger fan base. Compare that to something like baseball, now that sport is in trouble...

Tonight:

DJ by decision
T-Wood by TKO
Bader by decision
Schaub by decision
OSP by submission
Mighty Mouse sub, Rory Mac decision, Bader KO, Arlovski KO, OSP KO.
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The prelims are on FX just FYI, not really sure if worth watching. I will check for the Seraphian v Japanese dude though

In the Woodley v Rory fight, it'll be interesting to see how each guy approaches. Will they fight safe knowing that they have a long shot at getting a title shot before Matt Brown and Robbie Lawler? Or will Woodley and Rory go for broke in hopes to impress Dana and leap frog into a title shot.
Underrated prelims. Tanaka sub, Bang decision, Easton snaps his 3-fight losing streak with a KO, and Kunimoto by decision.
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I think Rory/Woodley should go for broke. If Lawler wins, they're not gonna leap frog him into a title shot, but if Matt Brown beats Lawler there's a good chance they could get a shot over him. For Matt Brown to get the title shot I think he would have to completely dominate Lawler and have a snoozefest between Rory/Woodley.
T-Wood is more likely to go for broke than Rory. Rory Mac has fought safe and it worked to perfection against Ellenberger, neutralizing power and jabbing from the outside.
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post #2925 of 41029

What time are the prelims on FX? My DVR guide thing says its 5-7. That seems kinda early for the east coast. What time is the ppv then?

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In the Rory/T-Wood fight, somebody needs to go for broke. They need to make an impression to get to the head of the line. I don't think 'going for broke' is in Rory's vocabulary, though. That Ellenberger fight was smart, but damn, it was boring as ****. If my guy Tyron starts throwing bombs, watch out.


As for prelims, I'm looking at Fight Pass at 7, FX at 8, PPV at 10. All East Coast time.
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We're going to get some clarity and answers after this PPV:

 

1. Demetrious Johnson is coming off 3 straight Fox headlines, has he created an apparent fan base with the casuals? He now graduates to headline a PPV, how many buys will we see?

 

2. How much does the world care about the 125 pound division in general...

post #2928 of 41029

Thanks. For some reason my dvr guide is saying its on now. 

 

Most of what I'm hearing from everyone is that they're gonna either pass, stream, or wait to download. No one really is talking about buying the ppv. 

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I dunno, demetrius isn't really a star and I think the ratings for the fox shows have been ok. Not sure how many people see him headlining a ppv and say i'll buy it.
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DJ is headlining this PPV out of necessity, not because the UFC believe in him as a draw. With all the injuries to the other champs, the UFC can't afford to throw title fights on FOX right now.

Dude has the personality of a paper bag, no one outside of the typical hardcore cares that he is fighting tonight.
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DJ is headlining this PPV out of necessity, not because the UFC believe in him as a draw. With all the injuries to the other champs, the UFC can't afford to throw title fights on FOX right now.

Dude has the personality of a paper bag, no one outside of the typical hardcore cares that he is fighting tonight.


The reason DJ is headlining wasn't really the question, but I do agree. I'm just saying that we will see how much pull Johnson has built. I mean, if he can't draw.. and he's headlined 3 Fox cards... that's not good. That's what I was getting at

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The reason DJ is headlining wasn't really the question, but I do agree. I'm just saying that we will see how much pull Johnson has built. I mean, if he can't draw.. and he's headlined 3 Fox cards... that's not good. That's what I was getting at

Gotcha. That makes more sense. I don't see much intersection between the the PPV and FOX audiences though. I hope Dana and the boys don't have high expectations for this one.
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Gotcha. That makes more sense. I don't see much intersection between the the PPV and FOX audiences though. I hope Dana and the boys don't have high expectations for this one.


They know what's up lol

post #2934 of 41029

I think they're expecting really low numbers. Would explain why Dana's been making sure to talk about how he knows Bellator's real ppv numbers and how they didn't get 100k buys.

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Didn't help that the Chael fiasco cut down on any possible promo they were hoping to get.
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Honestly they did a terrible job of promoting this card. I didn't even know that Arlovski was returning tonight. 

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Any guesses on how long it takes for Schaub's or Andrei's jaw to give out?
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I'm unreasonably hyped for Arlovski's return...
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Big Brown? When did Schaub change his nickname?
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