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[RustyShackleford]

I think he's saying that the dude is mentally unstable, his action's are not excusable but when someone has psychological issues, its not "their fault".

People are quick to just say "oh that person's crazy" or a "psycho" and dismiss a real mental illness as fault of that person.

Like I said in the other thread. War Machine has had the option to get help for his mental help issues for years and has refused, or started for a short while and quit.

He celebrates his irrational behavior as doing "Alpha Male ****"

He knows he has mental health issues. Instead of dealing with them, he does nothing, explodes on people left and right, then plays the victim.

Dude is 32. He has had years to get his stuff together. He chooses not to.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

I'm not condoning anything hes done.  Honestly I don't know the backstory or much about him to begin with.

I'm offering up the idea that it isn't easy when someone has a no-**** mental illness to deal with.

And, newsflash, many people with mental illnesses like Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar disorder or many other mental issues also know that they should get help... Actually doing so is a whole new set of obstacles.

 

[flyknitlvr]

Okay humour me - what mental illness does he suffer from? Last I checked, a sh*tty childhood isn't a mental disorder.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Okay humour me - what mental illness does he suffer from? Last I checked, a sh*tty childhood isn't a mental disorder.

Dude, you really need to relax about what I'm saying.  I don't know his story.  But it is CLEAR that he has emotional and rage issues.  Whether or not those were aided by his "****** childhood" or not, I don't know. But those issues are undeniable based on how hes acted here and how hes acted in the past.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Okay humour me - what mental illness does he suffer from? Last I checked, a sh*tty childhood isn't a mental disorder.

I'm not sure. But he has talked about him being prescribed medication to even out his mood.

 

[maicolkickhead]

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You're saying we should feel bad for someone who did this to a woman?

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not just your average joe but hes a professional fighter. The *** whopping he gave that woman is unforgivable

 

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I did not read through this, and I honestly don't care to, but if somebody has a mental illness and refuses to take their medicine it is their fault. Not only are they a danger to themselves, but they are a danger to others as that picture proves. I don't know what is happening, but that person deserves to be detained for what they did, and should be their after if they refuse to take the proper medicine that would prevent this from happening in the future.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 if somebody has a mental illness and refuses to take their medicine it is their fault. 

That is absolutely not true.

 

[flyknitlvr]

I actually think you might be the one with a mental illness based on how you're defending dude.

18 broken bones.

Ruptured liver.

But let's blame mental illness.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

I actually think you might be the one with a mental illness based on how you're defending dude.

18 broken bones.

Ruptured liver.

But let's blame mental illness.

You apparently can't read.

I'm not defending HIM.  I'm trying to shed some light on some apparent ignorance that people have regarding mental illness.

You can't show me where I've said he shouldn't be punished, because I haven't.

In this situation he'll be ordered by a judge for psychiatric evaluation and likely will be forced to take his medication that he declined to take prior to.  Which is a good thing, because he obviously needs it.

Not sure why you're having such a hard time wrapping your head around the FACT that dude clearly needs professional psychiatric help.

 

[champcruthik]

I'm not condoning anything hes done.  Honestly I don't know the backstory or much about him to begin with.

I'm offering up the idea that it isn't easy when someone has a no-**** mental illness to deal with.

And, newsflash, many people with mental illnesses like Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar disorder or many other mental issues also know that they should get help... Actually doing so is a whole new set of obstacles.

fraij, people don't get it. I'm prefaced the whole discussion by saying first and foremost, nothing excuses War Machine's behavior and decision-making. I truly believe he's a sick individual and beyond rehabilitation. I'm not an expert but it would make sense if his irrational behavior stemmed from traumatic childhood episodes. Drug addict mother, father dying in your arms as you fail to resuscitate him with CPR at 13-years-old. That doesn't leave an impact or scar? Of course it's his choice to rise above and battle through those demons. And War Machine hasn't, instead he's gotten into trouble with the law, engaged in pornographic material, and worse, physically harmed ones he allegedly loved.

Okay humour me - what mental illness does he suffer from? Last I checked, a sh*tty childhood isn't a mental disorder.

So it's not possible to develop mental trauma from devastating childhood events?

I actually think you might be the one with a mental illness based on how you're defending dude.

18 broken bones.

Ruptured liver.

But let's blame mental illness.

Formulate a cohesive, intelligent argument without personal attacks. We won't have that in here.

Again, speaking for myself and perhaps fraij shares the same sentiments...I'm not defending his actions one bit, but I am sympathetic to his background and how it possibly led to his demise as a productive member of human society.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I actually think you might be the one with a mental illness based on how you're defending dude.


18 broken bones.


Ruptured liver.


But let's blame mental illness.

You apparently can't read.

I'm not defending HIM.  I'm trying to shed some light on some apparent ignorance that people have regarding mental illness.

You can't show me where I've said he shouldn't be punished, because I haven't.

In this situation he'll be ordered by a judge for psychiatric evaluation and likely will be forced to take his medication that he declined to take prior to.  Which is a good thing, because he obviously needs it.

Not sure why you're having such a hard time wrapping your head around the FACT that dude clearly needs professional psychiatric help.

He will be doing so in jail though.

And why can't you understand that HE KNOWS he needs help, he was on tough in 2007 he was admitted that. But refuses to get it because it views it as a waste of time, and a beta male activity.

His problem go beyond his childhood, or his anger problems. Dude celebrates cops getting killed, thinks men should rape their GFs and believes violence against stranger that piss you off should be cool.

 

[king of chicago]

Supposedly Gina is now signed to Bellator......huehuehue

 

[champcruthik]

He will be doing so in jail though.

And why can't you understand that HE KNOWS he needs help, he was on tough in 2007 he was admitted that. But refuses to get it because it views it as a waste of time, and a beta male activity.

His problem go beyond his childhood, or his anger problems. Dude celebrates cops getting killed, thinks men should rape their GFs and believes violence against stranger that piss you off should be cool.

Rehabilitation is not an easy road in any form. I want to liken it to drug addicts and alcoholics. Many recognize they have a problem and need or try to seek help, why isn't it easier to correct the problem?

 

[shogun]

 if somebody has a mental illness and refuses to take their medicine it is their fault. 

That is absolutely not true.

I wouldn't want that person around me then. I wouldn't feel safe. I've had to study mental illness in my classes and know it's complicated. I've had a friend tell me he doesn't like taking his medicine because it made him too numb but he only suffers from anxiety. A dangerous guy like war machine not wanting treatment was trouble for everyone.

 

[champcruthik]

I wouldn't want that person around me then. I wouldn't feel safe. I've had to study mental illness in my classes and know it's complicated. I've had a friend tell me he doesn't like taking his medicine because it made him too numb but he only suffers from anxiety. A dangerous guy like war machine not wanting treatment was trouble for everyone.

What if it was a family member?

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

I'm not condoning anything hes done.  Honestly I don't know the backstory or much about him to begin with.

I'm offering up the idea that it isn't easy when someone has a no-**** mental illness to deal with.

And, newsflash, many people with mental illnesses like Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar disorder or many other mental issues also know that they should get help... Actually doing so is a whole new set of obstacles.

fraij, people don't get it. I'm prefaced the whole discussion by saying first and foremost, nothing excuses War Machine's behavior and decision-making. I truly believe he's a sick individual and beyond rehabilitation. I'm not an expert but it would make sense if his irrational behavior stemmed from traumatic childhood episodes. Drug addict mother, father dying in your arms as you fail to resuscitate him with CPR at 13-years-old. That doesn't leave an impact or scar? Of course it's his choice to rise above and battle through those demons. And War Machine hasn't, instead he's gotten into trouble with the law, engaged in pornographic material, and worse, physically harmed ones he allegedly loved.

Yea, I was just trying to clarify for them what you meant about feeling empathy for the dude and got immediately dragged under water.

Some people have **** happen to them that makes them act a certain way.  It's not OKAY. But that is the way it is, and people don't seem to understand that.

 

 

I actually think you might be the one with a mental illness based on how you're defending dude.


18 broken bones.


Ruptured liver.


But let's blame mental illness.

You apparently can't read.

I'm not defending HIM.  I'm trying to shed some light on some apparent ignorance that people have regarding mental illness.

You can't show me where I've said he shouldn't be punished, because I haven't.

In this situation he'll be ordered by a judge for psychiatric evaluation and likely will be forced to take his medication that he declined to take prior to.  Which is a good thing, because he obviously needs it.

Not sure why you're having such a hard time wrapping your head around the FACT that dude clearly needs professional psychiatric help.

He will be doing so in jail though.

And why can't you understand that HE KNOWS he needs help, he was on tough in 2007 he was admitted that. But refuses to get it because it views it as a waste of time, and a beta male activity.

His problem go beyond his childhood, or his anger problems. Dude celebrates cops getting killed, thinks men should rape their GFs and believes violence against stranger that piss you off should be cool.

I realize that he knows that... I've seen FIRST HAND how someone with a mental illness, Schizophrenia, can debilitate a person... And that person KNOWS they need help, they KNOW something is wrong but a DIRECT side effect of their illness doesn't allow them to commit to getting medical treatment.

I've watched a family member of mine who grew up 100 yds up the road from me deal with this.  He knows that he should take medication.  He knows that he should go talk to a Psychiatrist, but his disease is keeping him from doing that.  Nothing that he did in his life caused him to develop schizophrenia.  For some reason when he was between 21-23, he developed it and his entire life changed.  The lives of his whole family changed... I look at this stuff a bit differently now... The kid that I grew up beating up on the basketball court grew up, got way better than I was at basketball, then was struck with this awful break and now spends his time just trying to keep his mind busy so that he doesn't have a breakdown.

Go over to NT General if you want to find some guys that thinks its cool when a cop gets killed... But those things you list are just signs that the man is mentally unstable.

I'm not sure where my position on this has gotten misconstrued to where a couple of you think that I'm giving him a pass...  Hes in the courts hands now and they'll do their Psych evaluation and determine that he either goes to Jail or goes to the Mental Health ward of a hospital.  Which is what absolutely should be happening.

 

[shogun]

I wouldn't want that person around me then. I wouldn't feel safe. I've had to study mental illness in my classes and know it's complicated. I've had a friend tell me he doesn't like taking his medicine because it made him too numb but he only suffers from anxiety. A dangerous guy like war machine not wanting treatment was trouble for everyone.

What if it was a family member?

If my brother suffered trauma in his life and has a history of violence and doesn't want to get help, then no I wouldn't want him around. I'd want him put in a facility. I don't want to get a phone call one day saying he hurt someone real bad or getting hurt myself. Family member or close friend, i'd rather them be somewhere where they can't hurt anyone.

 

[champcruthik]

If my brother suffered trauma in his life and has a history of violence and doesn't want to get help, then no I wouldn't want him around. I'd want him put in a facility. I don't want to get a phone call one day saying he hurt someone real bad or getting hurt myself. Family member or close friend, i'd rather them be somewhere where they can't hurt anyone.

Call me overly loyal and even potentially indirectly enabling, but I'd support and defend family until the bitter end.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I believe has War Machine mental issues are depressions and anxiety. Not enough for him not to be held legally responsible for his actions.

He goes on and off his meds. When he is on his meds he always claims he is feeling better. But choses to go off them

I won't compare his situation to an alcoholic or drug addict. More like an obese person. Lot of obese people become that was because of years on learning bad habits, usually from their parents. I can feel bad for someone who ends up in that state. But still feel that person is responsible to get their **** together and get healthy as an adult.

 

[shogun]

It's situations like that where you have to try and be unbiased. Something horrible happens, I'd have that on my conscience forever.

 

[champcruthik]

I believe has War Machine mental issues are depressions and anxiety. Not enough for him not to be held legally responsible for his actions.

He goes on and off his meds. When he is on his meds he always claims he is feeling better. But choses to go off them

I won't compare his situation to an alcoholic or drug addict. More like an obese person. Lot of obese people become that was because of years on learning bad habits, usually from their parents. I can feel bad for someone who ends up in that state. But still feel that person is responsible to get their **** together and get healthy as an adult.

I'll even go a step further. We both agree it's likely WM struggles and suffers from mental issues. He should still be legally responsible for all his actions, past and present.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

I also agree that he should be held legally responsible. I was never trying to insinuate otherwise.

 

[jaysfiend23]

I can't bealive Mack wasn't killed by war machine the story she told about that night was unreal, he had to be hopped up on some drugs to basically

 

[champcruthik]

I also agree that he should be held legally responsible. I was never trying to insinuate otherwise.

Copy, we're on the same page.

I can't bealive Mack wasn't killed by war machine the story she told about that night was unreal, he had to be hopped up on some drugs to basically

Imagine if his account of the story is true? Flying in to surprise your girl with an engagement ring, to find her in bed with another dude. And this isn't a normally built guy, mentally or physically, like you or I. This is a person that is troubled, sick, and has shown a horrendous history of assault, physical violence, and domestic abuse.