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I agree DC is gunn bring it
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Conner with the Blueprint these clowns are following.

I watched Bermudez talk to Helwani. It's like hip hop right now in that division. A lot of "journalists" are pushing these fighters to talk that ish to get those top fights and draw PPV dollars.

So predictions for Hunt/Werdum?

I like Hunt but he like most of the division can't really hang with the top dogs in the division (DC, Velazquez, Junior and lesser extent Werdum).
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Originally Posted by spiderjericho View Post

No way some All American is going to compete with an Olympian. DC's wrestling is crazy. His stand up is on point too but he does break his hand occasionally.

His issue is going to be the eye pokes/dirty strikes, reach advantage and possibly JBJ's cardio.

DC is also a hell of a grinder/dirty boxer lately. It should be a great fight. And one of those matchups where the hype is legitimate.
"Bones" biggest strengths are athleticism and adaptability. His fight game is so wide and diverse creating unpredictability. Jones dug deep against Gus for a controversial win, dominated Glover and neutralized his power, etc.

DC ain't the one, IMO. He isn't going to rag-doll "Bones" in my perspective. Not undermining his wrestling, just believe in Jones' fight intelligence and ability to gameplan for his opponent prior to a fight.
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Dog, I think I'm all in on Bermudez. He looks crazy explosive.. scary. Wrestling, striking, athleticism, youth, timing..

We shall see! 

Watching the Embedded episodes and Lamas calling Conor a piece of **** in Spanish had me dying
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post #5016 of 41029

I figured Melvin Guillard would've grown up by now but dude is still immature. First he said that he's an A list fighter, fighting in a B league. Now he missed weight for the second fight in a row so the title fight is now a non-title fight and he lost 50% of his purse.

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Rumble has the best shot against JJ. DC has a shot if JJ tries to play his game like he did with Glover. I thought JJ won against Gus clearly in the first fight and I don't see Gus doing better. 

 

Rumble with his head straight is imo the only dude that has a 50/50 shot at JJ.

 

Not sure about anyone else but I have about zero interest in watching Hunt fight Werdum.

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Originally Posted by bartleby929 View Post
 

Rumble has the best shot against JJ. DC has a shot if JJ tries to play his game like he did with Glover. I thought JJ won against Gus clearly in the first fight and I don't see Gus doing better. 

 

Rumble with his head straight is imo the only dude that has a 50/50 shot at JJ.

 

Not sure about anyone else but I have about zero interest in watching Hunt fight Werdum.

tbh, I hate to say it but I don't think Rumble has any shot at dethroning Bones. I see Bones winning any way he wants to

 

Champ, I don't wanna bet :lol but I'm hyped for that fight more than the main event

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Didn't JBJ say he was lackadaisical leading into the fight with Gustafson?

I felt like JBJ won the first fight. Gus definitely brought it to him and took him to the limit. Gus won two rounds for sure.

Also, JBJ's other unimpressive win was against Rashad Evans. I think DC is similar but with superior wrestling and possibly better striking. I agree that JBJ is definitely athletic and he definitely varies his attacks. His reach and dirty strikes probably play into it. He's definitely dominated his division. I'd still take JBJ against Davis, Cormier, Gustafson and Johnson. But anything is possible especially if the person can neutralize his wrestling or striking.
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You thought Bones' win over Evans was unimpressive? Evans won maybe one round at best, Bones thoroughly dominated him in every faucet. You have high standards bro, lol

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You thought Bones' win over Evans was unimpressive? Evans won maybe one round at best, Bones thoroughly dominated him in every faucet. You have high standards bro, lol
I'm saying though. Dude, "Bones" practically shut out Rashad on the scorecards. 49-46 at absolute best, and even that's being generous to "Sugar."
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Kinda drawing a blank on the Jones/Evans fight but didn't Jones dominate the entire fight? If I remember right, he completely shut down Rashad's wrestling and the one "takedown" Rashad got was really Jones pulling guard. 

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Kinda drawing a blank on the Jones/Evans fight but didn't Jones dominate the entire fight? If I remember right, he completely shut down Rashad's wrestling and the one "takedown" Rashad got was really Jones pulling guard. 

Yes man, he shut Evans out completely.

 

Jones hit him with several elbows standing. Evans almost got KO'd

 

Jones randomly pulls guard :lol I believe he did that against Shogun? Or Rampage too

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Werdum sub 2 (armbar). Ellenberger KO 1. "Bully" Lamas 29-28, but sub 2 (guillotine) if you really wanna impress me.

Garcia TKO 1. Montano sub 1 (RNC).
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Werdum is so damn nice and hespectful. Cain showed up to the media day on crutches and Werdum wanted to take a pic with him, said he follows Cain on IG but he won't follow back lulz

 

I honestly hope to see Hunt lose. I like him, as a person and a fighter, but look, we were hoping Werdum was at the top of his game second only to Cain. If Werdum can't put Hunt away coming off three weeks notice I'll be really disappointed.

 

The fighters have been unusually cordial to one another watching the Embedded series. Pretty interesting. Hunt and Werdum dancing together, Lamas and Bermudez hugging taking pics together. Lots of happiness all around in Mexico City.

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If Werdum wouldn't have pussied out against Overeem his win streak right now would be :eek

 

He actually probably won that fight against Reem too. Don't know why he was so scared of him doe to begin with

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Cause Reem was on horse meat back then and knocking dudes out left and right. Plus Werdum's striking was basic then. Idk who has been training him but they improved his striking big time.

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True. Reem was knockin cans out though, make no mistake about dat

 

Werdum's striking seemed to be evolving before that fight with Reem though. If I'm not mistaken, it was the fight against Big Foot where he showed a marked improvement in the stand up game

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His striking was improving then but he probably didn't think it was on par or anywhere near Reem's level back then.

 

But thinking about it, how did Strikeforce not survive or even crush UFC? They had Reem, Werdum, Fedor, Melendez, Hendo, Rousey, Rockhold, Jacare, Tate, Nick Diaz, etc.

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His striking was improving then but he probably didn't think it was on par or anywhere near Reem's level back then.

 

But thinking about it, how did Strikeforce not survive or even crush UFC? They had Reem, Werdum, Fedor, Melendez, Hendo, Rousey, Rockhold, Jacare, Tate, Nick Diaz, etc.

It was always a matter of "when are you heading to the UFC" with most of those names... even the names who had previously been in the UFC

 

But Strikeforce :hat

WEC:hat

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And Invicta.

UFC literally scavenged their straw weight division.
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"Bully" Lamas 29-28, but sub 2 (guillotine) if you really wanna impress me.

I literally laughed out loud laugh.gif
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Headed to B-Dubs in a few. Enjoy fight night, fellas.

Person I care about most tonight on the card is Jessica Eye. I still believe she can be a serious challenger to Ronda, got somewhat of a raw deal with Kaufman and Lex Davis.
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I literally laughed out loud laugh.gif
Not sure what's so funny, but do you.

And I did pick Davis over "Rumble" in B-More.
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I literally laughed out loud laugh.gif

What's so funny lol

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I found "if you really wanna impress me" amusing.

But I find predictions in general amusing.
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But who know what will happen when the cage door closes.

Because this.

Some crystal balls need a polish laugh.gif
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I found "if you really wanna impress me" amusing.

But I find predictions in general amusing.
Because this.

Some crystal balls need a polish laugh.gif
I find fight analysis enjoyable, dissecting the style matchups. I once did it for a living.

I've gone whole main cards correct (on record on NT), and also been awfully wrong with Shogun and "Bendo" recently. It's not for ego, but for entertainment.
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All good.

I love analysis.

I just don't find predictions and analysis to be one in the same.

And the wording of that prediction I found amusing.

Sadly, I won't know if you were right or wrong on any of this as I won't see any of the fights from the UFC card until I get to the office on Monday.

Not paying for the PPV and not leaving the crib so the best I've likely got tonight is Chandler/Brooks and.....yes....i may just watch Tito/Bonnar.
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

All good.

I love analysis.

I just don't find predictions and analysis to be one in the same.

And the wording of that prediction I found amusing.

Sadly, I won't know if you were right or wrong on any of this as I won't see any of the fights from the UFC card until I get to the office on Monday.

Not paying for the PPV and not leaving the crib so the best I've likely got tonight is Chandler/Brooks and.....yes....i may just watch Tito/Bonnar.
Agree to disagree, man.

A final prediction is the culmination of an individual's fight analysis. It's like buying your chick a cake and not putting the icing on top. I'm not afraid to be wrong nor do I believe I'm a know-it-all. Far from it.

The wording of that specific prediction was on my belief Lamas hasn't looked good since the Cub fight. He was opportunistic against Koch's slip, and didn't do anything to wow me against Hioki. Aldo and Dias bouts are self-explanatory. That's the one area I believe "Bully" can exploit Bermudez, submission game.
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