The MMA Thread: DON'T ASK 4 STREAMS & NO GIFS- UFC 300 ON NOW

I'm surprised they haven't turned 186 into a free card at this point.

If I remember correctly, a while back a PPV fell apart and they made it a freebie.

This needs to be.
 
I was pondering even completely skipping on it completely 

Just never a fan of DJ, but much respect to his skills and he seems like a stand up guy. Overall the 125 division never made an impression on me, I'm hoping Cuejdo becomes legit, I'd for sure watch a DJ/Cuejdo fight
 
I feel bad for him but it's partially the UFC. Like I've said before, they don't do a great enough job promoting/marketing their stars.

Most pro sports benefit from getting constant exposure though weekly/daily schedules shine, Fantasy leagues, 24/7 news cycle, ads, etc.

It's just not there for UFC fighters. Besides GSP, Brock, Tito and Randy, who were the biggest UFC stars? They make it so niche, instead focusing on the promotion, concept of fight nights instead of making a bigger deal out of the fighters and match ups.

I watched that HBO special for Mayweather/Paqiou (sp) and was hyped. Then we have all the main stream media coverage, etc.

The last fight kind of close to that was JBJ/DC. Connor/Aldo has a chance. Hopefully, there are commercials, a GREAT preview show and heavy media coverage.

Mighty Mouse doesn't have the swag of GSP or the mouth of a Sonnen/McGregor so UFC should be doing a better job of promoting his great fighting skills and resume'. They should've cancelled 186 after the Rampage issue and threw the title fight on the Fox card.
 
I gotta agree that its partially UFC's fault. UFC basically chooses who they want to make a star. Unless you're one of the chosen ones, its basically up to you to go out there and promote yourself. Its happening with Paige right now. Dana's talking about how she has the IT factor, how everyone in his dressing room wanted to meet and talk to her, and she already got the Reebok deal. The MMA media already covers her a lot so now its just up to the mainstream media to start covering her, which leads to bigger non-ufc things.
 
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I feel bad for him but it's partially the UFC. Like I've said before, they don't do a great enough job promoting/marketing their stars.

Most pro sports benefit from getting constant exposure though weekly/daily schedules shine, Fantasy leagues, 24/7 news cycle, ads, etc.

It's just not there for UFC fighters. Besides GSP, Brock, Tito and Randy, who were the biggest UFC stars? They make it so niche, instead focusing on the promotion, concept of fight nights instead of making a bigger deal out of the fighters and match ups.

I watched that HBO special for Mayweather/Paqiou (sp) and was hyped. Then we have all the main stream media coverage, etc.

The last fight kind of close to that was JBJ/DC. Connor/Aldo has a chance. Hopefully, there are commercials, a GREAT preview show and heavy media coverage.

Mighty Mouse doesn't have the swag of GSP or the mouth of a Sonnen/McGregor so UFC should be doing a better job of promoting his great fighting skills and resume'. They should've cancelled 186 after the Rampage issue and threw the title fight on the Fox card.
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I totally agree that the UFC doesn't do a adequate job marketing a number of their fighters

However, there's only so much excitement you'll drum up for a guy like DJ. You can't compare Mayweather/Pac, come on man 
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what is this "swag"

ufc needs to get that MSG event or even at a stadium and pack it with 50k
they dont "need' it but it would make it an event
 
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You can compare. Obviously not the same magnitude or importance to Boxing History. What are Money Mayweather, Bob Arum, Don King, etc but promoters selling these big boxing spectacles.

UFC just seems so low key about their cards and fighters.

You've got Jon Jones, Rhonda Rhousey, etc. Sell them. I get the importance of the "UFC Event" but the only importance is that with UFC you're getting the most elite fighters/athletes but the focus should be around the marquee fight not UFC 212 or whatever number.
 
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You can compare. Obviously not the same magnitude or importance to Boxing History. What are Money Mayweather, Bob Arum, Don King, etc but promoters selling these big boxing spectacles.

UFC just seems so low key about their cards and fighters.

You've got Jon Jones, Rhonda Rhousey, etc. Sell them. I get the importance of the "UFC Event" but the only importance is that with UFC you're getting the most elite fighters/athletes but the focus should be around the marquee fight not UFC 212 or whatever number.
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What other matches in recent history has boxing promoted to make us care, to add to your point
 
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Pretty much any Mayweather fight. Again, it's all about promotion. Dude has done more than 2 million buys fighting bums. Oscar De La Hoya, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Mayweather, Paqiou, etc have all been huge PPV sellers.

Now, I will admit Boxing has been in a decline since the 90s and loss of the "Heavyweight" (in comparison to when we had Moorer, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, etc) and they're trying to reestablish it through new media arrangements, etc.

UFC aka Dana/Silva/Shelby have control of the matchups. JBJ can't duck anyone (despite a few errors in judgment). He has to fight who they put in front of him. Not saying we can't get lame competition in some of the shallow divisions like MM's.

Like great, Vitor is going to fight Weidman Next month and Jones is going to fight Rumble.

Those fights are huge but I doubt it out sells JBJ/DC from January.
 
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^ Boxing is definitely NOT in a decline right now. Far from it.
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Compared to before? Yeah, it has. Its irrefutable.

I'm not saying it's dead. I'm saying it doesn't make the money it was making in the 70s, 80s, 90s. It doesn't have as many big names as it did during its hey day. And it's not in the American consciousness like before.

Heavyweight Boxing no longer dominates combat sports. No disrespect to Mr Wilder and Klitchko Bros.

Other than Floyd and Paquiao, no one is making head lines and commanding above 500K buy rates.

Boxing is just getting back to network TV.

It's not any different than me saying the UFC isn't the same since Brock, Iceman, GSP left and they got the Fox deal, began their international expansion and exploded to 40+ cards a year. The average UFC card used to do 400,000-500,000 and good cards used to get 750,000-1 million.
 
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Think you're arguing a different point now, spider

First your point was the UFC was not marketing DJ correctly, which is very true and a valid point

But where you're departing from the point is when you bring up Mayweather, Pac, Tyson, Oscar.. Come on man. Those guys are icons. The UFC does not sell overall like boxing sells overall. We all know that. No matter how the UFC markets DJ, he will NEVER sell big PPV's even by UFC standards

You're now comparing MMA PPV sales to Boxing's... Boxing obviously makes more money right now so it's a moot discussion
 
I dont want to appear that I'm debating or comparing MMA to Boxing.

The only reason why I bring up boxing is the promotion and marketing machine.

Prior to the Weidman loss, we'd all be in here saying Anderson was the GOAT. But it's not like they (the UFC) did a great job hyping him, Aldo, Barao, etc. Besides the Diaz, Weidman II and the Sonnen fights, Spider wasn't really hyped or promoted like the special attraction he was.

UFC has icons...maybe not by Boxing standards but JBJ, Cruz, Rhousey, Velazquez, etc. We got old guard veterans like Nog, Crocop, Page, Mir, etc. Up and Comers like PVZ, Connor, Laquinta, Holloway, etc. The cards and fights are there. Their promo is not.

Now obviously we can point to over saturation as one of their problems and maybe why they're not promoting the way they should.

Anyways, I have a feeling that the Page/Maldonado is going to be a turd.
 
i think maldonaldo beats rampage...

ufc and boxing are both sorta floating in that C-list sports 

i heard from some people that gsp is not coming back at all, except maybe as a chuck liddell/matt hughes ambassador role. 
 
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When I think of GSP's "swag", first thing that comes to mind is Jean Claude Van Damme dancing in "Kickboxer".

Good read from Jack Slack about Wing Chun.

I've practiced it and it's always served me well. Back in the day, you pretty much either boxed or did a traditional MA, and Wing Chun was widely considered the most combat effective at the time. I did both.

There are actually elements of Wing Chun used in Krav Maga, also touted for it's effectiveness.

Found the whole discrediting of the art itself bizarre. Same used to be done regarding Karate, and Lyoto changed all of that. Same with TKD and we see more of those kicks than ever in MMA.

The whole point of MMA is it's mixed and you can take positives from any of these traditional MAs

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/wing-chun-and-mma-controlling-the-center
 
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