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post #6361 of 34258
Mannnnnnnnn

When the failed test posted, everyone was screaming that CIR testing was needed.
Now Nevada who hasn't previously been using the testing, want us to buy that they ran the test "recently"

I'd have to actually see the paperwork and dates to believe. I am super skeptical, maybe I'm wrong but they got to SHOW me
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Very weird regardless, this whole situation

 

Kevin Lole just posted this article

 

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

 

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

 

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. " … The administration of epitestosterone is easily detected. It does not give a small increase that looks natural, but a huge peak that is very difficult to control. I have seen only one case of attempted masking with epitestosterone and it was readily detected.

 

"Epitestosterone is not metabolized rapidly and stays high. An epitestosterone urine sample does not look like the ones you sent me."

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada-commission--jon-jones-tests-results-show-no-signs-of-doping-013131428.html

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Ok.

I'll give them benefit of doubt.

Isn't CIR testing more effective in blood not Urine?
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Man, no more Edgar rematch title shots


What? Bro.....He's about the ONLY guy in the UFC other than Gustaffson that legitimately is due a rematch. Can't fault him because he's always in title contention, fam is a beast widit.

Frankie deserves a rematch



He could only do anything when Jose gassed

As insightful as that gif is.....

What do you do at FW? Let's say Conor loses. Who gets the shot? They're ALL rematches besides McGregor.

We all assume that if McGregor wins, he gets the shot, for beating the #10 guy in the division. If he loses, what then?

Mendes was KO'd CLEAN in his first fight with a McGregor. Reeled off a few wins. None as strong as Edgar's last. Was he any more deserving? Should he get another after a great fight where he lost 49-46 on all cards?

Is Lamas next up?

Who?
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Man, no more Edgar rematch title shots


What? Bro.....He's about the ONLY guy in the UFC other than Gustaffson that legitimately is due a rematch. Can't fault him because he's always in title contention, fam is a beast widit.

Frankie deserves a rematch



He could only do anything when Jose gassed

As insightful as that gif is.....

What do you do at FW? Let's say Conor loses. Who gets the shot? They're ALL rematches besides McGregor.

We all assume that if McGregor wins, he gets the shot, for beating the #10 guy in the division. If he loses, what then?

Mendes was KO'd CLEAN in his first fight with a McGregor. Reeled off a few wins. None as strong as Edgar's last. Was he any more deserving? Should he get another after a great fight where he lost 49-46 on all cards?

Is Lamas next up?

Who?


If Conor loses they should go with Frankie. But for some reason I think they may go with Aldo/Mendes 3. The 2nd fight was great and even up for fight of the year at the Fighters Only mma awards. So they could probably try to build a 3rd fight up using that. In the end whichever fight they think will make them the most money is the fight they'll make.

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Man, no more Edgar rematch title shots



What? Bro.....He's about the ONLY guy in the UFC other than Gustaffson that legitimately is due a rematch. Can't fault him because he's always in title contention, fam is a beast widit.


Frankie deserves a rematch





He could only do anything when Jose gassed


As insightful as that gif is.....


What do you do at FW? Let's say Conor loses. Who gets the shot? They're ALL rematches besides McGregor.


We all assume that if McGregor wins, he gets the shot, for beating the #10 guy in the division. If he loses, what then?


Mendes was KO'd CLEAN in his first fight with a McGregor. Reeled off a few wins. None as strong as Edgar's last. Was he any more deserving? Should he get another after a great fight where he lost 49-46 on all cards?


Is Lamas next up?


Who?


If Conor loses they should go with Frankie. But for some reason I think they may go with Aldo/Mendes 3. The 2nd fight was great and even up for fight of the year at the Fighters Only mma awards. So they could probably try to build a 3rd fight up using that. In the end whichever fight they think will make them the most money is the fight they'll make.

First I've heard of an Aldo/Mendes 3. Like I said, #2 was a great fight, but Aldo still won decisively.

And Mendes got a 2nd fight after being KOd in the first round in #1.

I don't see how you do that after Frankie just subbed Cub. And beat him decisively.

It's questionable enough to have Conor get the shot after beating Siver when Edgar just beat the supposed "#1 Contender". But I undertand the business behind it.

Given that, nothing would really surprise me either way.
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Man, no more Edgar rematch title shots



What? Bro.....He's about the ONLY guy in the UFC other than Gustaffson that legitimately is due a rematch. Can't fault him because he's always in title contention, fam is a beast widit.


Frankie deserves a rematch





He could only do anything when Jose gassed


As insightful as that gif is.....


What do you do at FW? Let's say Conor loses. Who gets the shot? They're ALL rematches besides McGregor.


We all assume that if McGregor wins, he gets the shot, for beating the #10 guy in the division. If he loses, what then?


Mendes was KO'd CLEAN in his first fight with a McGregor. Reeled off a few wins. None as strong as Edgar's last. Was he any more deserving? Should he get another after a great fight where he lost 49-46 on all cards?


Is Lamas next up?


Who?


If Conor loses they should go with Frankie. But for some reason I think they may go with Aldo/Mendes 3. The 2nd fight was great and even up for fight of the year at the Fighters Only mma awards. So they could probably try to build a 3rd fight up using that. In the end whichever fight they think will make them the most money is the fight they'll make.

First I've heard of an Aldo/Mendes 3. Like I said, #2 was a great fight, but Aldo still won decisively.

And Mendes got a 2nd fight after being KOd in the first round in #1.

I don't see how you do that after Frankie just subbed Cub. And beat him decisively.

It's questionable enough to have Conor get the shot after beating Siver when Edgar just beat the supposed "#1 Contender".

But given that, nothing would really surprise me either way.


I agree that Edgar deserves the next shot. Just saying that Conor is 1st in line and Mendes could very well be 2nd in line in front of Edgar. When it comes to making championship fights, money is more important than making fights that make sense. And Aldo/Mendes 3 probably makes more money than Aldo/Edgar 2.

 

Thats why Silva is next in line if he beats Diaz. And I wouldn't be shocked if Diaz gets a shot if he beats Silva. Both of those fights probably makes UFC more money than Jacare or Rockhold. And why we're getting Hendricks/Lawler 3. Its all about ppv buys and ticket sales.

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I get all that. But is Mendes really that much more of a "bankable" star?

Frankie's a former champ, perennial contender. TUF coach. Been in some epic fights. Finished Cub.

I personally don't see what makes Aldo/Mendes 3 any more appealing than Aldo/Edgar 2 COULD be. That's a toss up to me.

Mendes is 0-2 vs. Aldo. I think they can market and promote Edgar/Aldo 2 better at this point.

Lawler/Hendricks is 1-1. Silva is a legend and Nick is certainly a "bankable" fighter.

Those aren't quite the same. But the mystery begins to unfold next weekend.

And if the argument is that Edgar's someone not deserving or that he shouldn't get it because it's a "rematch", well that makes even less sense laugh.gif
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As insightful as that gif is.....

What do you do at FW? Let's say Conor loses. Who gets the shot? They're ALL rematches besides McGregor.

We all assume that if McGregor wins, he gets the shot, for beating the #10 guy in the division. If he loses, what then?

Mendes was KO'd CLEAN in his first fight with a McGregor. Reeled off a few wins. None as strong as Edgar's last. Was he any more deserving? Should he get another after a great fight where he lost 49-46 on all cards?

Is Lamas next up?

Who?
He also KO'd the #5 tho
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I'm aware.

I guess you're just going to ignore submitting the "#1 contender" in his last fight though laugh.gif

OK son. That's twice now laugh.gif

And I like Dustin but......really?
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post #6372 of 34258
You're a Frankie Edgar fan, I get it, we've argued about him before.

I'm not saying Conor is anymore deserving, it's just more interesting to me.

Frankie can fight Mendes or Lamas, at least that will cut down the number rematches in the division. Don't you want to see him fight someone else for a change? And if Edgar wins against Aldo? ANOTHER immediate rematch.

TBH I think Aldo is almost done with the division, and I think he'll go up to LW soon if he doesn't lose.
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All makes sense now.
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All makes sense now.

thats crazy lol ive never seen anyone or even him other than this pic drink coke to start hydration from the weight cut. wouldn't it be detrimental??? was it a subliminal jab ?

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You sure they did CIR Testing?

Those results take a week to return.

I AINT BUYIN THAT OUT THE BLUE CIR TESTING WAS DONE AND RESULTS CAME BACK IN A DAY. NOPE


The first three samples were taken on previous dates starting from early December.
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Mannnnnnnnn

When the failed test posted, everyone was screaming that CIR testing was needed.
Now Nevada who hasn't previously been using the testing, want us to buy that they ran the test "recently"

I'd have to actually see the paperwork and dates to believe. I am super skeptical, maybe I'm wrong but they got to SHOW me


Despite what the NSAC says I agree with your overall sentiment. They need to start making test results public. Can't be hosting PPVs featuring dopers and not letting the audience known until after the fact.
post #6378 of 34258
Go to Conte's twitter right now fams, he's updating on the sitution. Dont know how to quote tweets from phone.

But to paraphrase what he's saying. He believes the CIR testing on Jones samples are accurate HOWEVER he could have used far enough out from testing that his samples would be appear clean BUT his ratios would still be off.


Therefore unless year around testing is done there is no way to accurately assess if a fighter is on PEDs. As it stands there is no legitimate reason as to why Jones T/E ratios are below the normal range other than he was doping (and I'm not talking cocaine either).


Not saying Jones is a cheater but he damn sure looks like one regardless of the CIR results.
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All pro fighters take PED's whether we want to believe it or not.
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Looks like he was cycling peds and got caught. One of the reasons brian Stann retired because too many fighters are cycling peds and their isn't year around testing due to costs and the ufc won't cover it.
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thats crazy lol ive never seen anyone or even him other than this pic drink coke to start hydration from the weight cut. wouldn't it be detrimental??? was it a subliminal jab ?

Yep, damn right it was subliminal. One thing Chael is not is a dummy. He knew something and it was likely Jones drug use.
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Just watched pretty much every McGregor fight thanks to Youtube. Interesting rise to fame, his two losses which were submissions, he tapped super quick

 

He faced a handful of wrestlers, obviously not to the level they have in the UFC. Seemed to hold his own and get back to his feet for the most part. I guess he is almost big enough to fight at WW but he cuts down a lot to FW. They've always said he's a huge FW

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Just watched pretty much every McGregor fight thanks to Youtube. Interesting rise to fame, his two losses which were submissions, he tapped super quick

He faced a handful of wrestlers, obviously not to the level they have in the UFC. Seemed to hold his own and get back to his feet for the most part. I guess he is almost big enough to fight at WW but he cuts down a lot to FW. They've always said he's a huge FW


Dudes rise to fame is not organic. It has been brought on by superstar treatment by the UFC and various media outlets licking dudes taint.

I want to see him fight Frankie. Strong suspicion that Edgar would eat his food.
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Dudes rise to fame is not organic. It has been brought on by superstar treatment by the UFC and various media outlets licking dudes taint.

I want to see him fight Frankie. Strong suspicion that Edgar would eat his food.

How is it not organic??

The UFC is garbage at promoting fighters imo. Charisma and ability have put him in the position he's in. Same for every other star in the organisation.
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I explained why in the next sentence. Dude def gets a bigger push than most guys.
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Dude's talking skills are so overrated. He throws out some high school level insults and people go crazy over it.

Brock's UFC 100 post-fight interview > anything that leprachaun will ever say
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I enjoy Conor's bravado, Kanye shrug. For me personally, it's not the insults that "I go crazy over" 

 

He definitely is getting fast tracked in the company though, no doubt about it. The only thing he hasn't done is face a top level wrestler, the comp that he's faced otherwise has been pretty solid. I hope he keeps winning and can withstand wrestlers, his skill set is a thing of beauty IMO

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Dudes rise to fame is not organic. It has been brought on by superstar treatment by the UFC and various media outlets licking dudes taint.

I want to see him fight Frankie. Strong suspicion that Edgar would eat his food.

I like Conor but yeah I believe Frankie would beat that ***

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Just watched pretty much every McGregor fight thanks to Youtube. Interesting rise to fame, his two losses which were submissions, he tapped super quick

On that note....

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/sup-conor-joseph-duffy-signs-with-the-ufc

Joseph Duffy submitted Conor McGregor in under 40 seconds in 2010. Now he's signed with the UFC.
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You're a Frankie Edgar fan, I get it, we've argued about him before.

I'm not saying Conor is anymore deserving, it's just more interesting to me.

Frankie can fight Mendes or Lamas, at least that will cut down the number rematches in the division. Don't you want to see him fight someone else for a change? And if Edgar wins against Aldo? ANOTHER immediate rematch.

TBH I think Aldo is almost done with the division, and I think he'll go up to LW soon if he doesn't lose.

We've argued about him before? Yes, I'm a Frankie fan. But I'm a realist. Which is why I'm asking, if not him, who? Especially IF Conor loses.

I don't disagree about Conor being more interesting. And I haven't REALLY cried "travesty" about him getting the next shot. Because I get it. But it is definitely questionable.

I don't care about Frankie fighting someone else though. He's almost always going to be in against an elite fighter (Bj was once! HA!) so to me it will always be worth watching.

As for fighting Mendes or Lamas....the guy just beat the "#1 Contender" and now he's supposed to go backwards? Makes no sense. And if he fights Mendes, and Mendes wins, is another Aldo/Mendes fight any better? This fast? When Mendes is 0-2?

Makes more sense to me for Lamas and Mendes to fight each other but even then, you're limiting your potential title contenders and that pool is already shallow in the division.

But I agree with the last point and moreso, I WANT him to go to 155 already.
Edited by illphillip - 1/9/15 at 9:06am
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Thread Starter 

The weird this is, I decided to watch Conor's old fights because I wanted to see all of his losses. Random how they signed one of the dudes who beat him the same night :lol 

 

Can't wait to see Conor face the true bad ***** of the division. Even if Conor doesn't deserve the title shot over Frankie, I would still love to see Aldo/McGregor. Would be one of my most anticipated bouts

 

BTW, apparently Chael drank a Coke at the Shogun weigh in as well

 

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