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post #3481 of 34175
Dude, you're still harping on "streaks". It's like the UFC has brainwashed you.

I don't care about Frankie's best "streak" of wins vs. Cub's best "streak".

Frankie fought Hermes Franca, Sean Sherk (when those guys were still tough as hell), Matt Veach (who cares), BJ Penn, BJ Penn, Gray, Gray (undefeated at the time after beating Nate, Kenflo etc), Bendo, Bendo, Aldo in a row at one point.

How is that **** even comparable to Cub's resume? It's not. Win or lose, that list is nuts. And they were all tough fights.

Unfortunately, he got stuck in a ****** fight with BJ Penn in his last fight. So because of that, we all lose.

How about we just agree to disagree then and keep it moving?
post #3482 of 34175
Thread Starter 

Brainwashed? :lol you keep trying to find ways to make yourself look silly on this topic

 

I could say the same thing about your defense of Frankie's resume. 

post #3483 of 34175
Yes, brainwashed. You use the term "streak" while ignoring the level of competition like a UFC commentator.

You thinking I look silly is almost a compliment. I prefer to think alike with great minds.

How was I "defending" Frankie's resume? I just laid it out. Feel free to let me know what you disagree with.

I guess you're going to tell me Jeremy Stephens and Denis Siver somehow outweigh the majority of the names on that list?

Or we could just agree to disagree then and keep it moving?
post #3484 of 34175
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

Not to beat a dead horse, but I will anyway. I wasn't saying Frankie deserved a shot right now either. I'm saying Cub and Frankie should fight for that shot.

This all really started because Frankie is "ranked" above Cub. Frankie is easily the more accomplished fighter and has been for quite some time.

I don't know how you could be upset over him being ranked over a guy with Cub's resume. And I'm a big Cub fan. I almost bought that dude's ******* T Shirt for the gym. But come on....

Fact is, TUF really ****** this all up. BJ had no business fighting. Cub and Frankie should have fought instead of this season of TUF, which was boring as **** and we'd have a true #1 contender.

Crazy thing is, if BJ had won that fight, there was a good chance he'd be the one fighting Aldo next. Because I know the UFC wants some new blood in there.

Like you said, Conor about to be the next dude on a "streak" being pre-mauturely discussed for a title shot too. Clear as day.

******* AMPED for the card this weekend. Have a bottle of Glenlivet 18 that should be at my office on Friday that is going to get that WORK starting at 6pm on Saturday.

I'll drink to all of that seeing how you got some 18yr old single malt on deck smokin.giflaugh.gif

That Rumble tee is clean. I got the Blackzillian crew tee a while back. It's cool but the cut is tailored for jacked dudes which i am not tired.gif


Jones vs DC is huge. If Cormier comes in healthy Jones is in for a long night.
post #3485 of 34175
Since you mentioned it.....if I don't get that Glenlivet 18 by Friday, I'ma go up the block and pick up a Lagavulin 16 they have at my local spot.

Either way we gon' be NICE this Saturday smokin.gif

I'll find a way to work the GGG/Geale fight in there too.
post #3486 of 34175
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

Yes, brainwashed. You use the term "streak" while ignoring the level of competition like a UFC commentator.

You thinking I look silly is almost a compliment. I prefer to think alike with great minds.

How was I "defending" Frankie's resume? I just laid it out. Feel free to let me know what you disagree with.

I guess you're going to tell me Jeremy Stephens and Denis Siver somehow outweigh the majority of the names on that list?

Or we could just agree to disagree then and keep it moving?

Stephens, Siver, and Diamond (hell even Pearson) are as tough as you are going to find in the entire organization, if that's brainwashed talk, then that's you being silly. I'm not so much downplaying Frankie's resume as I'm saying you look silly by trying to throw shade on Cub's. 

 

I'm good to move on but quit with the brainwash talk :lol 

post #3487 of 34175
Tough? Yes.

Championship caliber? No.

And since we're talking about being #1 contender/fighting for the title, that's what you need to be.

9/10 names I listed that Frankie fought either held belts or fought for the title.

But "Stephens, Siver, and Diamond (hell even Pearson)" who combined have been in ZERO title fights, are comparable.

Those are comparable resumes to you.

And I'm "silly".

You got it son laugh.gif
Edited by illphillip - 7/24/14 at 1:33pm
post #3488 of 34175
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

Since you mentioned it.....if I don't get that Glenlivet 18 by Friday, I'ma go up the block and pick up a Lagavulin 16 they have at my local spot.

Either way we gon' be NICE this Saturday smokin.gif

I'll find a way to work the GGG/Geale fight in there too.

Lagavulin... There's one word i never expected to read on NT. Never mind the MMA thread laugh.gif
post #3489 of 34175
We out here!

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post #3490 of 34175
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

Tough? Yes.

Championship caliber? No.

And since we're talking about being #1 contender/fighting for the title, that's what you need to be.

8/10 names I listed that Frankie fought either held belts or fought for the title.

But "Stephens, Siver, and Diamond (hell even Pearson)" who combined have been in ZERO title fights, are comparable.

Those are comparable resumes to you.

And I'm "silly".

You got it son laugh.gif

When you fight in a loaded division, you're not going to be in many title fights, such is the case at FW (especially taking into account all the injuries). Back when Frankie was at LW, that division wasn't what it was now. LW became absurd around when the WEC was acquired. 

 

Beating a washed Penn, Oliveria and losing to Bendo (twice) and Aldo isn't exactly championship caliber (his last impressive win was 3 years ago against Maynard). If you want to continue to point to his days at LW, cool. I think Frankie is as good as there is in the UFC but I also feel the same way about Cub and I think his streak puts him right above Frankie.

 

Again, yes you are silly for poking holes in Cub's streak/resume.

post #3491 of 34175
FW is "loaded"? OK.

That's why the FORMER LW champ can drop down and get an immediate shot. And Aldo is fighting the same guy he fought 3 fights ago laugh.gif

FW NOT being loaded is the only reason Cub is even in line for a shot.

Like I said, Travis Browne fought Gonzaga, Barnett, Werdum and Overeem and still never got a shot.

Edgar fought 2 former champs, fresh off title fights, before he got a title shot.

Losing to Bendo and Aldo in close fights after being a champion isn't "championship caliber".

Fighting 9 of your last 11 fights against guys who've held belts.

I have no choice but to point to his LW days. He's only had 3 fights at FW. This amazing streak of Swanson's that you love to harp on.....does it cover more than 3 fights? So what's the problem?

Compared to a guy who lost in 8 seconds to the one champion he's fought in his career. The same guy Frankie fought to a decision.

His very impressive "streak" against zero championship caliber or even Top 5 fighters.

You got it son laugh.gif
Edited by illphillip - 7/24/14 at 2:47pm
post #3492 of 34175
FW is exciting but i wouldn't say it was stacked yet. Having such a dominant champion doesn't help in that regard.

155 and 170 are stacked. There's 4 or 5 guys in each of those divisions who are championship caliber right now.
post #3493 of 34175

 

Guessing that Diaz/Silva fight is gonna happen.

post #3494 of 34175
Seems like whenever Frankie is brought up, fights are going down in this thread... laugh.gif

Fell asleep on the couch 45 minutes ago, I wake up and Nick Diaz is an active UFC fighter again. pimp.gif

Hell of a nap.
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post #3495 of 34175
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post #3496 of 34175
Dude is smiling too.
post #3497 of 34175
Sucks Alexander is out I really wanted to see that rematch. But super excited for the dc/jones fight.
post #3498 of 34175
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by illphillip View Post

FW is "loaded"? OK.

That's why the FORMER LW champ can drop down and get an immediate shot. And Aldo is fighting the same guy he fought 3 fights ago laugh.gif

FW NOT being loaded is the only reason Cub is even in line for a shot.

Like I said, Travis Browne fought Gonzaga, Barnett, Werdum and Overeem and still never got a shot.

Edgar fought 2 former champs, fresh off title fights, before he got a title shot.

Losing to Bendo and Aldo in close fights after being a champion isn't "championship caliber".

Fighting 9 of your last 11 fights against guys who've held belts.

I have no choice but to point to his LW days. He's only had 3 fights at FW. This amazing streak of Swanson's that you love to harp on.....does it cover more than 3 fights? So what's the problem?

Compared to a guy who lost in 8 seconds to the one champion he's fought in his career. The same guy Frankie fought to a decision.

His very impressive "streak" against zero championship caliber or even Top 5 fighters.

You got it son laugh.gif


FW is definitely loaded. A lot can change in a year and a half for a division. When Frankie dropped down to FW, the division was in dire need of a shot in the arm, no doubt about it. Fast forward today and I have LW and WW as the top divisions along with FW. All three are loaded IMO.

 

There is no "problem" with Frankie at all, other than I believe that Cub has done more to be ranked ahead of him. That was the original point. Frankie is my #4. My problem is that you keep inventing new ways to create side arguments that are completely irrelevant or fictional. For instance, you saying I'm brainwashed and now you're saying that I've claimed Cub's streak is "amazing" which I've never stated. That's the problem. Again, you make yourself look silly.

 

Cub may not have taken out a top 5 guy, but Dustin is #6 and climbing and is poised to get a title shot in the near future. Stephens and Siver were both recently top 10. Again, you're silly for throwing shade on Cub's streak. You've been doing this since the very first post on the discussion. You've done nothing but try to belittle :lol

 

In the end this streak you're not impressed with has Cub ranked higher than Frankie in many people's eyes, not just mine. I respect anyone's opinion, including yours, vouching for Frankie to be ranked higher than Cub. I honestly do.

 

The problem comes when you try to make Cub's streak look ho-hum. The problem comes when you try to ride a high horse saying things like "well, you're the first person I've heard make this argument," therefore it must not be valid, when plenty of other folks see it the same way. The problem comes when you then backpedal seeing how incorrect you were and say "oh, well, I have a brain of my own I don't need other opinions to validate mine" not recognizing that the previous line or argument you just attempted to use goes against the latter. I was using my own brain too when I said I have Cub ahead :lol

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Robbie 48-47, Rumble KO 1, Bermudez 29-28, Punk sub 2, Masvidal 30-27.
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post #3500 of 34175
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Originally Posted by ChampCruThik View Post

Robbie 48-47, Rumble KO 1, Bermudez 29-28, Punk sub 2, Masvidal 30-27.

You were 100% last card :lol good ****

 

I don't really predict but damn what a card

post #3501 of 34175
Some of y'all need to stop with the PM's and throw down in here laugh.gif

Diaz back!

Would love to see him vs. Lombard. The build up to him vs. Bisping would be ridiculous as well if he's doing 185 with all the Silva talk.

Hyped for tomorrow. Good to see Punk back. War Rumble. I copped that T.

Hope my dude Masvidal gets the W but he's getting a little ahead of himself.....though I could have sworn someone mentioned this fight in here......smile.gif

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Shout out to Matt Brown fighting the #1 Contender on his way to a possible title shot laugh.gif. Can't call this fight as I'm a fan of both. Hope it reaches it's poential.

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post #3502 of 34175

cant wait for tomorrow. :hat  if lawler gets brown up against the cage look for that left hook to the liver to do some damage. 

post #3503 of 34175

I mentioned the Masvidal/Cruickshank fight. I think it has the potential to be a great/entertaining fight. 

 

I have a feeling Diaz gets Silva first. The timing works out perfectly. They're both targeting to fight early 2015. The only thing that could prevent it is Silva getting over that mental hurdle of throwing leg kicks at full strength. Then I wouldn't be shocked if Diaz parlayed the Silva fight win or lose into a title shot at 170lbs. 

 

Glad Punk is back but I really wanna see him vs Melendez again. They split the first 2 fights, then Gil won the 3rd by split decision, a result a lot of people disagree with, then Gil turned down the 4th fight when they were still in Strikeforce.

 

Can't wait for Robbie/Brown, but I think Brown is gonna regret that patty cake comment. 

post #3504 of 34175
Gil just got tired of fighting dude. I think it was their third fight where it was really clear that Gil had the power and chin advantage. He could drop josh and eat whatever punch was thrown.
post #3505 of 34175
Man Diaz vw silva is gun be epic sucks Alexander is out but awesome for jones vs dc I'm way too pumped for Daley to be back in America
post #3506 of 34175
Damn, Brown missed weight... mean.gif

Twitter said the commission wouldn't let him continue trying to cut down to 171, not good things. Dana said it won't impact his title shot, but I doubt he is 100% if the cut was that tough.

UPDATE: Now Dana is saying the commission messed up and wouldn't let Brown weigh in a second time. Won't be fined. Whatever, I'm heading out to drink, catch y'all tomorrow.

Robbie by 3rd Round TKO

Johnson by 1st Round TKO

Bermudez 30-27

Thomson 30-27

Masvidal by 2nd Round Sub
Edited by NotoriousLAR - 7/25/14 at 5:28pm
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post #3509 of 34175
Bobby Green impressed me tonight.
post #3510 of 34175
Nice that looks good, brotha. I'm on a JetBlue flight and lucky it's a fight night on Fox. Hoping the entire night gets in before we land laugh.gif
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