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UFC tried to cash out while they could, I don't blame them. They got the FOX opportunity and have to fulfill obligations with the number of cards. They couldn't turn that opportunity down.

The sport wasn't ready to stretch out like this, there weren't enough stars there wasn't enough talent from top to bottom to expand cards to this magnitude. If injuries weren't as big as they are in MMA then MAYBE it could have worked but injuries are only getting worse.

The FOX deal is 7 years (signed in 2011). By 2018 it will be pretty interesting to see the state of MMA.

I think the issue they'll have is in the renewal of their TV contract. Will they be able to net an increase in TV right fees or will it be the same. The sport is bigger but too oversaturated. 12 PPVs, 4 big Fox cards and a few FX/Fight Pass would be better. It's just too much for the average consumer. It's not like pro sports where the local market will be interested in their team and there's general interest in the playoffs/championships.

Things are kind of a mess right now. But they're trying to make the most of the situation.
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Ive honestly been having a lot more fun watching glory free events than ufc ppvs

 

glory has been amazing. :hat 

 

 

fridays event was dope.

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GSP's coach aint hold back

 

"It's horrible for the sport," Zahabi told La Presse (translated from French). "Lance Armstrong has not helped the sport of cycling. A lot of people were inspired by his story and afterwards we find out that it's a lie. Here, we're going through something similar in our sport."

 

"Georges is the best pound-for-pound fighter," Zahabi said. "We have to drop Silva. If he really cheated, we can't set this example for the youth. It's ridiculous. Is Lance Armstrong considered the best cyclist of all time? No. A few years ago, the answer would have been different."

 

St-Pierre, the former UFC welterweight champion, has said that he will not return to the UFC until there are stricter testing methods in place -- and that was before Silva popped positive for anabolic steroids. Zahabi said there are currently no plans for GSP to return this year. St-Pierre vacated the belt in December 2013, saying he needed to take some time off. He has never officially retired.

 

People, notably B.J. Penn and Diaz, have accused St-Pierre, 33, of performance-enhancing drug use throughout his illustrious career. Zahabi said those claims are baseless.

 

"Georges passed the tests of VADA, the best agency," Zahabi said. "All his tests are public. We are ready to take them again with random controls 24 hours a day. My athletes are natural and yes Georges is the best fighter of all time."

 

Zahabi also casts some blame at the commission for not getting the test results back in time before the bout.

 

"It's unbelievable that they let them fight," he said. "Me personally, I would like the sport to be cleaned up. Because one day, a guy is going to die in the Octagon and we're going to find out that the guy who killed him tested positive after the fact. Our sport is already dangerous enough as it is. If we add doping on top of that, it becomes madness."

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glory has been amazing. :hat 

 

 

fridays event was dope.

lol last year one of our city sponsors told us he was breaching the contract wehad with him because he got the CEO job at Glory Fighting or some crap. glad he's doing well - hated that dude. 

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GSPs coach gave no damns laugh.gif

is rory all natural? no accusations... just wondering how self righteous you can be until you F up yourself. see jon jones for reference. 

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Never know who's using what these days or who isn't using but nothing would surprise me at all

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all that being said UFC is actually still going to be just fine. they are clearly not ever going to be the fastest growing sport or the biggest sport in the world but that was just dana white hyperbole. fox won't drop them. fertitta will make sure there's no monopoly problem. and everything else will blow over. everyone does drugs. 

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I tend to agree. Combat sports is here to stay for a while. It will always be at least as popular as it was pre UFC 100. Still enough to make some money but just not break into the next level

 

What I see being a problem though is that pesky fighter pay. The sport may hit a plateau in terms of revenue while the athletes may be yearning for a bigger cut

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Originally Posted by Vincent Van Ho View Post
 

I tend to agree. Combat sports is here to stay for a while. It will always be at least as popular as it was pre UFC 100. Still enough to make some money but just not break into the next level

 

What I see being a problem though is that pesky fighter pay. The sport may hit a plateau in terms of revenue while the athletes may be yearning for a bigger cut

that's where the not Monopoly kicks in. the market is what UFC pays them. they could go the Tim Sylvia route and just get one 1 million dollar pay day but i think that's over as it didn't pay off for -- was in RockStar energy drinks or something? 

 

fighters who complain about pay will get cut or will get fed to young upstarts that are horrible match-ups. Hopefuly Dana gets less transparent about being a spiteful prick but the UFC will be just fine. 

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2014 was a horrible year for the UFC so I don't really blame them for some of the moves they made lately. I'm not a big fan of the CM Punk deal but it does bring on a whole new audience that will tune in just to see him get his face broken. They need to get a grasp on how to handle the steroid situation. The commission dishes out suspensions when a guy pissed hot but the UFC needs to start implementing bans for positive tests.

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2014 was a horrible year for the UFC so I don't really blame them for some of the moves they made lately. I'm not a big fan of the CM Punk deal but it does bring on a whole new audience that will tune in just to see him get his face broken. They need to get a grasp on how to handle the steroid situation. The commission dishes out suspensions when a guy pissed hot but the UFC needs to start implementing bans for positive tests.

or Dana White could just not make a huge deal out of guys who piss hot (when he doesn't like them or if they bother him personally) and then make light of guys who piss hot but are champs or his cash cows. Dana just needs to stop being so extreme because it is messing with the sport. 

 

McGregor is a great add. All the injuries are soon going to be par for the course and we'll expect it. Dana just needs to ****. 

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It feels like recently they put a muzzle on Dana. He hasn't been really saying much and he doesn't do a lot of scrums after events anymore. Maybe it has a lot to do with the anti-trust lawsuit.

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It feels like recently they put a muzzle on Dana. He hasn't been really saying much and he doesn't do a lot of scrums after events anymore. Maybe it has a lot to do with the anti-trust lawsuit.

He's still sounding off on Vitor... I mean Vitor could be the interim middleweight champ soon and Dana is bashing him. But yeah, I agree they put a muzzle on him at least compared to a year ago. 

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So not all UFC fighters are getting ****** pay cause a report by Bloody Elbow is saying UFC is withholding a $6M payment to A.Silva until the NSAC makes its final rulings on his PED case. He was supposed to get $600k to show, $200k win bonus, and more than $5M for his ppv points.

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So not all UFC fighters are getting ****** pay cause a report by Bloody Elbow is saying UFC is withholding a $6M payment to A.Silva until the NSAC makes its final rulings on his PED case. He was supposed to get $600k to show, $200k win bonus, and more than $5M for his ppv points.

Yeah I seen this on Bleacher Report which makes me wonder how much they give Anderson when it comes to PPV revenue. I remember when Brock fought they had said he gets usually 2-3 dollars a buy for PPV's so that would mean 500K buys equals $1 Million if its $2 per buy. 

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Not sure how much Silva makes from ppv but I know that it's a tiered system. From when Alvarez and Bellator were in court, the documents said UFC offered him "$1 for each 'buy' between 200,000 and 400,000 buys, $2 per buy between 400,000 and 600,000 buys, and $2.50 per buy over 600,000 buys."

 

Have to assume that Silva who was champion for a long time and was proven to be a ppv draw would have a much better deal than the one offered to Alvarez. Plus who knows if any special bonuses were given to him. Like when Dana gave Machida a bonus personal check for beating Tito.

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So not all UFC fighters are getting ****** pay cause a report by Bloody Elbow is saying UFC is withholding a $6M payment to A.Silva until the NSAC makes its final rulings on his PED case. He was supposed to get $600k to show, $200k win bonus, and more than $5M for his ppv points.

The select few get paid. Jones, GSP etc. No doubt they're millionaires

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DJ wants $2M to fight Dillashaw? mean.gif

Real bold coming from a guy that has zero ability to market a fight.
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DJ wants $2M to fight Dillashaw? mean.gif

Real bold coming from a guy that has zero ability to market a fight.

Maybe he should wear a mouse costume for the fight.
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ill beat up DJ for free
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DJ wants $2M to fight Dillashaw? mean.gif

Real bold coming from a guy that has zero ability to market a fight.

I don't blame him.

That's the flip side to the UFC not wanting a pay structure/scale for fighters. When a fighters get feed scraps for so long, I don't blame them for trying to bleed the UFC when they can

Try and get dem checks lil fella smokin.gif

And lets keep it #1HUNNA, TJ isn't marketable at all either
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Maybe he should wear a mouse costume for the fight.
He can't unless it's made by Reebok.

Silva did sign a new contract in 2013. I know JBJ signed a contract last year. Man, he must have made cake off the DC fight, enough to fund many a coke-driven night.

And honestly, the contract system of the UFC doesn't make sense for pro fighters. And besides GSP/Brock, they haven't had a big mainstream sports star capable of generating 1 million buys.

I'll say it again, they need to market a lot of these fighters the way they did McGregor.
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Yeah UFC needs to market some of these guys better but a lot of them need to market themselves better.

 

Mighty Mouse should start following Rousey's plan when it comes to deciding when to fight. Rousey knows that she doesn't really sell ppvs as the main event so she tries to get on a big card as the co-main. Thats why she wanted to get on the Jones/DC card but eventually got on the Weidman/Belfort one. Sonnen even said he did the same thing and fought to get on the GSP/Hendricks ppv cause he knew that gsp's card would sell and make him more money.

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Originally Posted by PhillyzPhan View Post

Yeah UFC needs to market some of these guys better but a lot of them need to market themselves better.

Mighty Mouse should start following Rousey's plan when it comes to deciding when to fight. Rousey knows that she doesn't really sell ppvs as the main event so she tries to get on a big card as the co-main. Thats why she wanted to get on the Jones/DC card but eventually got on the Weidman/Belfort one. Sonnen even said he did the same thing and fought to get on the GSP/Hendricks ppv cause he knew that gsp's card would sell and make him more money.

Yeah Ronda has always fought on stacked cards. Her selling power is gonna get exposed at UFC 184 though.

One time I heard Dana brag about Ronda selling million PPVs for a event. He left out that the Silva v. Weidman rematch was the headliner that night laugh.gifmean.gif
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Nobody paying to see women fight. We will see though in a few weeks

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Nobody paying to see women fight. We will see though in a few weeks

That card is going to tank. There's like no promo for the main event. Like I said, no hype from UFC. Rhonda has a highlight reel of arm bars, judo throws and an occasional good strike plus she's been in Hollywood movies. They could easily throw videos together gassing up Cat. Her last two wins were come from behind wins, where she overcame adversity.

Sell the fighters not the stupid league. The fighters/matchups are what sell the cards.
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I actually feel like Cat is the first legit opponent for Ronda. Anyone know if they're similar in size? I feel like Cat is pretty large

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Nobody paying to see women fight. We will see though in a few weeks

I never pay anyway, I just watch free cards but the strawweight division has had entertaining fights.

I hope Cat puts up a good fight. Like her and her purple hair.
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