Any Pre-med students, med students or residents on Niketalk that got useful advice for your NT breth

TypeRPinoY said:
He unfortunately is also likely at least that much in debt too.
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I thought i heard somewhere that doctors have different options when it comes to their debt? Like all of their student debt doesn't really count against them when going to buy cars, houses, whatever?
 
it doesn't really negatively impact your credit if that is what you mean because the earning potential of most physicians is still high. banks and lenders will still give you a mortgage or a loan. but you still need to pay it back. it doesn't just go away.
 
UTVOL23 said:
What you wanna know?

PGY-5 in Radiology checking in.

I will disagree in that unless you can talk about something extraordinary the personal statement doesnt count for much. Now if it has grammatical errors etc it can really really hurt you.

I was on my medical schools admissions board. One of two students that sat on the board.
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pre med,

interesting

how would you rank it? I'm assuming MCAT>GPA>ECs>Statement?

pre med right now, planning on MCAT end of summer
 
00david00 said:
UTVOL23 said:
What you wanna know?

PGY-5 in Radiology checking in.

I will disagree in that unless you can talk about something extraordinary the personal statement doesnt count for much. Now if it has grammatical errors etc it can really really hurt you.

I was on my medical schools admissions board. One of two students that sat on the board.
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pre med,

interesting

how would you rank it? I'm assuming MCAT>GPA>ECs>Statement?

pre med right now, planning on MCAT end of summer
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in general MCAT is the most important. but it's not impossible to get in with a less than stellar score. i got in to a us allopathic school with completely average MCAT scores and GPA
 
TypeR, you made it out obviously, youre a role model to pre-med dudes, but looking back, it has to be worth it right? I mean you are at the top of your food chain and have a job for life..isnt it a good feeling ?

Plus im sure it makes ur parents proud...I have some Doctors in my fam and they are hella generous with their money. When holidays role around they always come through with the best gifts lol
 
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everyone has their own reasons for going into medicine. i couldn't ever imagine doing anything else, so to me it is definitely worth it. but i have run into my fair share of people who have said that they wouldn't do it all over again if they had a choice. i have also run into many people who have delusions of grandeur about becoming a physician and thinking they are going to make some huge impact on mankind.
 
00david00 said:
pre med,

interesting

how would you rank it? I'm assuming MCAT>GPA>ECs>Statement?

pre med right now, planning on MCAT end of summer
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I would rank MCAT and GPA almost equal. EC's if they are good can really set you apart from other applicants or boost an avg application. Also your letters of recommendation can also have a great deal of impact esp if the person writing the letter is someone prominent and they can express that they truly know you in their letter. As with any field who you know can become a big part of it. Even if you have medicore scores if you know the right people they can possibly get you in.
I would rank the personal statement last unless it is just mind blowing.


The hard part is getting in medical school getting through is tough but very doable. I graduated 2nd in my class. AOA ,high step scores and all that other stuff only really help in basically allowing you to have your selection of what residency you want to go into but once you get into residency all that stuff doesnt really matter MD is MD. NO one really makes much mention if you got your MD from a Caribbean school if you are a good physician. So if a US school doesnt seem capable always consider that route. The only major hinderance is trying to match into very competitive residencies Similar for DO but i think more of a stigma is attached with DO's
 
last i checked i think American Osteopathic graduates had a better match rate than American-born foreign medical grads. not sure if that takes into account DOs matching into DO residencies as well though.
 
My friend in his 4th yr DO, he said the only specialty he would have a realistic shot is Psychiatry. Idk bout the rest though. That is just him.
 
TypeRPinoY said:
last i checked i think American Osteopathic graduates had a better match rate than American-born foreign medical grads. not sure if that takes into account DOs matching into DO residencies as well though.
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Youre probably right. DO's have two routes to match to a DO residency or a MD residency. I was just referring more to a stigma attached to DOs . I personally know some very excellent DO physicians but i know my residency program has never taken a DO applicant of course on that note they probably have never taken a FMG MD either.

Either way If a US allopathic school isnt an option I wouldnt eliminate either of the other options if you passion is medicine
 
UTVOL23 said:
00david00 said:
pre med,

interesting

how would you rank it? I'm assuming MCAT>GPA>ECs>Statement?

pre med right now, planning on MCAT end of summer
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I would rank MCAT and GPA almost equal. EC's if they are good can really set you apart from other applicants or boost an avg application. Also your letters of recommendation can also have a great deal of impact esp if the person writing the letter is someone prominent and they can express that they truly know you in their letter. As with any field who you know can become a big part of it. Even if you have medicore scores if you know the right people they can possibly get you in.
I would rank the personal statement last unless it is just mind blowing.


The hard part is getting in medical school getting through is tough but very doable. I graduated 2nd in my class. AOA ,high step scores and all that other stuff only really help in basically allowing you to have your selection of what residency you want to go into but once you get into residency all that stuff doesnt really matter MD is MD. NO one really makes much mention if you got your MD from a Caribbean school if you are a good physician. So if a US school doesnt seem capable always consider that route. The only major hinderance is trying to match into very competitive residencies Similar for DO but i think more of a stigma is attached with DO's
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thank you for the info

I'm banking on my MCAT and Recs to be above avg, GPA and ECs are basically avg, personal statement I can write really well but yeah nothing extraordinary to mention

Hoping for Keck
 
TypeRPinoY said:
He unfortunately is also likely at least that much in debt too.
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kvsm23vs24 said:
My boy is doctor. 2 more years and he'll be making 200,000 a year :x
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Just what TypeR said.

200k seems like a lot but when you have over 200K in loans from medical school not to mention all the interest that can accrue during residency and then you factor in all the fees from malpractice, taxes, professional taxes its really doesnt allow you to ball out of control.
 
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but in college, I saw plenty of pre-med students who would severely jeopardize their own health just so they could get the grades to get into med school. I'm talking sleeping
 
SN Souljah said:
My friend in his 4th yr DO, he said the only specialty he would have a realistic shot is Psychiatry. Idk bout the rest though. That is just him.
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your boy must not have done very well than. there are probably only a handful of specialties that DOs would be eliminated from if they did well on their steps and had good grades.
 
I began college with dreams of med school, but they never panned out. I'm studying programming now. My advice is to always have a viable plan B, because chances are your gonna need it :lol:
 
timbo109 said:
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but in college, I saw plenty of pre-med students who would severely jeopardize their own health just so they could get the grades to get into med school. I'm talking sleeping
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AZwildcats said:
I began college with dreams of med school, but they never panned out. I'm studying programming now. My advice is to always have a viable plan B, because chances are your gonna need it :lol:
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That's a pretty damn viable plan B. I regret not taking more programming classes in college despite me loving my job and career prospects.
 
UTVOL23 said:
Youre probably right. DO's have two routes to match to a DO residency or a MD residency. I was just referring more to a stigma attached to DOs . I personally know some very excellent DO physicians but i know my residency program has never taken a DO applicant of course on that note they probably have never taken a FMG MD either.

Either way If a US allopathic school isnt an option I wouldnt eliminate either of the other options if you passion is medicine
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I had a hard time in undergrad so my gpa and mcat score were both ugly...but medicine has been the only thing I've ever wanted to do with my life. So I got my crap together, stopped being lazy, graduated from college. I'm currently in med school overseas. For sure the match will be tougher but I know a lot of people from here who did good on their MLEs and matched into their first choice programs

Advice to OP...make sure you're serious about it and put in the work. It took me awhile to get real but Im happy where I'm at. And yeah the hours are long and you feel like crap a lot but I wouldn't change a thing :D
 
UTVOL23 said:
I personally dont see much need to be sleep deprived in under grad esp if you prepare correctly. Also there is no reason to smoke cigs. Alot of people do drink coffee. I never started with the coffee or energy drink think.

Also in recent years they have really changed and tightened the work hour restrictions on how long residents can work esp for interns. In my intern year I would work over 30 hrs straight and still do work up to 24 hrs straight but the interns are no longer allowed to work those extended shifts without taking i believe a 6 hour sleep break.
I understand your point of worrying about someone working on you who is sleep deprived but many of the seasoned veterans would pose an alternative complaint i hear this esp from surgery attending in that they feel that many residents who graduate are no longer properly prepared in that they havent seen or done enough surgeries to be totally competent for when they get out and practice on their own. These older surgeons believe it is due to them not having spent enough time in the hospital ie the 100-120+ hour work weeks they used to do as residents.
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Interesting perspective - thanks for posting.

Yeah - perhaps the unhealthiness I saw in pre-med students was a result of an overall culture of stress than the pre-med field. That said, I thought the lack of healthiness was especially prevalent and more glaring in pre-med students.

I guess I wasn't thinking about that trade-off. Still, my counterpoint to that is that a lesser number of surgeries practiced well-rested is equivalent to a larger amount of surgeries on ****** sleep.
 
frink85 said:
I had a hard time in undergrad so my gpa and mcat score were both ugly...but medicine has been the only thing I've ever wanted to do with my life. So I got my crap together, stopped being lazy, graduated from college. I'm currently in med school overseas. For sure the match will be tougher but I know a lot of people from here who did good on their MLEs and matched into their first choice programs

Advice to OP...make sure you're serious about it and put in the work. It took me awhile to get real but Im happy where I'm at. And yeah the hours are long and you feel like crap a lot but I wouldn't change a thing
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where overseas if you dont mind me asking?
 
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