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NikeTalker23 said:
Can we agree that if Hopkins beats Kovalev, he's higher on the all time greats above Mayweather?
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Until Mayweather starts losing some fights, IMO, no.

Bernard has some great wins under his belt like Felix, Oscar with the body blow, Tarver, Winky, and Pavlik, but losses against Joe Calzaghe, and RJJ when they were both in the best points of their careers.

Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Zab, Baldomir, Oscar, Hatton, JMM, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, and Maidana.

Not a single blemish. Some marred in controversy, but no losses.
 
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Paul Williams, Winky Wright, and Cotto (until after Cotto got broke down by Margascumbag and Pacman).

Danny Garcia is way worse though and he should have lost in his homecoming.
 
Most folks think he beat Calzaghe and he wasn't anywhere near his prime when he fought RJJ the first time. Forgetting wins against Holmes, Pascal (when he won the first fight as well IMO) and Cloud. Not to mention the first Jermaine fight most press row thought he won. Not saying his resume is better than PBF's.

I'd agree that Paul and Margarito are the ducks from PBF.

But Danny taking another tune up fight after a tune up fight is too funny :lol: that's why I disagree with Champ's POV of just supporting the sport. I love the sport but sham cards like this shouldn't be supported by fans in attendance or in viewing.
 
You could argue Mayweather/Hopkins opponents all day long. But think about this, Hopkins is taking on arguably the most feared man in the division at almost 50 years of age! We couldn't even get Mayweather to fight arguably the most feared opponent in Manny years ago. Just off that alone I'm giving the notch to Hopkins. Like Hopkins said Saturday, he's from a different generation. No cherry picking, no "leaving it up to my promoters and team", none of that nonsense.
 
Proshares said:
But Danny taking another tune up fight after a tune up fight is too funny :lol: that's why I disagree with Champ's POV of just supporting the sport. I love the sport but sham cards like this shouldn't be supported by fans in attendance or in viewing.
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They're giving him a tune up fight because he lost his tune up fight and was given a gift decision for his "homecoming."
 
NikeTalker23 said:
Can we agree that if Hopkins beats Kovalev, he's higher on the all time greats above Mayweather?
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GUNNA GET IT said:
IMO Floyd ducked Paul Williams

That's it.

I think he would have had major problems with Paul especially after Paul bounced back vs Quintana.

Mannnnn I miss Punisher.
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At what point in time was this fight proposed? Was Pun trying to get this fight? Would the fight have sold well? What fight did Floyd take instead of fighting Pun? I do admit that before the Lara and Sergio Losses (I think the first Sergio fight could have went the other way) Pun was the most avoided man in the sport? The only reason I give this fight to Floyd is because Paul didnt know how to use his reach imo. What wieght would that have been at?
 
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boxer15 said:
Paul Williams, Winky Wright, and Cotto (until after Cotto got broke down by Margascumbag and Pacman).

Danny Garcia is way worse though and he should have lost in his homecoming.
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I would have had no problem with Danny losing the Herrera fight but when was he going to fight Winky? By the time that would have been possible Winky was at 54 and Floyd was at 30. If your argument is, well Shane went up and did it than so be it.
 
Bobby fischer said:
At what point in time was this fight proposed? Was Pun trying to get this fight? Would the fight have sold well? What fight did Floyd take instead of fighting Pun? I do admit that before the Lara and Sergio Losses (I think the first Sergio fight could have went the other way) Pun was the most avoided man in the sport? The only reason I give this fight to Floyd is because Paul didnt know how to use his reach imo. What wieght would that have been at?
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Immediately after the Hatton fight. Margs, Cotto, and Punisher were all mentioned. Floyd was asked if we'd see him fight them...and he retired...again.
 
boxer15 said:
Proshares said:
But Danny taking another tune up fight after a tune up fight is too funny :lol: that's why I disagree with Champ's POV of just supporting the sport. I love the sport but sham cards like this shouldn't be supported by fans in attendance or in viewing.
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They're giving him a tune up fight because he lost his tune up fight and was given a gift decision for his "homecoming."
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Which is a crock of **** to me but whatever :lol:
 
boxer15 said:
Paul Williams, Winky Wright, and Cotto (until after Cotto got broke down by Margascumbag and Pacman).

Danny Garcia is way worse though and he should have lost in his homecoming.
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How did Floyd duck Winky when he called Ronald out, at a time when Ronald was fighting at middleweight and Floyd was still campaigning at 140 lbs.?  Floyd gave his stipulations just like any P4P, A-side fighter would do in that situation, and due to Bob Arum changing the purse split, Winky's promoter, Gary Shaw ended up turning down what would have been his fighter's career payday.

Shaw even stated that it was Bob Arum's fault that the fight didn't happen.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/22/Sports/Wright_Mayweather_bou.shtml

While Shaw said he agreed with just about all of the demands from the Mayweather team, principally regarding weight, he doesn't think the Detroit fighter, aformer Olympian, was behind the breakdown.

"I think it's Arum," Shaw said. "When Floyd normally calls someone out, he's serious about fighting them."

Mayweather, one of the sport's most vocal stars, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal Sunday that he was interested in fighting Wright, and Shaw wasted no time calling his bluff.

The next morning, he was in the Top Rank offices working on a deal.

"Remember, Floyd called Winky out; Winky didn't call Floyd out," Shaw said. "We were even willing to come down in weight to 154."
 
Floyd also said he would face the winner of his poll and look what happened.  Floyd, Arum, Oscar, etc I don't trust a single word that comes out their mouth.  99.9% of boxers, promoters, and managers now days are full of it.
 
Nobody wanted Winky in his prime, he was too much risk no reward. But like Dan Rafael always messes him about it, he blew his biggest payday by demanding so much, and the Winky school of business started lol
 
3G actually comes to mind, if he dared to be great but he won't do it, but then again who isn't ducking 3G right now. Don't say 3G is too big because he reminds of the time when Sergio kept calling him out and he didn't fight him either. Like Sergio, 3G says he can make 154
 
Winky wanted close to $10 million to fight Oscar, smh.  He probably would have beat him too.
 
Winky was an idiot.

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ridiculous demands is the same reason why we never got a rematch between him and Jermain Taylor.

All he had to do was go out and win the 12th...
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This weekend's fights are a waste of time. Let's just skip over and talk about the following weekend.

Porter vs Brook. I want to see your predictions.

I was leaning a little more towards Porter at first. But I now see Brook winning. Reason being he is taller, bigger, and hits harder than Paulie and Alexander. Porter can not just walk through his punches. Plus Porter tends to rush in and leaves himself open to counters. Brook has great timing and accuracy. He needs to utilize his stiff jab and counter Porter. But the unknown variable is whether Brook is ready at this level, he hasn't been tested yet.
 
Man, when Winky priced himself out I was livid :lol:

I am a big fan of Brook, so I am rooting for him to pull it off but it is gonna a tough challenge.

Looking forward to seeing Bika back :lol: I always root for him.
 
Injured Thurman poised for return.

If you have been wondering where Keith Thurman has been you are not alone. I too was curious what has been going on with the talented and crowd-pleasing interim welterweight titleholder.

After all, he is a 25-year-old on the rise and has looked sensational in his recent fights, but he has only fought once so far this year, a one-sided third-round blowout of faded former lightweight titlist Julio Diaz.

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Unbeaten interim welterweight titlist Keith Thurman is looking at an October return after nursing a left shoulder injury.
As it turns out, Thurman has been nursing a left shoulder injury. In fact, the plan had been for him to fight on the Showtime PPV undercard of the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Marcos Maidana rematch on Sept. 13 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. However, because of the shoulder problem, he's not expected back in the ring until October, trainer Dan Birmingham told ESPN.com on Wednesday.

"Keith should be back to full training in about two weeks," Birmingham said. "He has a strained labrum. He's feeling good now and doing some light work and running. We didn't want to rush anything before he goes back into camp so he has been in the gym doing leg stuff, but not working on his upper body because of the shoulder."

Birmingham said that Thurman (23-0, 21 KOs), of Clearwater, Florida, had an MRI on his shoulder about three weeks ago and that there was no tear, so the recommendation from his doctor was to rest for another month or so.

At that point, rather than rush back into a fight without being 100 percent, the decision was made not to fight on the Mayweather-Maidana II card, Birmingham said.

"But in the last few days [Thurman adviser] Al [Haymon] told us we would have a [Showtime] date in October," Birmingham said. "We don't have the date nailed down yet or an opponent, but Keith will be back in October. I don't want to speculate on an opponent, but Roberto Garcia, who just signed with Al, might make a good opponent. He has got a great record and he's a good fighter."

Birmingham said that eventually he believes that Thurman will meet Shawn Porter, another talented undefeated welterweight in the Haymon stable. There has been a lot of talk about that potential fight, but Porter, of course, must defeat Kell Brook in a mandatory title defense on Aug. 16. Even if it does happen, it's probably a couple of fights away.

"I think that fight is inevitable," Birmingham said of Porter-Thurman. "We know those guys, Shawn and his dad [Kenny Porter]. We have Shawn in our camp before and we're friends with them, but this is also business. We all know they might have to fight. When they do, it'll be a great fight."
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Lightweight Champion said:
Immediately after the Hatton fight. Margs, Cotto, and Punisher were all mentioned. Floyd was asked if we'd see him fight them...and he retired...again.
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OK. Didnt know tht thaks for th info. I do not hink Bob would have let him get a hold of Cotto yet but then again he did feed him to Manny at a  catchwieght.
 
onlyjs said:
3G actually comes to mind, if he dared to be great but he won't do it, but then again who isn't ducking 3G right now. Don't say 3G is too big because he reminds of the time when Sergio kept calling him out and he didn't fight him either. Like Sergio, 3G says he can make 154
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Well with that logic why have wieght divisions?
 
Bobby fischer said:
Well with that logic why have wieght divisions?
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What do you mean? He's talking about Golovkin weighing in at 154, a weight Floyd holds a title at. Makes as much sense as Golovkin moving to 168 to fight Ward even though he's not a big middleweight. Difference being Golovkin only comes down 6 pounds for Pretty Bird Floyd instead of moving up 8 for Ward.

Either way, most of boxing nowadays is a lot of catch weight fighting to not risk titles and/or avoid risky fights at real weights.

As far as the Winky deal...Mayweather is just as much at fault. You agree to everything then change the split at the last minute? Yeah, didn't want to fight him in the first place.
 
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