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Graduation is Big Sean??? Dude wasnt even on Good Misic at that time let alone known in anyway shape or form


exactly what i was saying lol dude just reaching to get his point across 

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Same with bieber, them dudes got whole countries behind them. Which isn't a bad thing, I've never met a Canadian that didn't support them both. We can agree at the end of the day, u think future and co is nonsense, we feel the same about Aubrey. U think Aubrey will be at the top forever, we think his day will come like every one else
laugh.gif How many Canadians have you met? 100K is platinum over there and Drake barley did that with his last REAL album. Or is bootlegging popular there?

Meek Mill sold more records than Future, you REALLY think that dude is gonna outlast Drake? laugh.gif

Y'all Ns just praying on this man's downfall. Comparing him to washed up Ns that fell off after 2 years. mean.gif

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exactly what i was saying lol dude just reaching to get his point across 

All to defend Drake, dudes fans disgust me more than his mediorce rapping
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exactly what i was saying lol dude just reaching to get his point across 
Do y'all KNOW what you're talking about?

Big Sean's first mixtape came out 3 weeks after Graduation.

He met Ye 2 years before that. At least KNOW what you're talkin bout before you try to discredit someone who does.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1614206/kanye-west-almost-walked-away-from-latest-protege-big-sean/

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What does Canada supporting Drake have to do with his success in the US? Please break this down because I'm confused by that...

And I do think Future will be around because he knows how to make songs... He has hits outside of the kind of music he's been making lately... People that are trying to discredit what future is doing really just don't listen to him... I'm convinced of that.

Also people that try to discredit what Wayne did also annoy me... Talking about the music wasn't good and all that dumb ****... It's like ****** have to hear 30 entendres for a ***** to ft his credit... Get out of here with that... You can be a lyrical guy without all that extra have to go dig deeper ********...
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How do we know who's going to last longer tho 😂😂😂. U assuming that Aubrey Kirby skills will keep him around longer but no one really knows. Drake been around since 09 future 10 so they've both been around for a while.

With all the help kanye gets at least he has a classic album. Half of drakes so called best album was given to him from someone else and it's still not considered a classic album.
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Originally Posted by Dat Dude Chris View Post

Graduation is Big Sean??? Dude wasnt even on Good Misic at that time let alone known in anyway shape or form

Yes he was. He was on the can't tell me nothin mixtape that dropped before graduation.
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You don't outgrow good music. That group listed really did start making ****** music as the years went by, especially on the production side.

I've outgrown rappers or the styles of rap I was in to during certain periods. I might like their old stuff, but a lot of times I don't want to hear them doing it now. A lot of times you aren't judging them based on what they are currently putting out. You're comparing it to the old stuff when you first started listening to them. How that made you feel.

Eminem can rap, but he was corny from the beginning. Which is one of the reasons I was never in to him.

Agree about them not attempting to basically recreate their old stuff now, but nearly every one of those rappers listed simply lost it, or just sound lazy. I feel about Wa_n_ the way you feel about Em, but that's a whole different convo. All those rappers listed also seemed to have lost their ear for production. There's a lot of vets I still listen to that sound as fresh as they ever have, with the beats to match. Yet, for every 1 50 or Em song today that may actually sound good, there's like 10 totally mediocre tracks to go right along with it. I'm puzzled at how certain vets you have been out the limelight can make better stuff today than the more popular ones with all the money/resources available.
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Big Sean was mediorce back then so even if dude helped, he aint write that whole album for Ye man. Ye even with ghostwriters be crafting better albums than the ones who helped him with it. Outta all those dudes who are legit artists, the only one who has made an album better than the one they helped Ye with was Travis Scott cause Rodeo >>>>>> Yeezus
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Big Sean was mediorce back then so even if dude helped, he aint write that whole album for Ye man. Ye even with ghostwriters be crafting better albums than the ones who helped him with it. Outta all those dudes who are legit artists, the only one who has made an album better than the one they helped Ye with was Travis Scott cause Rodeo >>>>>> Yeezus

He's supposed to. He's a producer. It's his job to be the conductor and oversee every creative element that goes into the song/album. Of course his albums are going to be better...because they don't have the ability to curate a vision the way that he does.
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For all of those claiming Sean didn't exist during Graduation, etc, forward to 2:56. 

 

I already see the backtracking. This doesn't take away from Kanye IMO as he put out great music. People will spew anything to discredit great artists, both Kanye and Drake made their own lane and have influenced just as many artists as they may have been influenced by. 

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Not every producers albums are better than the artist that help or feature on it tho. Most producers albums are basically compliation albums. Hell Ye has a better flow & delivery than most of the ppl who "help" him as well
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Not every producers albums are better than the artist that help or feature on it tho. Most producers albums are basically compliation albums. Hell Ye has a better flow & delivery than most of the ppl who "help" him as well

Every producer isn't Kanye west. He's a legend for a reason.

I'm confused as to what your overall point is. All those people @Trill Nimbley named have undoubtedly contributed to the conception of Kanye West. Wethere you call it "help", writing for, whatever...Kanye has used all of their waves to help him create.

There's no disputing that.
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Dudes didn't even properly read the article that they're using to recite info from in order to hate sick.gif yikes
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I think a lot of it has to do with the person out growing the music.

I never thought Wayne was as good as some of you made him out to be. He always had elementary and corny punches to me.

and 50, Ja, DMX, Nelly and Em all sort of had "their" style. Which isn't a gimmick, but it can become outdated as hip hop moves in another direction. Like how Bad Boy was hurt when the music started moving more grimey.

You have someone like Nas or Jada who are classic and just do them.
And someone like Kanye make their own lane and change the whole culture

I think that really only applies to Em and Nelly.

50 basically put a bullet through Ja's career, then 50's musical quality fell off the side of a cliff. DMX couldn't stay off the drugs which is why his music declined.
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I think that really only applies to Em and Nelly.

50 basically put a bullet through Ja's career, then 50's musical quality fell off the side of a cliff. DMX couldn't stay off the drugs which is why his music declined.

When Ja supposedly fell off, he still released hits and was more successful than 50 has been musically the past seven or eight years

50's music was never THAT good, it was image. Just like he peddled that ugly G-Unit clothing brand and sneakers.
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I think that really only applies to Em and Nelly.

50 basically put a bullet through Ja's career, then 50's musical quality fell off the side of a cliff. DMX couldn't stay off the drugs which is why his music declined.

When Ja supposedly fell off, he still released hits and was more successful than 50 has been musically the past seven or eight years

50's music was never THAT good, it was image. Just like he peddled that ugly G-Unit clothing brand and sneakers.
The massacre was good IMO imagine how great it woulda been had he not have those 3 records to game
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Grodt was great. If he had kept the tracks he gave fane massacre would've been another classic.
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The massacre was good IMO imagine how great it woulda been had he not have those 3 records to game


Massacre was garbo if we're being realistic over here, How We Do is basically a West Coast track. 50 on Dr. Dre beats wasn't anything special aside from his stuff on GRODT. he for sure isn't as lyrically gifted either, he's a songwriter and nothing else.
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Grodt was great. If he had kept the tracks he gave fane massacre would've been another classic.

I'm saying ppl acting like that GRODT wasnt monumental.
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The Meek thread is just a general music thread now roll.gif
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The Meek thread is just a general music thread now roll.gif

Derailed just like Meek's career.
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It's either that or no post at all... Not like he's dropping anything... laugh.gif

He's posting "$3,500" jackets on IG all day. laugh.gif

******* clown
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Until he puts out new music or gives us something to talk about
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Big Sean had nothing to do with Graduation lol

Sean at 3:02 writing Champion.

Im sure Ye is more involved in his writing than people think but he is definitely a Dre/Puffy type dude that just puts the pieces together to make something great.
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It's either that or no post at all... Not like he's dropping anything... laugh.gif

He's posting "$3,500" jackets on IG all day. laugh.gif

******* clown
Don't forget his $500 "bum hat" that "she hates"

And for the record.
Kanye is an absolutely AMAZING artist. Not taking ANYthing away from him just don't understand how y'all can credit him then discredit Aubrey for essentially the SAME thing? Y'all Ns have a vendetta against the beige brudda which is pretty laugh.gif

Meek just gotta get back to his DC1 steez. He's gonna be an emotionally unstable guy, much like Whale, Drake is gonna be a N that struggles with acceptance, those are just the facts of the matter.

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Don't forget his $500 "bum hat" that "she hates"

And for the record.
Kanye is an absolutely AMAZING artist. Not taking ANYthing away from him just don't understand how y'all can credit him then discredit Aubrey for essentially the SAME thing? Y'all Ns have a vendetta against the beige brudda which is pretty laugh.gif

Meek just gotta get back to his DC1 steez. He's gonna be an emotionally unstable guy, much like Whale, Drake is gonna be a N that struggles with acceptance, those are just the facts of the matter.


I think the only difference is perception. I think kanye's process was a bit more transparent from early on. Some of drake's biggest fans had no idea he had writers and some still refuse to believe it.
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I treat kanye the same except kanye never his the fact that people write for him. Many videos out of writing sessions, the og rhymefest Jesus walks is out there etc. Whenever I hear people say kanye is the best rapper or he's top 5 I sut it down right there because how much of it did he really write. Hell of a producer tho but same with Aubrey, how much of it do he really write? We don't know. Great artist, but I'm not giving him credit as a great rapper.
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It's either that or no post at all... Not like he's dropping anything... laugh.gif

He's posting "$3,500" jackets on IG all day. laugh.gif

******* clown
Don't forget his $500 "bum hat" that "she hates"

And for the record.
Kanye is an absolutely AMAZING artist. Not taking ANYthing away from him just don't understand how y'all can credit him then discredit Aubrey for essentially the SAME thing? Y'all Ns have a vendetta against the beige brudda which is pretty laugh.gif

Meek just gotta get back to his DC1 steez. He's gonna be an emotionally unstable guy, much like Whale, Drake is gonna be a N that struggles with acceptance, those are just the facts of the matter.

It's always been known that Kanye works with a team of people and had ghost writers. I'm mean that not even ghost writers, everybody who follows Kanye knows Rhymefest and Consequence wrote for him. Kanye have Dr Dre always been looked at as like conductors. For themselves and other people. Drake is a rapper/singer who's talented but if he's got somebody making reference tracks for him he can't claim that best rapper title. Again Drake is a good rapper, I'm sure the dude Quentin wasn't writing ALL his **** but still.
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It's always been known that Kanye works with a team of people and had ghost writers. I'm mean that not even ghost writers, everybody who follows Kanye knows Rhymefest and Consequence wrote for him. Kanye have Dr Dre always been looked at as like conductors. For themselves and other people. Drake is a rapper/singer who's talented but if he's got somebody making reference tracks for him he can't claim that best rapper title. Again Drake is a good rapper, I'm sure the dude Quentin wasn't writing ALL his **** but still.

My thing, like Punch said on Rap Radar. You need to stop saying how great you are as a emcee, because you are an entertainer.
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