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post #7261 of 13920
If everybody does it cool, I'll get to everyone else when the reference tracks come out. If u played me some Kendrick Lamar reference tracks I'd hope on that slander bus in a second for anyone saying he's the best rapper or one of the best rappers out. No different than drake or anyone else. Let me find out future had help on his 4peat smh **** would hurt my heart.
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post #7262 of 13920

:lol @ this thread about to go into a sports debate.

 

Meek either needs to drop the second diss or Drake needs to drop the 3 Peat Death Blow.

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laugh.gif Brah Please. You really gonna take this stance

And I never said it was cool. I said it was a bad look from the jump.

But it seems like for some folk it a crime against music for Drake to use someone else bars, but when other folk do it it is "part of the game"

And if Drake wasn't a rapper you hated would you be acting like you're acting?

Who is it part of the game for?

Does anyone take Eazy, Fat Joe, Puff, or Dr Dre serious as rappers?

Does anyone think Kanye is a top emcee?
post #7264 of 13920

so barry bonds still not one of the greats because of steroids?

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Let me find gunplay ain't write his verse on cartoons and cereal... Or if pusha had reference tracks for mnimn. It ain't just because its drake with me but it is that much sweeter that it is since I don't like his music at all. If Gucci ain't write first day out I might commit DAT.
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post #7266 of 13920
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so barry bonds still not one of the greats because of steroids?

Drake was never a great.
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Drake was never a great.

hes one of the greats from this era, be real with yourself

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Let me find gunplay ain't write his verse on cartoons and cereal... Or if pusha had reference tracks for mnimn. It ain't just because its drake with me but it is that much sweeter that it is since I don't like his music at all. If Gucci ain't write first day out I might commit DAT.

Don't even bother. Using reference tracks and borrowing a bar or two is the same thing when it comes to Drake fans. Everyone borrows lyrics roll.gif
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Which one doesn't belong laugh.gif

Can Sprite change this campaign it's disgraceful to the others on the list. laugh.gif
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None of this takes anything away from Drake's ability to consistently output quality music. It just means that for the crowd that cares...he may not be the lyricist we thought he was.

I don't understand why people can't see the difference in making great music and having a great pen. Acknowledging that his pen is in question isn't devaluing his ability to make hits. Same exact scenario with kanye.

I'm not about to delete his music from my iTunes.
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hes one of the greats from this era, be real with yourself

Like being the best player on the 76ers
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hes one of the greats from this era, be real with yourself

That's right. Add that qualifier, asterisk.
post #7273 of 13920

we dont respect greatness until its gone

just ask lebron

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Ya'll underselling Drake something vicious. His sound broke barriers like few rappers ever have, just give credit where credit is due. You don't have to like it to appreciate his music and business savvy.

Was the excerpt from the Wu Tang article where Ghost says Rae wrote all their verses for a particular song posted yet? I noticed that I didn't see anyone calling them frauds in here.

What sound barrier did he break? Will Smith, Andre 3000, Kanye, Nelly, etc. have done all of this. Heck, 3 6 Mafia won a Grammy in 2006. This is all a byproduct of fairweather observers who now want to profit off of hip hop. Just being rehashed...
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Which one doesn't belong laugh.gif

Can Sprite change this campaign it's disgraceful to the others on the list. laugh.gif

 

I'm saying.

 

Get that greasy mouthed chicken finger eatin *** Nas off that ****.

 

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post #7276 of 13920
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laugh.gif Brah Please. You really gonna take this stance

And I never said it was cool. I said it was a bad look from the jump.

But it seems like for some folk it a crime against music for Drake to use someone else bars, but when other folk do it it is "part of the game"

And if Drake wasn't a rapper you hated would you be acting like you're acting?

Who is it part of the game for?

Does anyone take Eazy, Fat Joe, Puff, or Dr Dre serious as rappers?

Does anyone think Kanye is a top emcee?

-We know Jay used tons of Big's lyrics and we ignore it. Dude gets a flat pass for it

-A couple reference tracks means what for Drake? You don't consider him a legend? Fine, do you. You don't take him serious as an M (doubt you did before this anyway) but fine, do you. Congrats you have an opinion

-But you wanna dictate to others how they should view the guy. Hardly anyone has made an argument for Drake being legend, just that he is the best of the current generation. But dudes seemed to be rustled by ole boy's lyrics and a couple Sprite billboards.

-All I'm saying is that with all the foolishness I ignore from rappers. reference track ranks pretty follow. Especially since bar sharing seems to be common and always had

But I'm not allowed to reach that conclusion based off a few rumors, rappers interviews and articles, but it is cool for you to paint Drake as having never bar in his life like he is Puffy.

Whatever B laugh.gif

I'm over here drowning in your hypocrisy laugh.gif

-BTW; if any of my word rustle you, you can come see me: 84 Rainey Street, Arlen, Texas...... Ask for Hank

Edit: roll.gifroll.gif The Sprite ads do rustle you. Let it go B
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If the use of writers in hip-hop was so prevelant and everyone does it...why are we having this conversation?

If Jill Scott came out and said Rihanna doesn't write her music, it wouldn't be such a big debate, because we already know that practice is commonplace in that particular genre.

If it were the same for rap, this wouldn't be garnering so much attention and major radio stations wouldn't be having this same debate and asking people to call in and give their two cents.

The "how do we know everyone else isn't doing it" is like asking "well how do we know every actor wasn't dropping quaaludes in martinis in the 70s"?

There's a reason this subject is so taboo in hip-hop.

 

You just said it.  "WE" are having the conversation.  The Rappers and others that are actually in the game are not outraged right now.   Not one rapper interviewed about it even batted an eyelash at it lol.   Not one relevant rapper is behind meek on this one (save the conspiracy theories please >D).   Gunplay even said he's siding with Meek because he is his labelmate, but disagreed with Meek going at the writer thing.

 

Just because average joes are under the fantasy that their favorite songs are 100% pen and pad 100% of the time, doesnt make it true.  

There are things called industry practices, that are common to any industry.  These are things that are well known to people inside,and is what helps deliver the product, but arent talked about to consumers of that industry because well....its none of their concern.  And It takes the magic away from it. Its not a secret, but just on a Need-To-Know basis.   Theres alot of other things that go on in the industry besides collaborating on tracks and references that people would be suprised about also.   Sharing bars is not even a drop in the bucket.

 

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Like being the best player on the 76ers

laugh.gif let my generation live
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we dont respect greatness until its gone
just ask lebron

I respectfully disagree. I think it's the other way around. Like some are saying Bron is already a top 3-5 player of all time already.

Like Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Big O, Wilt, Bird etc. never existed. This is like putting Drake on a Campaign with Nas, Big and Rakim.
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Problem is Drake is a rapper yes, but at this point he's a Pop artist, so it almost doesn't matter anymore that he didn't write all of his stuff. I don't ever think of him as some ill lyricist, but dude make songs I can't stop listening to and that's a talent all on it's own. It's like Michael. He didn't write all his songs, but he was no doubt one of the best song makers of all time. It doesn't take anything away from him to me that he didn't write all his stuff. Now if it came out that Nas has ghostwriters and reference tracks that might hit me in the feels a little bit.

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Originally Posted by RustyShackleford View Post

-We know Jay used tons of Big's lyrics and we ignore it. Dude gets a flat pass for it

-A couple reference tracks means what for Drake? You don't consider him a legend? Fine, do you. You don't take him serious as an M (doubt you did before this anyway) but fine, do you. Congrats you have an opinion

-But you wanna dictate to others how they should view the guy. Hardly anyone has made an argument for Drake being legend, just that he is the best of the current generation. But dudes seemed to be rustled by ole boy's lyrics and a couple Sprite billboards.

-All I'm saying is that with all the foolishness I ignore from rappers. reference track ranks pretty follow. Especially since bar sharing seems to be common and always had

But I'm not allowed to reach that conclusion based off a few rumors, rappers interviews and articles, but it is cool for you to paint Drake as having never bar in his life like he is Puffy.

Whatever B laugh.gif

I'm over here drowning in your hypocrisy laugh.gif

-BTW; if any of my word rustle you, you can come see me: 84 Rainey Street, Arlen, Texas...... Ask for Hank

Jay used a ton?

How many albums and songs has he done laugh.gif And how has he gotten a pass when people like you try to bring it up. He does this every song? He uses entire verses of Biggie's? He's recreated Big's songs?

You're really reaching

Where's that Jay reference track? I'm sure there's a ton of money in it. Is Dame saying Jay did it too?
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I will say there is some hypocrisy like Rusty is saying. Jay gets a pass for all of Big's bars, and Prime Wayne gets a pass for that whole situation.

Maybe this will all be just a footnote for Drake, like it was for Hov and Wayne.
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Lupe made a long post about "getting help" and how rampant it is in rap, how it always has been.

We have a video of Ye helping Jay.

Ghostface admits Rae wrote verses for the whole Wu.

Drake never tried to hide the fact that he had people helping him.

The fact that no one within the industry is taking Meek's side kind of speaks to how prevalent it is.
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What sound barrier did he break? Will Smith, Andre 3000, Kanye, Nelly, etc. have done all of this. Heck, 3 6 Mafia won a Grammy in 2006. This is all a byproduct of fairweather observers who now want to profit off of hip hop. Just being rehashed...

Who wrote for Andre?

And don't say Big Boi, because early Dre did some for him.
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I respectfully disagree. I think it's the other way around. Like some are saying Bron is already a top 3-5 player of all time already.

Like Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Big O, Wilt, Bird etc. never existed. This is like putting Drake on a Campaign with Nas, Big and Rakim.

like i said we will praise bron and drake once they walk away from the game

 

 the cool thing to do is to hate on the best of this generation because we are witnessing it 

post #7286 of 13920
That ad is so disrespectful. I don't which company is worse when it comes to exploiting rap to target blacks. McDonalds or Sprite.
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Problem is Drake is a rapper yes, but at this point he's a Pop artist, so it almost doesn't matter anymore that he didn't write all of his stuff. I don't ever think of him as some ill lyricist, but dude make songs I can't stop listening to and that's a talent all on it's own. It's like Michael. He didn't write all his songs, but he was no doubt one of the best song makers of all time. It doesn't take anything away from him to me that he didn't write all his stuff. Now if it came out that Nas has ghostwriters and reference tracks that might hit me in the feels a little bit.


Totally understandable.  It would hurt Nas more because he was known for his pure lyricism.  No one is saying that he made the best songs ever :lol.  No one listens to Nas for his ear for beats lol.

 

Drake is judged differently because he is a different type of Artist.  He has other attributes besides pure lyricism, and still has bars when necessary. Why not just take dude for what he is?  I'm sure he isnt trying to be the best at being Jay or Nas.  Theres other artists that are following that path, but he is not.  Just like Pac and Big are totally different artists and are great for different reasons.  He is calling himself the best at what HE does.

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post #7288 of 13920

richard pryor had ghostwriters but hes still considered a great

 

but mike epps slandered kevin hart for having ghostwriters, people always hate on the current generations great

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"I say a BIG verse
I'm only biggin up my brother..."

Hov ain stealin bars.
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Originally Posted by REVmatic32 View Post

Lupe made a long post about "getting help" and how rampant it is in rap, how it always has been.

We have a video of Ye helping Jay.

Ghostface admits Rae wrote verses for the whole Wu.

Drake never tried to hide the fact that he had people helping him.

The fact that no one within the industry is taking Meek's side kind of speaks to how prevalent it is.

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Drake has never tried to hide it? He's came out and claimed he's writing songs that others have confirmed that they wrote. He's never admitted to using a ghost writer or anything. That's hiding it.

I don't think you guys understand how big of a deal a rapper using a reference track is. I have a friend that has written reference tracks for R&B singers and pop stars, even a couple of rappers. They basically write a whole damn song for you. That's the huge issue.

It's cool, keep listening to Drake and being a fan but don't insult rap music by acting like everyone is doing this.

Mad rappers have borrowed and flipped BIG and Pac lines, that's not new but reference songs mean.gif
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