AFRICAN HISTORY X

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No disrespect butt a lot of this 'blacks where egyptian kings' stuff is wrong. A lot of african american black people try to identify with it because it erases the stink of racism/slavery by implying that they 'were once kings'. African americans may have once been kings, but they probably didn't build the pyramids, if they did they where probably indentured to do so. The blacks where pharoahs rhetoric is mostly inacurate and just sets people back.
 
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No disrespect butt a lot of this 'blacks where egyptian kings' stuff is wrong. A lot of african american black people try to identify with it because it erases the stink of racism/slavery by implying that they 'were once kings'. African americans may have once been kings, but they probably didn't build the pyramids, if they did they where probably indentured to do so. The blacks where pharoahs rhetoric is mostly inacurate and just sets people back.
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If you read into it, Egyptians say they were the ancestors that inherited the culture. This includes the pyramids, sphinx etc. I believe the Egyptians from bible era and forward were aware that they were the ancestors of man in his prime and had since fallen.

As far as indentured service, miss me with that.

African Americans in America, not being from east Africa I'll give you that. Them not paying homage to kings And queens of the past?That would be the equivalent of someone in California not being able to take pride in the Statue of Liberty. It should be obvious a certain faction tries to fractionalize everything only to rebuild it with a European stamp and pass it off as their own.

Not trying to attack you, cause I do agree that a lot of these videos on YouTube work on the premise of pseudo enlightening principles, but to discredit these theories with little to no reason why makes me curious what you have to say.
 
If you read into it, Egyptians say they were the ancestors that inherited the culture. This includes the pyramids, sphinx etc. I believe the Egyptians from bible era and forward were aware that they were the ancestors of man in his prime and had since fallen.
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Was gonna mention this if I found some nice concise info. Never really got too far into it before, would love some good reading material on it.

My girls interested in learning about African culture after I showed her a few things, this thread came with perfect timing.
 
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bilboshmangins said:
No disrespect butt a lot of this 'blacks where egyptian kings' stuff is wrong. A lot of african american black people try to identify with it because it erases the stink of racism/slavery by implying that they 'were once kings'. African americans may have once been kings, but they probably didn't build the pyramids, if they did they where probably indentured to do so. The blacks where pharoahs rhetoric is mostly inacurate and just sets people back.
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If you read into it, Egyptians say they were the ancestors that inherited the culture. This includes the pyramids, sphinx etc. I believe the Egyptians from bible era and forward were aware that they were the ancestors of man in his prime and had since fallen.

As far as indentured service, miss me with that.

African Americans in America, not being from east Africa I'll give you that. Them not paying homage to kings And queens of the past?That would be the equivalent of someone in California not being able to take pride in the Statue of Liberty. It should be obvious a certain faction tries to fractionalize everything only to rebuild it with a European stamp and pass it off as their own.

Not trying to attack you, cause I do agree that a lot of these videos on YouTube work on the premise of pseudo enlightening principles, but to discredit these theories with little to no reason why makes me curious what you have to say.
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That's fair, and there may be some areas where my knowledge has gaps. But I think you did see my point, a lot of pseudo intellectualism in those videos. I say that because they were infact other african kingdoms that enjoyed a rich history but are undereported by western civilization. I just think its amateur hour when the first place that african americans look to to identify with being african is egypt.

As for my point about indeture, I said that 'probably'. It wasn't meant to diminish them but simply state the more likely facts. The egyptians got a lot of slave labor, and the pharoahs don't look like west africans.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_I_of_Mali
 
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RIP sleazyy said:
Was gonna mention this if I found some nice concise info. Never really got too far into it before, would love some good reading material on it.

My girls interested in learning about African culture after I showed her a few things, this thread came with perfect timing.
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It's a fun path to dig down Into. The only things is it goes against everything conventional history says, which is mostly BS anyways. But with that said, you have to form a lot of your own opinions because the research on it is alternative in the sense that "conventional" scholars would disagree.

For example, the sphinx has water/rain erosion on it. This alone completely undermines what Europeans have presented as world history. It would suggest at the earliest modern humans have been around for 10,000> Years.

Also wanna point out, all other ancient cultures fall under archaeology but for some reason egyptology needed a focused study of its own? I'll let people from their own conclusions.
 
bilboshmangins said:
That's fair, and there may be some areas where my knowledge has gaps. But I think you did see my point, a lot of pseudo intellectualism in those videos. I say that because they were infact other african kingdoms that enjoyed a rich history but are undereported by western civilization. I just think its amateur hour when the first place that african americans look to to identify with being african is egypt.

As for my point about indeture, I said that 'probably'. It wasn't meant to diminish them but simply state the more likely facts. The egyptians got a lot of slave labor, and the pharoahs don't look like west africans.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_I_of_Mali
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I def see your point. It grinds my gears when the "new conscious" brothers "awaken" and wanna bring Egypt back. If you really think that we built the pyramids, do you think a primitive people in caves that you gave civilization brought down your society?

With that said, I do understand why there's a grasp for this reach in the past. When your whole history and culture has been stolen from you, only to be retooled and tell you that you're fathers fathers father was a slave, it can be overbearing on the psyche and force you to think that in modern terms that's all you're capable of. Mix that in with constant programming that the only way out is a jump shot or microphone and you have a population of people trying to find something looking back in the mirror.
 
hallywoodxo said:
If you read into it, Egyptians say they were the ancestors that inherited the culture. This includes the pyramids, sphinx etc. I believe the Egyptians from bible era and forward were aware that they were the ancestors of man in his prime and had since fallen.

As far as indentured service, miss me with that.

African Americans in America, not being from east Africa I'll give you that. Them not paying homage to kings And queens of the past?That would be the equivalent of someone in California not being able to take pride in the Statue of Liberty. It should be obvious a certain faction tries to fractionalize everything only to rebuild it with a European stamp and pass it off as their own.

Not trying to attack you, cause I do agree that a lot of these videos on YouTube work on the premise of pseudo enlightening principles, but to discredit these theories with little to no reason why makes me curious what you have to say.
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what about the evidence of giants? I think they're the most likely candidates for monument builders.

There are bones, biblical and historical accounts etc.

Now what race the giants were is another story.
 
Wr said:
what about the evidence of giants? I think they're the most likely candidates for monument builders.

There are bones, biblical and historical accounts etc.

Now what race the giants were is another story.
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I've gotta do more research on the giants. There's a lot of conflicting theories out there. There's also stuff that says the first African is millions of years old. If modern human predate giants, and were still around then I think it's safe to presume the pyramids are ours since that's whose depicted in them.
That's my hypothesis. With little to no research to back it up at the moment.

As dope as the pyramids are, I think they were left behind for a reason. The vibration/frequency/density was literally a different reality.

On another topic, if you really dig deep enough no one in Africa claims "African Americans"
The dogon say we come from the sirius constellation.
 
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hallywoodxo said:
I've gotta do more research on the giants. There's a lot of conflicting theories out there. There's also stuff that says the first African is millions of years old. If modern human predate giants, and were still around then I think it's safe to presume the pyramids are ours since that's whose depicted in them.
That's my hypothesis. With little to no research to back it up at the moment.

As dope as the pyramids are, I think they were left behind for a reason. The vibration/frequency/density was literally a different reality.
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the bible and other stories speak about the giants and men mating.
 
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the bible and other stories speak about the giants and men mating.
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Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
 
Cool thread.

I don't really have anything to contribute, but I'll gladly stick around and absorb all the information shared.
 
I always interpreted the talk of giants as people that were of very large stature.

I think of them as being around 7' instead of 2 stories tall which is what most people think when they hear "giant".
 
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This principle states that, as a shape grows in size, its volume grows faster than its area. When applied to the real world this principle has many implications which are important in fields ranging from mechanical engineering to biomechanics. It helps explain phenomena including why large mammals like elephants have a harder time cooling themselves than small ones like mice, and why building taller and taller skyscrapers is increasingly difficult.

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To quote from Haldane's seminal essay On Being the Right Size, "...consider a man 60 feet high...Giant Pope and Giant Pagan in the illustrated Pilgrim's Progress.... These monsters...weighed 1000 times as much as Christian. Every square inch of a giant bone had to support 10 times the weight borne by a square inch of human bone. As the human thigh-bone breaks under about 10 times the human weight, Pope and Pagan would have broken their thighs every time they took a step."

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i would agree that "giant" is a description relative to the average height at the time. it's proven that early civilizations were shorter in size, so a giant could have very well been an abnormally tall person for their time.

speaking of context, the best book i've read regarding african history is dr. ivan van sertima's they came before columbus. i know everyone isn't going to read a whole book based on a recommendation, so i'll post some passages if anyone is interested. very extensive, detailed history on african travel of north and south americas, as well as within africa. he makes a strong case that africans were part of the olmecs (first mexican civilization), and details the racial makeup of ancient egypt by dynasty. really great stuff.

as far as egyptian history goes, i too have grown tired of its overexposure. especially in light of the rich history of africa... to cling to egypt as the end all be all of our history is to overlook the african community that once was. in the days of ancient empires, africa worked as one. it wasn't as divided as we see it now, between sub-saharan, north and east africa. pyramids, mummification and hieroglyphics have all been found in several countries outside egypt, sudan being one. people from all of africa would meet at the nile and exchange cultural customs. egypt ended up being the most impressive, but they did not act alone.

yet and still, i can't blame any african-american for using ancient egypt as a source of empowerment. aside from us first and second generation kids, we know nothing about our true ancestry. regardless of if a man is of egyptian or zimbabwean descent, he is still the son of kings. africans are the first man and a mighty people by nature. if egypt will be the conduit to us gaining that collective knowledge of self, so be it.

i want to see this thread flourish during black history month. i'd love to see all races engage in a discussion here... it kills me to see a small circle of people in the know sharing knowledge with each other. let's open some horizons and try to unravel some western conditioning.
 
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